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raylawpc wrote:

bennie wrote:

raylawpc wrote: This is a great article, and I agree with 100% of it. I see work in corners today and just shake my head.

The problem is: Learning to be a good cornerman IS on-the-job training. There is no school you can go to to learn to be a cornerman. You have to learn by working with great cornermen - kind of like an apprenticeship. I learned by working with good cornermen. When a Carlos Ortiz, Mando Ramos, Oscar Bonavena (strike that; I stayed away from his corner - they were as nuts as he was), Ken Norton, Ron Lyle, etc. came to town, I always volunteered to help out in their corners. I watched their cornermen, and I learned. After the fight, I'd ask questions about the things I saw them do, and the instructions they gave the fighter. Almost to a man (there was one notable exception), they were happy to answer my questions and give me advice. They saw that I was trying to learn, and they were very accommodating. Sadly, today there are no good ones to learn from.

Tom, you can't just leave it there; tell us who the stroppy trainer was?

Bobby Lewis, Ron Lyle's trainer. Lyle was no ray of sunshine either, but he was going through a rough spot in his career.

Cheers, Tom.

Mosley loses title belts in divorce

Not only has Shane Mosley been on the losing end of his latest boxing matches, he is also losing the fight in the courtroom as well. Per TMZ Sports, Mosley’s ex-wife Jin Mosley will be awarded 3 championship belts as part of their divorce settlement. Ouch. Here are some details:

The settlement provides that ex-wife Jin “shall maintain custody and control of three championship belts for each of the respective parties’ three minor children.” Each of the kids get a belt when they turn 18.

And Jin will get half of Sugar Shane’s cut of profits from videotapes and DVDs of his big fights, including bouts with Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Fernando Vargas.

Since the divorce was filed in California and community property rules apply, Jin gets half of Sugar Shane’s fight purses during their marriage.

Shane Mosley won’t have to split the $3mil he pocketed for his sparring match fight with Manny Pacquiao as the fight took place after the 2009 split, so there’s a small silver lining to an overall disappointing judgement. Not to mention the 21-year-old bombshell Bella Gonzalez that Shane has bagged, so I think Shane is sleeping well. Or not at all, depending on how you look at it.

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I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

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Sammy Davis, Sugar Ray and the golden years of Harlem: the making of Jimmy Williams

Rick Farris wrote: I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

The rules surrounding divorces in the U.S seems pretty damn dumb and devoid of common sense from where im sitting...

The sad part is that he will probably one day lose his last $ to some other golddigger and survive solely on hoarding sandwiches at GSBA meetings.... maybe to harsh and ranting here, but this just is for the lack of a better word wack! When will these star athletes and other rich and famous get it, get a prenub!

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Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

The rules surrounding divorces in the U.S seems pretty damn dumb and devoid of common sense from where im sitting...

The sad part is that he will probably one day lose his last $ to some other golddigger and survive solely on hoarding sandwiches at GSBA meetings.... maybe to harsh and ranting here, but this just is for the lack of a better word wack! When will these star athletes and other rich and famous get it, get a prenub!

Exactly so. The idea is to be a kept man not a keeper
Pre-nups?

Boxing at California State Prison, Chino, California--1952

kikibalt wrote:

Boxing at California State Prison, Chino, California--1952

No mas. No boxing or boxing equipment allowed in California State Prisons today.

Rick Farris wrote:Mosley loses title belts in divorce

Not only has Shane Mosley been on the losing end of his latest boxing matches, he is also losing the fight in the courtroom as well. Per TMZ Sports, Mosley’s ex-wife Jin Mosley will be awarded 3 championship belts as part of their divorce settlement. Ouch. Here are some details:

The settlement provides that ex-wife Jin “shall maintain custody and control of three championship belts for each of the respective parties’ three minor children.” Each of the kids get a belt when they turn 18.

And Jin will get half of Sugar Shane’s cut of profits from videotapes and DVDs of his big fights, including bouts with Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Fernando Vargas.

Since the divorce was filed in California and community property rules apply, Jin gets half of Sugar Shane’s fight purses during their marriage.

Shane Mosley won’t have to split the $3mil he pocketed for his sparring match fight with Manny Pacquiao as the fight took place after the 2009 split, so there’s a small silver lining to an overall disappointing judgement. Not to mention the 21-year-old bombshell Bella Gonzalez that Shane has bagged, so I think Shane is sleeping well. Or not at all, depending on how you look at it.

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I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

This falls under the category of "OUTRAGE" when a man could work so hard for something so personal and some broad can take it away on a whim, aided and abetted by some idiot judge who thinks he's doing the right thing. There is something so wrong with that picture.

Women, can't live with them, can't kill them

kikibalt wrote:

Boxing at California State Prison, Chino, California--1952

Frank, that is a cool photo. You always come up with some really good pics.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: Frank, I have a confident, qualified challenger to Manuel's title.
And he has a qualified trainer, who knows Manuel's effects upon gringos.
I'm not only the Ray Arcel of cornermen on Evergreen Street, I gotta SUV that can double as a Jimmy Montoya meat wagon.

We're ready for Anything! . . .

Actually, the back of my SUV where we'd have to stretch out a body might fall a bit short of 6'6"?
Tom, I know you are going to win, but just in case, do you mind if your legs hang out the back window?
I have rear window that flips open, might be a God send? It's just a short 20 minute return trip to The Lodge.
Be sure to let me know ahead of time if you feel sick. I'll cover cab fare, amigo.

Tom, I honestly think we need to bring in Randy as an "Advisor", "Conditioning coach", "Voice in the corner".
As a fellow gringo, who once fought & won in ELA (I beat a kid named Carlos at the Boy's Club, not a monster named "Manuel" at Tepeyac).
I will be there for you. But you need a Homie in your corner.
Randy was born in Boyle Heights, and Randy kicked Manuel's ass, and then kicked half of his ass again just to make a point.
Me? Last time out I lost a decision to Kid Hollenbeck.

Remy will defeat Hollenbeck, I guarantee it, and he'll likely show off by topping off a taco or two as well? (Kinda like when Vic Ortiz won the title )
Remy will do anything to disguise the shame of bowing to "Manuel", as he did right before entering the "championship rounds", last month.
I'm Remy's US rep. We'll take on any West Coast burrito. We are open to face any El Tepeyac Burrito, except for one named "Manuel".
We been there, done that. As Roberto Duran once said, "No mas!" ;;-)

Always thinking of those whose "tabels" I work.
The "Burrito Eaters" I rep are the best in the world! One is known throughout Scandanavia as the "Pride of Norway"

My old pal, the late great Steve Wallace, who was a champion eater himself, believed that the best way to prepare for a super challenging meal was to stuff yourself early the day before and really stretch that stomach out and than eat nothing until the big meal, of course he died of a heart attack in 2000 at the age of 50 so I don't know how much stock you can put into his advice. I have always had the opposite view, give the stomach a rest before chowing down on a super meal. Kind of like no sparring a day or two before a fight. That would be my advice.

Frank, how did everything turn out? How're you feeling? Inquiring friends want to know!

CNorkusJr wrote:Here you go Rick.
Myself with Teddy Atlas, my brother in-law Paul Bluemke, Hvywt Vinny Maddalone
At a Ring 8 meeting just a couple of months ago.
Paul will be flying out with his family to the HOF dinner next year.
This photo was taken just a month or two after Vinny fought Thomas adamek on HBO ,I believe. Adamek by KO. Vinny is still training and might have a fight sceduled soon.
Vinny also sits on the Ring 8 trustee Bd and attends meeting regularly.

Teddy Atlas this night was special guest speaker talking about training habits of fighters he had, dished some dirt on the various ABC's title belts and their orgs, and the state of boxing today from a TV analyst point of view. Great and informative.

Nice photo Charlie, I have always liked Teddy as a trainer and a commentator. You're in good company.

Thanks Randy, Rick and Bennie. Bennie I'm not sure what the "man utd" stands for.
I dont know if its an English slang abreviation or if I'm old and getting slow at things.

I can tell you that Teddy Atlas is a very opinionated person about the sport.You dont need to ask him questions to draw him out on something. He makes sense of his reasoning, but I wouldnt be too surprised if the various orgs (WBA<WBC<IBF etc,etc) might have it up to here with him eventually and the networks might too. He made no references to the networks, but the orgs control alot of whats seen on TV, and not the other way around. Teddy even stated that. I think he is brilliant boxing strategist and analysist but must becareful of stepped on toes. Or maybe he doesnt care.
I dont know what buttered side of the bread pays him more.

In reading one of Danny Nardico's obituarys not long ago, I thought I read that he was working in prison system (and not as an inmate) but as a correction officer. My father told me that he was working in a prison up near San Francisco somewhere after his career ended.
His obit had him training inmates boxing in Arizona at one time, I think it said.

Either way, I give Danny credit for getting a very good job in the service of others after his career- a tough job at that. He must have been pleased that he found an outlet to keep him busy in a sport that he loved.

The prison picture above is what made me think of this post.

Rick Farris wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

The rules surrounding divorces in the U.S seems pretty damn dumb and devoid of common sense from where im sitting...

The sad part is that he will probably one day lose his last $ to some other golddigger and survive solely on hoarding sandwiches at GSBA meetings.... maybe to harsh and ranting here, but this just is for the lack of a better word wack! When will these star athletes and other rich and famous get it, get a prenub!

Exactly so. The idea is to be a kept man not a keeper
Pre-nups?

Donald Trump- hate him or love him, me I dont care- had an article on divorces in the paper here a little while back.

He said that a pre-nup is worth crap. He went on to say "that a woman signs a pre-nup, but is not fully aware of her future husbands holdings. Since she is not living with him and has no rights to see what he has in assets, he could be showing her nothing of his real assets."
He said" the trick is to get her to sign a) a pre-nup and most important b) a post-nup"
In court he said " a divorce attorney for him can argue that since a man and wife were living together, she has more of a tendacy with abilities to know what her husband might have- especially as the marriage gets longer and longer.
A pre-nup coupled with a post-nup (signed after the marriage, with asset restrictions) is an essential lock on keeping most of the items. A pre-nup can be argued almost useless in court he said. He said to find out about what each state says about pre and post nups first.

Open golf weather here - wet and windy.

CNorkusJr wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Panzerfaust wrote: The rules surrounding divorces in the U.S seems pretty damn dumb and devoid of common sense from where im sitting...

The sad part is that he will probably one day lose his last $ to some other golddigger and survive solely on hoarding sandwiches at GSBA meetings.... maybe to harsh and ranting here, but this just is for the lack of a better word wack! When will these star athletes and other rich and famous get it, get a prenub!

Exactly so. The idea is to be a kept man not a keeper
Pre-nups?

Donald Trump- hate him or love him, me I dont care- had an article on divorces in the paper here a little while back.

He said that a pre-nup is worth crap. He went on to say "that a woman signs a pre-nup, but is not fully aware of her future husbands holdings. Since she is not living with him and has no rights to see what he has in assets, he could be showing her nothing of his real assets."
He said" the trick is to get her to sign a) a pre-nup and most important b) a post-nup"
In court he said " a divorce attorney for him can argue that since a man and wife were living together, she has more of a tendacy with abilities to know what her husband might have- especially as the marriage gets longer and longer.
A pre-nup coupled with a post-nup (signed after the marriage, with asset restrictions) is an essential lock on keeping most of the items. A pre-nup can be argued almost useless in court he said. He said to find out about what each state says about pre and post nups first.

When Donald Trump was thinking clearly, this is what he said about prenups . . .
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Donald Trump Slams McCartney for Neglecting Prenup - August 27th, 2010

DONALD TRUMP has slammed SIR PAUL MCCARTNEY for neglecting to sign a prenuptial agreement before marrying his now estranged wife HEATHER MILLS. The tycoon sympathises with the Beatle. He writes in his new book Think Big and Kick As, “I watched Larry King before they were married and Larry said ‘Sir Paul, are you going to have a prenuptial agreement?’ “Paul said, ‘I don’t want one because we’re deeply in love’. I thought, ‘What a mistake. This guy is a schmuck’.” Trump, 61, who paid out $30 million (GBP15 million) to two former wives adds, “Get a prenuptial agreement. Don’t believe me? Ask Paul MCCartney what he thinks.”

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Mosley loses title belts in divorce

Not only has Shane Mosley been on the losing end of his latest boxing matches, he is also losing the fight in the courtroom as well. Per TMZ Sports, Mosley’s ex-wife Jin Mosley will be awarded 3 championship belts as part of their divorce settlement. Ouch. Here are some details:

The settlement provides that ex-wife Jin “shall maintain custody and control of three championship belts for each of the respective parties’ three minor children.” Each of the kids get a belt when they turn 18.

And Jin will get half of Sugar Shane’s cut of profits from videotapes and DVDs of his big fights, including bouts with Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Fernando Vargas.

Since the divorce was filed in California and community property rules apply, Jin gets half of Sugar Shane’s fight purses during their marriage.

Shane Mosley won’t have to split the $3mil he pocketed for his sparring match fight with Manny Pacquiao as the fight took place after the 2009 split, so there’s a small silver lining to an overall disappointing judgement. Not to mention the 21-year-old bombshell Bella Gonzalez that Shane has bagged, so I think Shane is sleeping well. Or not at all, depending on how you look at it.

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I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

This falls under the category of "OUTRAGE" when a man could work so hard for something so personal and some broad can take it away on a whim, aided and abetted by some idiot judge who thinks he's doing the right thing. There is something so wrong with that picture.

Women, can't live with them, can't kill them

Fact is, you guys and Shane Mosley live in a community property state. In a community property state, the spouse gets 1/2 of anything earned by the other spouse during the marriage in the event of a divorce. Typically, the judge would have ordered the Mosley's to sell the belts (how do you split belts?) and split the proceeds, so I suspect that portion of the divorce settlement was negotiated by the parties.

In most common law states (like Missouri), Shane would have kept his belts.

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: Exactly so. The idea is to be a kept man not a keeper
Pre-nups?

Donald Trump- hate him or love him, me I dont care- had an article on divorces in the paper here a little while back.

He said that a pre-nup is worth crap. He went on to say "that a woman signs a pre-nup, but is not fully aware of her future husbands holdings. Since she is not living with him and has no rights to see what he has in assets, he could be showing her nothing of his real assets."
He said" the trick is to get her to sign a) a pre-nup and most important b) a post-nup"
In court he said " a divorce attorney for him can argue that since a man and wife were living together, she has more of a tendacy with abilities to know what her husband might have- especially as the marriage gets longer and longer.
A pre-nup coupled with a post-nup (signed after the marriage, with asset restrictions) is an essential lock on keeping most of the items. A pre-nup can be argued almost useless in court he said. He said to find out about what each state says about pre and post nups first.

When Donal Trump was thinking clearly, this is what he said about prenups . . .
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Donald Trump Slams McCartney for Neglecting Prenup - August 27th, 2010

DONALD TRUMP has slammed SIR PAUL MCCARTNEY for neglecting to sign a prenuptial agreement before marrying his now estranged wife HEATHER MILLS. The tycoon sympathises with the Beatle. He writes in his new book Think Big and Kick As, “I watched Larry King before they were married and Larry said ‘Sir Paul, are you going to have a prenuptial agreement?’ “Paul said, ‘I don’t want one because we’re deeply in love’. I thought, ‘What a mistake. This guy is a schmuck’.” Trump, 61, who paid out $30 million (GBP15 million) to two former wives adds, “Get a prenuptial agreement. Don’t believe me? Ask Paul MCCartney what he thinks.”

Of course, the effectiveness of a pre-nup depends on the law of your state, but if something happened to Linda and I remarried, I wouldn't do it without getting the second wife to sign a pre-nup prepared by a competent matrimonial lawyer and reviewed by an estate lawyer.

raylawpc wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Mosley loses title belts in divorce

Not only has Shane Mosley been on the losing end of his latest boxing matches, he is also losing the fight in the courtroom as well. Per TMZ Sports, Mosley’s ex-wife Jin Mosley will be awarded 3 championship belts as part of their divorce settlement. Ouch. Here are some details:

The settlement provides that ex-wife Jin “shall maintain custody and control of three championship belts for each of the respective parties’ three minor children.” Each of the kids get a belt when they turn 18.

And Jin will get half of Sugar Shane’s cut of profits from videotapes and DVDs of his big fights, including bouts with Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto and Fernando Vargas.

Since the divorce was filed in California and community property rules apply, Jin gets half of Sugar Shane’s fight purses during their marriage.

Shane Mosley won’t have to split the $3mil he pocketed for his sparring match fight with Manny Pacquiao as the fight took place after the 2009 split, so there’s a small silver lining to an overall disappointing judgement. Not to mention the 21-year-old bombshell Bella Gonzalez that Shane has bagged, so I think Shane is sleeping well. Or not at all, depending on how you look at it.

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I think it's great that the kids will one day each have a title belt. However, Shane won those belts.
As a father and a champion should it not be his right to give them to the kids himself, if he so chooses?
I just have issues with the abuse of a father's rights. To common in this country.
Give the ***** his money, but the belts he won with his blood & sweat.

This falls under the category of "OUTRAGE" when a man could work so hard for something so personal and some broad can take it away on a whim, aided and abetted by some idiot judge who thinks he's doing the right thing. There is something so wrong with that picture.

Women, can't live with them, can't kill them

Fact is, you guys and Shane Mosley live in a community property state. In a community property state, the spouse gets 1/2 of anything earned by the other spouse during the marriage in the event of a divorce. Typically, the judge would have ordered the Mosley's to sell the belts (how do you split belts?) and split the proceeds, so I suspect that portion of the divorce settlement was negotiated by the parties.

In most common law states (like Missouri), Shane would have kept his belts.

California is a great place to live if you are a "kept man". Connie will not divorce me because if she did she would have to support me in the way I am accustom to living....

California is a great place to live if you are a "kept man". Connie will not divorce me because if she did she would have to support me in the way I am accustom to living....
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Frank is the "King of kept men"!

Rick Farris wrote:California is a great place to live if you are a "kept man". Connie will not divorce me because if she did she would have to support me in the way I am accustom to living....
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Frank is the "King of kept men"!

My hero

My mother's house in Spring Valley Lake is in escrow right now. She'll finally be moving back "down the hill" as they say. Jeri and I will be up there this weekend packing and putting stuff in storage and preparing for the move. We'll be leaving i about an hour. Looking forward to having her back with us on a regular basis.

Randyman wrote:Frank, how did everything turn out? How're you feeling? Inquiring friends want to know!

Waiting for results from one heart test, have to do some more....the thing is that they won't be done till Aug. 2 because USC U. Hospital is just too busy...

Randyman wrote:My mother's house in Spring Valley Lake is in escrow right now. She'll finally be moving back "down the hill" as they say. Jeri and I will be up there this weekend packing and putting stuff in storage and preparing for the move. We'll be leaving i about an hour. Looking forward to having her back with us on a regular basis.