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USA- 1
Japan- 1

Now into overtime.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:USA- 2
Japan- 1

Now into overtime.

Japan wins in double over time.
Very good game, however. USA has a great team!
Japan-

I don't care who wins, I just like Hope Solo...

The Return of "El Carnero" . . .

Remy "The Ram" Damlien will return Southern California and take on a Japanese challenger in North Hollywood.
After being out-gutted by a "Manuel's Special" at El Tepeyak in ELA, Damlien will take on a smaller opponent, but one that might prove equally damaging to the confident Norwegian. "Tokyo Delve's" in NoHo offers a sushi roll so hot, that it will not charge anybody who can eat the whole thing. A picture also goes on the wall, lots of celebration. Once again, Damlien showed his opponent no respect, so we'll see how he fares around the same time Tom Ray steps in with Manuel. Remy will likely go after a Kid Hollenbeck on the undercard of Tom's challenge, and take on the Sushi Roll a couple days later. That is what his management is suggesting.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:USA- 2
Japan- 1

Now into overtime.

Japan wins in double over time.
Very good game, however. USA has a great team!
Japan-

Well, at least we've won it twice before. If we had to lose, it's good to lose to a first-time winner, and nice for Japan which has suffered so much this year.

George Parnassus and Ceferino Garcia --- In the Deep Depression
The Telegraph Herald
November 3, 1938.

Troubles Pile Up on Pilot of Ceferino Garcia Lately
by Gayle Talbot


The one who is suffering most from the postponement of the Armstrong – Garcia championship fight to November 25 is George Parnassus, Garcia's manager, who is totally surrounded by hungry Filipinos.

Parnassus thought he had a headache two nights ago when Armstrong came down with a lame back, but he didn't then know the extent of the calamity. He was so busy worrying about the postponement that he didn't give the hungry Filipinos a thought until they descended upon him in a body at his hotel, where he was getting in a little troubled sleep.

Thirteen Lost

There were 13 of them. They had motored all the way here from California into ancient vehicles just to watch their hero and countrymen, Garcia, win the welterweight championship from Armstrong. They were running short of money, they informed Parnassus, and what was he going to do about it?

Parnassus suggested, without much hope, that they motor right on back to California while they still have gasoline money. This brought expressions of pain to 13 Filipino faces. They had come here to see Ceferino win the title, their leader explained, patiently, and they didn't mind waiting until November 25.

Although they didn't say so in so many words, it was made clear to Parnassus, a sad faced Greek, that he would be expected to play host to most of Garcia's rooters until he got Ceferino in the same ring with Armstrong. The lettuce-picking season doesn't start back home for some months, it seems, so there is plenty of time.

Fresh out of Dough

What makes matters worse is that Parnassus, himself, is fresh out of spending money. Except in rare cases, fight managers never have money. They live almost exclusively on the cuff, borrowing from their favorite promoter against future fights. Parnassus is strictly a union man in disrespect.

"Here I'm wondering how Ceferino and I are going to eat and train for another month, and now these 13 Filipinos pile in on me," he whaled as he paced the doctor's outer room, waiting for the latest report on Armstrong's condition.

"I can't send these guys home. I spent an hour this morning finding a cheap place for them to live, but I still don't know how I'm going to pay for it. Maybe I can get the boxing commission to give me Armstrong's $2000 forfeit until he is ready to fight."

Gabe Terronez, Fresno native, who passed away last week....

Almost five decades later, boxer Davey Moore's death still resonates

The featherweight champion's death after a 1963 bout at Dodger Stadium prompted Bob Dylan to take boxing to task in his song 'Who Killed Davey Moore?' This month, Sports Illustrated rated it the best sports song of all time.
Davey Moore



Davey Moore, left, trades punches with Sugar Ramos during the first round of a featherweight title bout at Dodger Stadium in 1963. Moore fell into a coma after the fight and died three days later. (Associated Press / March 21, 1963)

By Jerry Crowe

July 17, 2011

Davey Moore may be gone, but he's not forgotten.

Longtime boxing fans remember him as a featherweight champion who fell into a coma shortly after losing his title in a bout at Dodger Stadium in March 1963, and died three days later.

Pop music fans remember him as the ghostly presence in Bob Dylan's anti-boxing harangue, "Who Killed Davey Moore?"

And Moore's 75-year-old widow, Geraldine, remembers him as a hardworking provider and loving husband and father.

"We got along famously," she says.

She's tickled that her late husband's name reentered the public consciousness this month when Sports Illustrated ranked Dylan's accusatory ballad, in which several characters deny their culpability in Moore's death, as the No. 1 sports song of all time.

She calls it "not such a bad song" but also admits, "I really didn't listen to it that much. I kind of avoid stuff like that."

She's grateful, however, for anything that keeps her late husband's memory alive, such as a statue in his hometown of Springfield, Ohio, that sits in storage while backers work to raise the last $30,000 needed to have it bronzed.

Moore would be the first athlete and first African American so honored in Springfield, notes Tom Archdeacon, a Dayton Daily News sports columnist leading a push to secure the funding.

"But it's hard times in the Rust Belt," Archdeacon says.

Moore was well known in Springfield — and far beyond — even before Dylan wrote about his final bout, of course.

His match against Cuban émigré Sugar Ramos was part of the only fight card ever staged at Dodger Stadium, a "Carnival of Champions" tripleheader of world-championship bouts that drew a crowd of more than 25,000.

"It was a hell of a fight," says John Hall, a former Times boxing writer and sports columnist. "Both guys punched each other around and, up to the last minute, Davey kept coming back."

In the 10th round, however, the 29-year-old champion was knocked to the canvas for the second time, the back of his head snapping against the bottom rope.

The referee stopped the fight before the 11th round.

Afterward, a lucid Moore met with reporters for 40 minutes, telling them, "It just wasn't my night," and vowing revenge.

Then he fell unconscious.

"He was in control of himself right up until the time he passed out," Hall says. "It was really a shocking, awful thing, the way he went out. Nobody had any idea he was that badly hurt."

Doctors later said that swelling in his injured brain stem sent Moore into a coma. He never awakened.

In death, Moore left behind three daughters and two sons, impetus for boxing to install safer ropes and grist for a "searing indictment of the fight game," as Sports Illustrated described Dylan's song, introduced only weeks after the fight.

"Who killed Davey Moore?" Dylan sings. "Why and what's the reason for?" A series of characters — the referee, the boxing fan, the manager, the gambler, the sportswriter, the opponent — all sing, "No, you can't blame me at all."

The All Music Guide called it "one of Bob Dylan's absolute worst songs," reviewer Stewart Mason noting, "Boxing is corrupt and violent? Who knew?" And Dylan didn't include it on an official release until nearly 30 years later.

In Ohio, Moore's widow paid the song little mind.

Six weeks after her husband's death, she took a government job arranged for her by then-Ohio Gov. Jim Rhodes.

"Naturally, you're sad and you miss your husband, and the children miss their dad," she says, "but you just have to move on. You can't just die because he died. . . .

"My mother and dad stepped right in and helped me with the children and I took that job and didn't look back."

Thirty-two years later, her children all grown, she retired. Briefly remarried in the early 1970s, she is matriarch of a family that includes nine grandchildren and 20 great-grandchildren.

"And sometime this fall," she says from her apartment in Springfield, "I'll have my first great-great-grandchild."

Who killed Davey Moore?

She doesn't point fingers.

"I can't blame boxing for my husband's death," she says. "Boxing made us a good living when he was alive, and he loved it."

Maybe Dylan does too.

He told Rolling Stone that boxing was his favorite form of exercise and, according to Los Angeles magazine, the rock bard owns a secret fight club beneath a Santa Monica coffee shop where he once was knocked down by actress Gina Gershon.

One of his earliest songs, "I Shall Be Free No. 10," includes the lines, "I was shadow boxin' early in the day/I figured I was ready for Cassius Clay." And another, "Hurricane," is a powerful protest song that tells the tale of Rubin "Hurricane" Carter, a falsely imprisoned former middleweight contender.

Archdeacon, the Dayton newspaperman, laid all this out in a column when Dylan's tour stopped in Dayton two summers ago, hoping to appeal to the singer's sensibilities.

He envisioned Dylan opening his wallet for Moore's statue.

"I was hoping he'd see it and say, 'Here's $30,000,'" Archdeacon notes. "But that didn't happen."

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It was said that Davey Moore was a good family man, but he also loved the women.
I heard a rumor that Moore's wife was angered by her husband's running around, and hit him in the head with a baseball bat?
Did Moore have a cerbral injury due to this incident? One that led to his death?
I'm not clear on this, and I have nothing substantuate this story. Does anybody else?

Rick Farris wrote:It was said that Davey Moore was a good family man, but he also loved the women.
I heard a rumor that Moore's wife was angered by her husband's running around, and hit him in the head with a baseball bat?
Did Moore have a cerbral injury due to this incident? One that led to his death?
I'm not clear on this, and I have nothing substantuate this story. Does anybody else?

This is first time I have heard of such thing happening.....that not to say it didn't happened, just that I had never heard of it.....

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:It was said that Davey Moore was a good family man, but he also loved the women.
I heard a rumor that Moore's wife was angered by her husband's running around, and hit him in the head with a baseball bat?
Did Moore have a cerbral injury due to this incident? One that led to his death?
I'm not clear on this, and I have nothing substantuate this story. Does anybody else?

This is first time I have heard of such thing happening.....that not to say it didn't happened, just that I had never heard of it.....

Davey Moore & Willie Ketchum . . .

I heard it on a couple occasions from different sources. They were close to Moore, and it seemed to be known by quite a few?
I should ask Eddie Foy III. He worked with Willie Ketchum in the Moore camp. It is no secret Ketchum really robbed the family of Moore's cut of the purse. Aileen Eaton held a benefit fight card to help the family.
Mel Epstein despised Ketchum as an example of the lowest form of humanity, he did business with Blinky Palermo and Frankie Carbo.
I know that Teddy Bentham trained Moore for Willie Ketchum.
I remember in the early to mid-70's, I'd see Willie Ketchum everyday at the Main Street Gym. At the time he handled Jose Luis Garcia and Renato Garcia.

I remember Mel liked Ketchum's middleweight prospect, Renato Garcia.
"Now there is a hard working young guy with good haircut," he'd say. "Too bad he's tied to that crook!"
Garcia was about my age, turned pro a couple years after I did. I remember he went unbeaten for a couple years until they matched him with Emile Griffith. He lost to Griffith in ten rounds and after that became a club fighter.
He was a friendly guy, polite. I remember when he came to LA from Chile.

Renato Garcia

Renato Garcia loses by a hair . . .

The photos Frank posted above explain the downward path of Renato Garcia (as per Mel Epstein's logic).
In the lower photo, one I know to be taken when Garcia was 21, he had a "Mel Epstein approved" haircut.
In the cover photo from the magazine, he's older and has longer hair. He was unable to beat top fighters.
Mel's logic: short hair-long career, long hair-short career.

On this night at The Forum, I had long hair and lost. Garcia had short hair and won.
Don't think Mel didn't point this out to me more than once. Hafey has short hair he wins, Chacon has short hair and he wins.
To be accurate, my hair was no longer than Armando Muniz, Olivares in the 70's, the Baltazar's, etc.
When I met Olivares I was standing right besides Mel. I says to him, "Hey, look at his hair, it's longer than mine."
Mel just looked right thru me glaring. He then turned to his side and began mumbling to his invisable friend . . .
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The Forum- Inglewood, California - July 10, 1972

Armando Muniz W Prince Jimmy Hamm TKO 2 10
Moi Sanchez W Rick Farris PTS 6 6
Lou Blades W Rosario Zavala PTS 6 6
Renato Garcia W Agapito Villegas PTS 4 4

Rick Farris wrote:On this night at The Forum, I had long hair and lost. Garcia had short hair and won.
Don't think Mel didn't point this out to me more than once. Hafey has short hair he wins, Chacon has short hair and he wins.
To be accurate, my hair was no longer than Armando Muniz, Olivares in the 70's, the Baltazar's, etc.
When I met Olivares I was standing right besides Mel. I says to him, "Hey, look at his hair, it's longer than mine."
Mel just looked right thru me glaring. He then turned to his side and began mumbling to his invisable friend . . .
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The Forum- Inglewood, California - July 10, 1972

Armando Muniz W Prince Jimmy Hamm TKO 2 10
Moi Sanchez W Rick Farris PTS 6 6
Lou Blades W Rosario Zavala PTS 6 6
Renato Garcia W Agapito Villegas PTS 4 4

Rick " The Rebel" Farris

CNorkusJr wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:On this night at The Forum, I had long hair and lost. Garcia had short hair and won.
Don't think Mel didn't point this out to me more than once. Hafey has short hair he wins, Chacon has short hair and he wins.
To be accurate, my hair was no longer than Armando Muniz, Olivares in the 70's, the Baltazar's, etc.
When I met Olivares I was standing right besides Mel. I says to him, "Hey, look at his hair, it's longer than mine."
Mel just looked right thru me glaring. He then turned to his side and began mumbling to his invisable friend . . .
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The Forum- Inglewood, California - July 10, 1972

Armando Muniz W Prince Jimmy Hamm TKO 2 10
Moi Sanchez W Rick Farris PTS 6 6
Lou Blades W Rosario Zavala PTS 6 6
Renato Garcia W Agapito Villegas PTS 4 4

Rick " The Rebel" Farris

Don't think "The Rebel" fits Rick, Rick is a California Boy, never knew Rick to be from the south....

Mando Muniz and I were just discussing this one this morning . . . Forty years ago:
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Auditorium, Long Beach, California, United States - 1971

Armando Muniz W Clyde Gray KO 9 12
Arturo Zuniga W Eltefat Talebi UD 10 10
Ray White W Hill Chambers UD 10 10
Rick Farris W Joaquin Murrieta

And we remembered this one . . .
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Sports Arena, Los Angeles, California, United States

Ken Buchanan W Ruben Navarro UD 15 15
Armando Muniz W Mike Seyler TKO 3 10
Rudy Robles W Chuck Jefferson KO 3 6
Rick Farris W Antonio Villanueva KO 6 6

And we remembered this one in January 1972, on my 20th birthday . . .
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Convention Center, Anaheim, California, United States

Emile Griffith W Armando Muniz UD 10 10
David Diaz W Jerry Williams TKO 8 10
Frank Gastelum W Rosario Zavala PTS 6 6
Rick Farris L George Gonzalez PTS 4 4
Tommy Velasquez D Sal Ceja PTS 4 4

And Mando & I remembered this night, too. I was 18, my 6th pro fight . . .
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Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, United States

Armando Muniz W Jose Carreon KO 1 10
Frankie Crawford W Jose Luis Martinez UD 10 10
Mando Ramos W Raul Rojas KO 6 10
Rick Farris W Antonio Villanueva PTS 4 4
Jose Orantes W Ignacio Pacheco PTS 4 4

And we also fought on this night . . .
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Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California - 1971

Ruben Navarro L Jimmy Robertson MD 12 12
Jose Luis Martin Del Campo W David Sotelo SD 10 10
Armando Muniz W Cipriano Hernandez UD 10 10
Rick Farris W Gabe Gutierrez PTS 4 4


Armando Muniz I've known since I was 14.
And we shared a lot of great cards back in the 70's.