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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 14:10
by kikibalt
Rick Farris wrote:Tim Bradley=Dead Issue . . .

Timothy Bradley backed out of tonight's fight with Amir Khan. I was never impressed with Bradley. He had a great promoter (Ken Thompson), who was finally able to set him up with a competitive fight with another unbeaten fighter, and he backs out. It would have been his biggest purse, over a guy he had a chance to defeat? Dumb bastid. He had to fear Kahn? Why else would he back out? Money was good, opportunity was great. This is what happens when everybody that would have once been considered a "top ten" fighter is handed a world title. These days, I far prefer to watch guys with no title, who are just in an willing to fight. But to find this, you have to go to prelims. Soon, you will see 6-round fighters with a championship belt. :witzend:
The reason that Bradley didn't take the fight with kahn was that Kahn wanted the fight to be in England, that's what I heard anyway. He is also fighting to get out of his contract with Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 14:50
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:Tim Bradley=Dead Issue . . .

Timothy Bradley backed out of tonight's fight with Amir Khan. I was never impressed with Bradley. He had a great promoter (Ken Thompson), who was finally able to set him up with a competitive fight with another unbeaten fighter, and he backs out. It would have been his biggest purse, over a guy he had a chance to defeat? Dumb bastid. He had to fear Kahn? Why else would he back out? Money was good, opportunity was great. This is what happens when everybody that would have once been considered a "top ten" fighter is handed a world title. These days, I far prefer to watch guys with no title, who are just in an willing to fight. But to find this, you have to go to prelims. Soon, you will see 6-round fighters with a championship belt. :witzend:
The reason that Bradley didn't take the fight with kahn was that Kahn wanted the fight to be in England, that's what I heard anyway. He is also fighting to get out of his contract with Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson.

Why not fight Kahn in England? I don't know about Bradley's beef with Thompson, but this was an HBO fight.
Frank, like you, I'm a Southern Cal guy, who is involved with boxing, and I know Thompson from the WBHOF.
How is it I know Amir Kahn better than a guy who comes from Southern Cal? I'm not impressed in any way by Amir Kahn.
I'm less impressed with what little I have seen of Bradley. I think Tim is a hard worker in the gym and this would have been a great chance to upset a guy who is better known and more popular. You think after toiling in non-descript Desert holes for most of his career, headlining at places like the Double Tree Inn in Ontario, that Bradley might welcome a chance to do what a world champ should do and that's travel the world. You can't expect the world to come to some Indian Casino in the baking California desert. Or maybe he has a Roy Jones complex? Maybe he thinks because he is an unbeaten champ he should have more voice? I know this, tim Bradley is an uneducated prizefighter. I also know that his chief promoter is a straight-shooter who dos not need to cheat or compromise a fighter's career. My thoughts of Tim Bradley: Dumb bastid!
Amir Kahn is not an unbeatable fighter no matter where they hold the match. Bradley might beat him? And if he did not, he certainly wouldn't lose by much.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 15:27
by Chuck1052
I have read that Timothy Bradley didn't fight Amir Kahn because he would have had to give $600,000. to Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson out of a purse of about $1,500,000. By the way, I don't see a big problem in regards to Bradley fighting Kahn in the United Kingdom. Heck! Bradley is more likely to make more money if he did that. Kahn is much more of a drawing card than Bradley.

- Chuck Johnston

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 15:44
by Rick Farris
Chuck1052 wrote:I have read that Timothy Bradley didn't fight Amir Kahn because he would have had to give $600,000. to Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson out of a purse of about $1,500,000. By the way, I don't see a big problem in regards to Bradley fighting Kahn in the United Kingdom. Heck! Bradley is more likely to make more money if he did that. Kahn is much more of a drawing card than Bradley.

- Chuck Johnston
:TU: Agreed, Chuck. It could have been the start of a richer career, regardless of outcome, he'd have likely shown well?
He needs exposure and this would have provided it. He has some talent but no charisma, hard to market.
I also know that Ken has spent a fortune pushing Tim Bradley, money that he will never seek a return on. Rare man, indeed.
My opinion.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 16:07
by Rick Farris
Tonight . . .

I expect a good fight, lots of action.
Judah can box and fight, he used to be weak in late rounds. His chin isn't granite, either?
Kahn showed some stones in the Maidana fight, but he could get clipped tonight?
In light of what little is out there, this is one fight that might be interesting?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 18:06
by CNorkusJr
Michael Marley
It's with great sadness that I must report the sudden death of one of boxing's last, great characters.
Ronald "Butch" Lewis, known in the fight industry for tenaciously landing his light heavyweight champion Michael Spinks a massive $13.5 million purse for what turned out to be a brutal, one round KO at the hands of Iron Mike Tyson, apprently suffered a massive heart attack.
SEE SPINKS-TYSON BOUT, WORTHWHILE EVEN IF ONLY FOR MICHAEL BUFFER'S TOTALLY OVER THE TOP INTRODUCTION OF MOGUL DONALD TRUMP AND HIS SALIENT INTRO FOR LEGENDARY MUHAMMAD ALI. ALSO NOTICE HOW THE ATLANTIC CITY CROWD GETS PUMPED BY TYSON INTRODUCTION. THIS BOUT TOOK PLACE ON JUNE 17, 1988, AND WAS FOR THE UNDISPUTED WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT CROWN.

Lewis, age 65 and more active in recent years in the music and TV fields than in boxing, was in or around his stately home in Delaware when he went into cardiac arrest. I am not sure if this happened today (Saturday) or on Friday.
Ironically, the last place I saw Lewis and his client and best buddy Spinks, was at the funeral service of their longtime lawyer (and mine as well), Milton Chwasky. Chwasky died a few months ago.
Other close friends of Lewis were actor Denzel Wasdhington and former Black Entertainment Television Network owner turned NBA Charlotte franchise owner Bob Johnson. The celebrity trio often sat at ringside at major fights together and I think they may have had "ringside seats" together at President Barack Obama's Inauguration.
Later on in his illustrious life, soul signer supreme, Soul Brother Number One, Mr. James Brown did a jail stint for durg use.
When he got out of jail, he had a comeback concert at an historic theater in the Hollywood area and the promoter of the event was none other than Butch Lewis.
Lewis' sartorial trademark was his "Chocolate Tuxedo" look which only mean he wore a tuxedo without a shirt underneath it. Lewis even had one of his sons at ringside for a big fight dressed the same way.
Lewis grew up in Philadelphia, was always fascinated by boxing and became a close friend and associate of first Smokin' Joe Frazier and then Muhammad Ali.
In the boxing industry, Lewis oversaw the development of Leon Spinks when Lewis was a VP to Bob Arum's Top Rank company, including that incredible night in Las Vegas when Leon, with only eight pro bouts, took a unanimous decision over "The Greatest" in Las Vegas.

Spinks vs Tyson http://youtu.be/aASFYQOUCEU

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 19:09
by kikibalt
Timothy Bradley doing his fighting out of the ring

Junior-welterweight champion turned down a chance for a unification bout against Amir Khan this weekend, primarily because of financial squabble with his promoters.

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Timothy Bradley is being criticized for turning down an unification title bout against Amir Khan. (Christina House / For The Times / January 14, 2011)

By Lance Pugmire

July 21, 2011
This was supposed to be Timothy Bradley's weekend.

Instead, the unbeaten WBC and WBO junior-welterweight champion from Palm Springs has been torched by critics for not accepting a Saturday title unification date against Amir Khan and a $1.5-million-plus payday.

"I'm not hurting for money," Bradley said this week. "I've saved my money. I'm in a good position."

Britain's Khan, who'll instead fight veteran Zab Judah in an HBO-televised title bout at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, has accused Bradley (27-0, 11 knockouts) of being afraid to risk defeat.

Khan made Bradley, 27, an offer of a 50-50 split of United Kingdom pay-per-view revenue beyond the guaranteed $1.3 million HBO had promised Bradley to fight Kahn after his January victory over then-unbeaten Devon Alexander outside Detroit.

"He knew he'd get beat, that's why he didn't take the fight," Khan said of Bradley last week. "He's not an exciting fighter, can't even fill 2,000-seat arenas in his hometown."

Bradley counters he still wants to fight Khan — just not now, when his promoters Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson were due a sizable cut of Bradley's purse in the final fight of their contract.

Shaw and Thompson have sued Bradley to collect their share of the HBO-promised Khan purse, plus damages, and are seeking to stop Bradley from working under another promoter until their dispute is resolved.

The promoters in June distributed a letter to all major promoters advising them not to tamper with Bradley. Bradley said he's retaining his own legal team.

The dispute results mostly from the Bradley-Alexander bout.

Bradley and his manager, Cameron Dunkin, fumed the night before the Alexander fight when they learned from a financial disclosure form that Shaw — thanks to a hefty Pontiac Silverdome site fee — would pocket an estimated $600,000 while Bradley's fight fee was his guaranteed $1.1 million.

"I've never even seen Don King do something like this," Dunkin barked that evening.

Shaw answers that "Timmy got real bad advice" and opted to take the $1.1-million guarantee rather than accepting a 75%-25% split that would have paid him nearly $1.3 million.

Shaw's attorney has argued the promoters helped build Bradley's career, and they are entitled to compensation when the boxer has made it clear he was leaving them this year.

As a deadline loomed two months ago for Bradley to agree to the Khan fight, it became clear he wouldn't budge. Bradley said this week the Detroit ordeal "put me over the edge."

Said Shaw: "I don't understand how … you can pass up the opportunity to be the No. 3 fighter in the world with a win [over Khan]. Everybody would be running after Timmy if he had taken and won this fight."

Of Shaw and Thompson, Bradley said, "We've gone as far as we can together. At this point, I want to become a bigger name and get to the bigger fish."

Bradley said fighting Khan now is "too soon.… The fight can marinate a little longer."

Bradley insists the litigation won't stop him from fighting again this year. "My 10-year-old [stepson] can figure out what they want: money," Bradley said of the promoters.

One possible scenario is for Bradley to pay a settlement fee, allowing a promoter like Bob Arum to make a fight for Bradley — possibly on the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez card Nov. 14 — and allow Bradley to recoup the settlement.

On Saturday, Khan and Judah will fight for the IBF and WBA junior-welterweight titles.

If Bradley won a fight later this year on an attractive pay-per-view card, he would be positioned next year to either fight for a unification of the junior-welterweight belts, or be a possible foe for Pacquiao should Floyd Mayweather Jr. be unavailable again.

Bradley dismissed concerns about his extended layoff, noting he's "constantly training" but is happy he's at home this week because his wife, Monica, is due to give birth soon to the couple's first child.

"You know how I'd be feeling now if I had taken that fight? I'd be a nervous wreck," Bradley said. "I'm a family-first guy."

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 20:35
by Rick Farris
Ol
kikibalt wrote:Timothy Bradley doing his fighting out of the ring

Junior-welterweight champion turned down a chance for a unification bout against Amir Khan this weekend, primarily because of financial squabble with his promoters.

Image

Timothy Bradley is being criticized for turning down an unification title bout against Amir Khan. (Christina House / For The Times / January 14, 2011)

By Lance Pugmire

July 21, 2011
This was supposed to be Timothy Bradley's weekend.

Instead, the unbeaten WBC and WBO junior-welterweight champion from Palm Springs has been torched by critics for not accepting a Saturday title unification date against Amir Khan and a $1.5-million-plus payday.

"I'm not hurting for money," Bradley said this week. "I've saved my money. I'm in a good position."

Britain's Khan, who'll instead fight veteran Zab Judah in an HBO-televised title bout at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, has accused Bradley (27-0, 11 knockouts) of being afraid to risk defeat.

Khan made Bradley, 27, an offer of a 50-50 split of United Kingdom pay-per-view revenue beyond the guaranteed $1.3 million HBO had promised Bradley to fight Kahn after his January victory over then-unbeaten Devon Alexander outside Detroit.

"He knew he'd get beat, that's why he didn't take the fight," Khan said of Bradley last week. "He's not an exciting fighter, can't even fill 2,000-seat arenas in his hometown."

Bradley counters he still wants to fight Khan — just not now, when his promoters Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson were due a sizable cut of Bradley's purse in the final fight of their contract.

Shaw and Thompson have sued Bradley to collect their share of the HBO-promised Khan purse, plus damages, and are seeking to stop Bradley from working under another promoter until their dispute is resolved.

The promoters in June distributed a letter to all major promoters advising them not to tamper with Bradley. Bradley said he's retaining his own legal team.

The dispute results mostly from the Bradley-Alexander bout.

Bradley and his manager, Cameron Dunkin, fumed the night before the Alexander fight when they learned from a financial disclosure form that Shaw — thanks to a hefty Pontiac Silverdome site fee — would pocket an estimated $600,000 while Bradley's fight fee was his guaranteed $1.1 million.

"I've never even seen Don King do something like this," Dunkin barked that evening.

Shaw answers that "Timmy got real bad advice" and opted to take the $1.1-million guarantee rather than accepting a 75%-25% split that would have paid him nearly $1.3 million.

Shaw's attorney has argued the promoters helped build Bradley's career, and they are entitled to compensation when the boxer has made it clear he was leaving them this year.

As a deadline loomed two months ago for Bradley to agree to the Khan fight, it became clear he wouldn't budge. Bradley said this week the Detroit ordeal "put me over the edge."

Said Shaw: "I don't understand how … you can pass up the opportunity to be the No. 3 fighter in the world with a win [over Khan]. Everybody would be running after Timmy if he had taken and won this fight."

Of Shaw and Thompson, Bradley said, "We've gone as far as we can together. At this point, I want to become a bigger name and get to the bigger fish."

Bradley said fighting Khan now is "too soon.… The fight can marinate a little longer."

Bradley insists the litigation won't stop him from fighting again this year. "My 10-year-old [stepson] can figure out what they want: money," Bradley said of the promoters.

One possible scenario is for Bradley to pay a settlement fee, allowing a promoter like Bob Arum to make a fight for Bradley — possibly on the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez card Nov. 14 — and allow Bradley to recoup the settlement.

On Saturday, Khan and Judah will fight for the IBF and WBA junior-welterweight titles.

If Bradley won a fight later this year on an attractive pay-per-view card, he would be positioned next year to either fight for a unification of the junior-welterweight belts, or be a possible foe for Pacquiao should Floyd Mayweather Jr. be unavailable again.

Bradley dismissed concerns about his extended layoff, noting he's "constantly training" but is happy he's at home this week because his wife, Monica, is due to give birth soon to the couple's first child.

"You know how I'd be feeling now if I had taken that fight? I'd be a nervous wreck," Bradley said. "I'm a family-first guy."

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Bradley is arrogant saying, "I'm comfortable".
He is also an ignorant young man.
If he had the same charisma as a Tyson, Pacquiao, De La Hoya, he might get away with this nonsense.
However, he has 0 box office appeal. He'll get fights, but he won't get anywhere.
This guy can't sell tickets, so basicly he just ruined himself.
Professional boxing is about generating money.
My opinion.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 22:21
by Rick Farris
Before the opening bell . . .

Judah is entering the ring. I'm not a fan, but I think he is going to embarass Khan.
I'm wrong as often as I'm right, so my opinion ain't worth sh*t. But this is my feeling?
I think Bradley would have been a much easier fight? My opinion.

Well, Michael Buffer is starting the intros . . .

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 22:53
by Rick Farris
Rick Farris wrote:Before the opening bell . . .

Judah is entering the ring. I'm not a fan, but I think he is going to embarass Khan.
I'm wrong as often as I'm right, so my opinion ain't worth sh*t. But this is my feeling?
I think Bradley would have been a much easier fight? My opinion.

Well, Michael Buffer is starting the intros . . .

Congratulations to Amir Khan & Freddie Roach.
Khan won clearly. Can't ask for more than that.
Talk of Khan fighting Bradley? Why? Feed him beans. :OhYes:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:11
by kikibalt
Patricia Manuel and Mikaela Mayer

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One has 10 tattoos, a Mohawk haircut and so much ethnic diversity in her background she calls herself “a little bit of everything.”

The other is a fair-haired, fair-skinned Valley girl who put aside a modeling career to fight.

Yet for all their differences, Mikaela Mayer, the model, and Patricia Manuel, the Mohawk, share the same dream: a spot on the first U.S. Olympic boxing team for women.

“There's no higher sports achievement than the Olympics,” says Manuel, a former national champion. “And it means a lot to me.”

“It comes down to one day,” Mayer adds. “You lose, you're out.”

And because both fight at the same weight --132 pounds -- it's a goal only one can realize.

“I think about it all the time,” Mayer says, blood spatters turning a sweat-soaked white T-shirt pink after a morning sparring session at Freddie Roach's Hollywood gym. “It would be amazing. Especially coming from where I came from.”

That's another thing they share: Each took long, unusual -- and in the case of Manuel -- painful paths toward a goal that seems to grow more elusive the closer they get.

Manuel, who lives in Long Beach, first discovered boxing in high school, when her grandmother gave her a Christmas-present membership in the L.A. Boxing Club to help her lose weight.

“Now I'm down to 130 pounds,” she says. “So the diet worked.”

Grandma's plan never called for Manuel to throw -- or take -- a punch in anger. But a few months later the teenager climbed into the ring with a 32-year-old veteran of 26 fights.

“It was obviously a mismatch. It was embarrassing,” she says. “I fell in love with it immediately.”

Soon Manuel, whose background is primarily Irish, Mexican and black -- “I'm a little bit of everything,” she says --- had talked her way into trainer Roberto Luna's stable at the Commerce Boxing Club, a close-knit group that has included two Olympians. By the end of 2008, Manuel was ready to leave the amateur ranks.

But her pro debut was repeatedly postponed, first by a split lip, then when multiple opponents pulled out days before scheduled fights. So she wound up entering, and winning, the 2009 amateur national championships. Two months later women's boxing was added to the Olympic calendar for the London Games and Manuel delayed her pro debut indefinitely.

And that's when the real problems began. Because of a compressed joint in her right shoulder, Manuel hasn't fought since losing in the semifinals of the Pan Am box-off last March, and she won't get into the ring again until October's national PAL championships. There she'll have to finish either first or second to qualify for next year's U.S. Olympic trials.

“I know I've had setbacks. But in my heart of hearts, I know if I'm 100% no one's going to beat me,” Manuel, 25, says as she rocks in a squeaky chair in Luna's crowded office at the boxing club, which shares space with a city library next to the Santa Ana Freeway. “I have a chance to do something. I look at it this way: Certain people have certain mediums to get to where they need to hoist themselves.

“And to me boxing is that medium. That's my vehicle to greatness.”

Mayer was also 17 when she first found herself in a gym looking for something other than a spot on the Olympic team.

A hard partier who was kicked out of one high school for fighting and was about to flunk out of another, Mayer said she had “an epiphany” after stumbling into a Muay Thai club in the San Fernando Valley.

“I always had a feeling that I was meant to do something great. And I wasn't living up to my potential,” she says. “So I cut off a lot of friends. I stopped partying and all I wanted to do was train every day. I became addicted to it.”

Good at it too. After winning her first 10 bouts in Muay Thai -- a combat sport that features stand-up striking, kicking and clinching -- Mayer switched to boxing and in less than a year she had won the national Golden Gloves and PAL tournaments.

“I was thinking ‘I want to get good enough to go pro,’” Mayer says, the words tumbling out so fast they bump into one another. “When the Olympics came around I actually thought, ‘Should I wait?’

“And then I was like, ‘Of course! Duh?’ Why would you not wait?”

Mayer, 21, is a tall, thin blond with hazel eyes and an infectious smile, all traits that helped her fill a modeling portfolio. In the ring, however, she relies on other talents.

“She has an unusual gift,” says her coach, Ric O'Kane, the man Mayer credits with turning her life around. “She has an unusual reach. She knows how to use her jab. That was the first thing I showed her. And that's one of her main weapons.”

As Mayer began to climb in the national rankings she became eligible to join the U.S. Olympic Education Center attached to Northern Michigan University. So now, three years after nearly flunking out of a continuation school, she's a college freshman with a 3.3 GPA.

“It literally got me a college education,” she says of boxing.

And now she has to win only one tournament to make it to London after beating Texan Selina Barrios in the national Golden Gloves tournament earlier this month, earning an automatic berth in February's Olympic trials.

“I'm so excited,” Mayer said. “Especially that I did it this summer. It's a big relief and takes away a lot of the stress. Now I can concentrate on getting to the trials in the best shape I can be in.”

Her coach has no doubt how all this is going to turn out.

“She's going to make it,” promises O'Kane, who says Manuel's story is too perfect to end short of the medal podium.

“She is in such a key position. For a girl with her looks; she's the all-American girl. She was born on the Fourth of July. I call her Yankee Doodle Dandy.”

— Kevin Baxter, Photograph by Wally Skalij.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:19
by Randyman
Remy, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your countrymen. If they haven't yet I hope they get the dirty cowardly bastids. What a cowardly act.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:22
by Randyman
I missed the Kahn-Zudah fight tonight, maybe I'll catch it tomorrow. When I turned on the TV I heard Lampley and Steward talking about low blow. Was it a legit win?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:26
by Randyman
I just got back from seeing Captain America. It's a first rate movie tat did the Captain justice. I couldn't help thinking, though, that Reb Brown looked more like Captain America than Chris Evans. The new movie was a well produced movie. Next up: the new Spiderman flick. I'm really looking forward to that. :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:43
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:Singer Amy Winehouse is dead. Age 27.
I have never heard one song from Amy Winehouse. All I knew about her was from what I read from magazine covers (I never took the time to read about her) while at the market or on a TV news report. Today after I learned of her death I looked her up on youtube. She was very talented, with a soulful voice and a bluesy style. I should have been listening all along.

As a father I can't help but feel sorry for her and her family. 27 is just to young to die.I'm sorry for her that her life was so sad and tragic. I know that her life was out of control. Maybe it's unfair for me to say this but where was her father in her life? Maybe he did all he could or maybe he did nothing but this young girl was just so troubled you can't help but think something wasn't right at home. Again, as a father of daughters this really disturbs me.

Rest in peace Amy!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:50
by Randyman
Randyman wrote:Remy, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your countrymen. If they haven't yet I hope they get the dirty cowardly bastids. What a cowardly act.
I see where they got the bastid. I hope justice is served!!!!

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:52
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:Ol
kikibalt wrote:Timothy Bradley doing his fighting out of the ring

Junior-welterweight champion turned down a chance for a unification bout against Amir Khan this weekend, primarily because of financial squabble with his promoters.

Image

Timothy Bradley is being criticized for turning down an unification title bout against Amir Khan. (Christina House / For The Times / January 14, 2011)

By Lance Pugmire

July 21, 2011
This was supposed to be Timothy Bradley's weekend.

Instead, the unbeaten WBC and WBO junior-welterweight champion from Palm Springs has been torched by critics for not accepting a Saturday title unification date against Amir Khan and a $1.5-million-plus payday.

"I'm not hurting for money," Bradley said this week. "I've saved my money. I'm in a good position."

Britain's Khan, who'll instead fight veteran Zab Judah in an HBO-televised title bout at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas, has accused Bradley (27-0, 11 knockouts) of being afraid to risk defeat.

Khan made Bradley, 27, an offer of a 50-50 split of United Kingdom pay-per-view revenue beyond the guaranteed $1.3 million HBO had promised Bradley to fight Kahn after his January victory over then-unbeaten Devon Alexander outside Detroit.

"He knew he'd get beat, that's why he didn't take the fight," Khan said of Bradley last week. "He's not an exciting fighter, can't even fill 2,000-seat arenas in his hometown."

Bradley counters he still wants to fight Khan — just not now, when his promoters Gary Shaw and Ken Thompson were due a sizable cut of Bradley's purse in the final fight of their contract.

Shaw and Thompson have sued Bradley to collect their share of the HBO-promised Khan purse, plus damages, and are seeking to stop Bradley from working under another promoter until their dispute is resolved.

The promoters in June distributed a letter to all major promoters advising them not to tamper with Bradley. Bradley said he's retaining his own legal team.

The dispute results mostly from the Bradley-Alexander bout.

Bradley and his manager, Cameron Dunkin, fumed the night before the Alexander fight when they learned from a financial disclosure form that Shaw — thanks to a hefty Pontiac Silverdome site fee — would pocket an estimated $600,000 while Bradley's fight fee was his guaranteed $1.1 million.

"I've never even seen Don King do something like this," Dunkin barked that evening.

Shaw answers that "Timmy got real bad advice" and opted to take the $1.1-million guarantee rather than accepting a 75%-25% split that would have paid him nearly $1.3 million.

Shaw's attorney has argued the promoters helped build Bradley's career, and they are entitled to compensation when the boxer has made it clear he was leaving them this year.

As a deadline loomed two months ago for Bradley to agree to the Khan fight, it became clear he wouldn't budge. Bradley said this week the Detroit ordeal "put me over the edge."

Said Shaw: "I don't understand how … you can pass up the opportunity to be the No. 3 fighter in the world with a win [over Khan]. Everybody would be running after Timmy if he had taken and won this fight."

Of Shaw and Thompson, Bradley said, "We've gone as far as we can together. At this point, I want to become a bigger name and get to the bigger fish."

Bradley said fighting Khan now is "too soon.… The fight can marinate a little longer."

Bradley insists the litigation won't stop him from fighting again this year. "My 10-year-old [stepson] can figure out what they want: money," Bradley said of the promoters.

One possible scenario is for Bradley to pay a settlement fee, allowing a promoter like Bob Arum to make a fight for Bradley — possibly on the Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manuel Marquez card Nov. 14 — and allow Bradley to recoup the settlement.

On Saturday, Khan and Judah will fight for the IBF and WBA junior-welterweight titles.

If Bradley won a fight later this year on an attractive pay-per-view card, he would be positioned next year to either fight for a unification of the junior-welterweight belts, or be a possible foe for Pacquiao should Floyd Mayweather Jr. be unavailable again.

Bradley dismissed concerns about his extended layoff, noting he's "constantly training" but is happy he's at home this week because his wife, Monica, is due to give birth soon to the couple's first child.

"You know how I'd be feeling now if I had taken that fight? I'd be a nervous wreck," Bradley said. "I'm a family-first guy."

[email protected]
Bradley is arrogant saying, "I'm comfortable".
He is also an ignorant young man.
If he had the same charisma as a Tyson, Pacquiao, De La Hoya, he might get away with this nonsense.
However, he has 0 box office appeal. He'll get fights, but he won't get anywhere.
This guy can't sell tickets, so basicly he just ruined himself.
Professional boxing is about generating money.
My opinion.
Wotta disappointment Bradley turned out to be! :shame:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:56
by CNorkusJr
Randyman wrote:I just got back from seeing Captain America. It's a first rate movie tat did the Captain justice. I couldn't help thinking, though, that Reb Brown looked more like Captain America than Chris Evans. The new movie was a well produced movie. Next up: the new Spiderman flick. I'm really looking forward to that. :TU:
Glad to see I am not alone in enjoying these new "splashy" superheroes movies.
I use my nephews as an excuse to indulge in the 3D techno movies of today :lol:
Rick posted new future Spiderman trailer. Exciting birds-eye view from the new guy.
Got to get my nephews to this one too. :OhYes:

Randy- Amy Winehouse's father,I forgot his first name, is a blues muscian/entertainer and was here in NY when he learned of his daughter's untimely death. He was scheduled to play in a nightclub in lower Manhattan earlier tonite. Of course the gig was cancelled.

Zab Judah was going nowhere with Khan this evening. The bigger and much improved Khan swarmed over a smaller,older Judah (who was is good shape for a 33 yrs old) every round.
Khan admitted after the fight he was stung by Judah jabs a couple of times to no effect.
Before fight I thought Zab stood a good chance against Khan based on Khan's size and previous fights, but after the first rd. I admit Khan looks alot like a contender. Kudos to Roach and gang.
The low blow thing can go either way in an arguement (HBO analyzers couldnt agree either)
but he certainly wasnt hit in the jewels like Zab claimed he was. He was not damaged below the belt, but his abdoman took a shot. Zab gave up-I thought.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:02
by Randyman
CNorkusJr wrote:
Randyman wrote:I just got back from seeing Captain America. It's a first rate movie tat did the Captain justice. I couldn't help thinking, though, that Reb Brown looked more like Captain America than Chris Evans. The new movie was a well produced movie. Next up: the new Spiderman flick. I'm really looking forward to that. :TU:
Glad to see I am not alone in enjoying these new "splashy" superheroes movies.
I use my nephews as an excuse to indulge in the 3D techno movies of today :lol:
Rick posted new future Spiderman trailer. Exciting birds-eye view from the new guy.
Got to get my nephews to this one too. :OhYes:
Charlie, I was a big time comic book collector hen I was growing up. Both Captain America and Spiderman were among my favorites. With certain things I'm still a kid at heart and I don't plan on changing. When I got through seeing the movie I wanted to find a trash can lid and go looking for bad guys, somewhere, anywhere but Jeri made me get in the truck and get her something to eat, so for now my super-hero career is on hold.

http://captainamerica.marvel.com/

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:07
by Rick Farris
Randyman wrote:I missed the Kahn-Zudah fight tonight, maybe I'll catch it tomorrow. When I turned on the TV I heard Lampley and Steward talking about low blow. Was it a legit win?

Yes. It was all Khan. I just can't get used to these guys running in behind punches with their chin in the air.
No cuties in the ring today, no style.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:14
by Randyman
CNorkusJr wrote:
Randyman wrote:I just got back from seeing Captain America. It's a first rate movie tat did the Captain justice. I couldn't help thinking, though, that Reb Brown looked more like Captain America than Chris Evans. The new movie was a well produced movie. Next up: the new Spiderman flick. I'm really looking forward to that. :TU:
Glad to see I am not alone in enjoying these new "splashy" superheroes movies.
I use my nephews as an excuse to indulge in the 3D techno movies of today :lol:
Rick posted new future Spiderman trailer. Exciting birds-eye view from the new guy.
Got to get my nephews to this one too. :OhYes:

Randy- Amy Winehouse's father,I forgot his first name, is a blues muscian/entertainer and was here in NY when he learned of his daughter's untimely death. He was scheduled to play in a nightclub in lower Manhattan earlier tonite. Of course the gig was cancelled.

Zab Judah was going nowhere with Khan this evening. The bigger and much improved Khan swarmed over a smaller,older Judah (who was is good shape for a 33 yrs old) every round.
Khan admitted after the fight he was stung by Judah jabs a couple of times to no effect.
Before fight I thought Zab stood a good chance against Khan based on Khan's size and previous fights, but after the first rd. I admit Khan looks alot like a contender. Kudos to Roach and gang.
The low blow thing can go either way in an arguement (HBO analyzers couldnt agree either)
but he certainly wasnt hit in the jewels like Zab claimed he was. He was not damaged below the belt, but his abdoman took a shot. Zab gave up-I thought.
Thanks Charlie. had to be tough on Amy's father hearing about it like that while on tour. My condolences.
Like you I thought Zab had a good chance, in fact I thought he was going to win. not so much that I like Judah or that I think he is a great fighter but only because throughout most of his career he has fought some good fighters (and lost to good fighters) and despite Kahn's fight with Maidana I felt he was still relatively unproven. I'm glad to hear he won. Gives me some hope for today's fighters.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:14
by Rick Farris
"The Amazing Spider Man" will be the first time Spidee well be viewed in 3-D.
You won't get that in the promos or trailer, but I saw some of the rushes in 3D and liked it better than Avatar visually.
Price tag: $300 million - Next year on July 3rd.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:19
by Randyman
Rick Farris wrote:
Randyman wrote:I missed the Kahn-Zudah fight tonight, maybe I'll catch it tomorrow. When I turned on the TV I heard Lampley and Steward talking about low blow. Was it a legit win?

Yes. It was all Khan. I just can't get used to these guys running in behind punches with their chin in the air.
No cuties in the ring today, no style.
Goes back to the trainers, although with some guys all the trainers in the world can't help. Fighters that punch with their chin up is my pet peeve!! :witzend: :witzend: :witzend:

rick, "Cuties" or "Cutie Pies" that's the term my father used hen he was talking about certain fighters, those that could box and move and "Fight" with panache! An old school term that I can appreciate! :TU:

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:23
by CNorkusJr
Randyman wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote:
Randyman wrote:I just got back from seeing Captain America. It's a first rate movie tat did the Captain justice. I couldn't help thinking, though, that Reb Brown looked more like Captain America than Chris Evans. The new movie was a well produced movie. Next up: the new Spiderman flick. I'm really looking forward to that. :TU:
Glad to see I am not alone in enjoying these new "splashy" superheroes movies.
I use my nephews as an excuse to indulge in the 3D techno movies of today :lol:
Rick posted new future Spiderman trailer. Exciting birds-eye view from the new guy.
Got to get my nephews to this one too. :OhYes:
Charlie, I was a big time comic book collector hen I was growing up. Both Captain America and Spiderman ere among my favorites. With certain things I'm still a kid at heart and I don't plan on changing. When I got through seeing the movie I wanted to find a trash can lid and go looking for bad guys, somewhere, anywhere but Jeri made me get in the truck and get her something to eat, so for now my super-hero career is on hold.

http://captainamerica.marvel.com/
:lol: Sight unseen-I'll send you a check for $100 for any superheroes comic books you have from your childhood, Randy. :lol:

I was hit with a line like that from a childhood friend who I grew up with here during the 60's.
On my suburban neighborhood block, I grew up with 9 boys all within 2 yrs of age of each other.The sports scenarios were great. 7 of us still keep in touch from all locations in the US.
Myself and Ed, are the only ones who remain locally,and I live in house that I grew up in since 1963 when my parents and I moved here. By 1966-all of us were collecting baseball cards.Heavily. Being a Mets fan and Yankee hater-still am, I traded all my Mantle cards for Tommy Davis and Ron Swoboda cards. Great huh.
In 1990 I got a call from Glenn, who resided in Huntington Beach by you guys.He asked me if I still had my cards in the attic or somewhere. I checked upstairs and after digging a little found the huge box of cards I had from 66-75.In good shape. Mom never threw them out after I left. I called Glenn back and said "yes I have them-in good shape too".
He said" Sight unseen, I'll send you a check for $300 to ship them out to me".
I knew better. Glenn was always a wheeler-dealer type guy.
I told him "that next time your back here, I'm getting out my fathers sparring gloves, and beating his ass,like we used to do when we were kids". We both laughed.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 00:28
by Randyman
CNorkusJr wrote:
Randyman wrote:
CNorkusJr wrote: Glad to see I am not alone in enjoying these new "splashy" superheroes movies.
I use my nephews as an excuse to indulge in the 3D techno movies of today :lol:
Rick posted new future Spiderman trailer. Exciting birds-eye view from the new guy.
Got to get my nephews to this one too. :OhYes:
Charlie, I was a big time comic book collector hen I was growing up. Both Captain America and Spiderman ere among my favorites. With certain things I'm still a kid at heart and I don't plan on changing. When I got through seeing the movie I wanted to find a trash can lid and go looking for bad guys, somewhere, anywhere but Jeri made me get in the truck and get her something to eat, so for now my super-hero career is on hold.

http://captainamerica.marvel.com/
:lol: Sight unseen-I'll send you a check for $100 for any superheroes comic books you have from your childhood, Randy. :lol:

I was hit with a line like that from a childhood friend who I grew up with here during the 60's.
On my suburban neighborhood block, I grew up with 9 boys all within 2 yrs of age of each other.The sports scenarios were great. 7 of us still keep in touch from all locations in the US.
Myself and Ed, are the only ones who remain locally,and I live in house that I grew up in since 1963 when my parents and I moved here. By 1966-all of us were collecting baseball cards.Heavily. Being a Mets fan and Yankee hater-still am, I traded all my Mantle cards for Tommy Davis and Ron Swoboda cards. Great huh.
In 1990 I got a call from Glenn, who resided in Huntington Beach by you guys.He asked me if I still had my cards in the attic or somewhere. I checked upstairs and after digging a little found the huge box of cards I had from 66-75.In good shape. Mom never threw them out after I left. I called Glenn back and said "yes I have them-in good shape too".
He said" Sight unseen, I'll send you a check for $300 to ship them out to me".
I knew better. Glenn was always a wheeler-dealer type guy.
I told him "that next time your back here, I'm getting out my fathers sparring gloves, and beating his ass,like we used to do when we were kids". We both laughed.
I have a response to that but it'll take a while. I'm going to bed in a few minutes but I will get back to you!! G'night all!