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p4p1 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:11 You guys will never guess who just pissed hot again.

Bones?

I just checked out the following, but want to know how they know it's still residual from a previous test?

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/2560 ... st-results

Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:26 I just checked out the following, but want to know how they know it's still residual from a previous test?

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/2560 ... st-results

When all the other tests he has taken have been clean so far?

Weird.

p4p1 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:29

Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:26 I just checked out the following, but want to know how they know it's still residual from a previous test?

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/2560 ... st-results

When all the other tests he has taken have been clean so far?

Weird.

And it stays in your system for 18 months? Something smells fishy here. It just seems like the UFC is bending over backwards to accommodate Jones. Remember when White said Jones would never headline another UFC card again? What happened to that?

Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:40

p4p1 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:29

Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:26 I just checked out the following, but want to know how they know it's still residual from a previous test?

http://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id/2560 ... st-results

When all the other tests he has taken have been clean so far?

Weird.

And it stays in your system for 18 months? Something smells fishy here. It just seems like the UFC is bending over backwards to accommodate Jones. Remember when White said Jones would never headline another UFC card again? What happened to that?

USADA also lost Brocks samples mysteriously.

But regarding Jones, CSAC recommended he submit to VADA testing but because he wasn’t forced to he didn’t. Which was fishy to me because he kept reiterating that he wanted to get his image back.

He’s just so unlikeable IMO and he can’t stop cheating during what should be the his best years.

If USADA is saying it's not positive and residual, why won't Las Vegas let him fight?

As far as the legitimacy of the claim, I gotta take their word for it. USADA is independent of the UFC. If the UFC were lying about it, they would get called out. So, I'm on board. Who the fornicate wants the best ever on th he sidelines during his prime?

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:22

Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:40

p4p1 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:29

When all the other tests he has taken have been clean so far?

Weird.

And it stays in your system for 18 months? Something smells fishy here. It just seems like the UFC is bending over backwards to accommodate Jones. Remember when White said Jones would never headline another UFC card again? What happened to that?

USADA also lost Brocks samples mysteriously.

But regarding Jones, CSAC recommended he submit to VADA testing but because he wasn’t forced to he didn’t. Which was fishy to me because he kept reiterating that he wanted to get his image back.

He’s just so unlikeable IMO and he can’t stop cheating during what should be the his best years.

He is unlikable, but he's the best. Rules get bent for people like him. It's the way of the world.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:26

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:22

Baby Face Finster wrote: ↑23 Dec 2018, 23:40

And it stays in your system for 18 months? Something smells fishy here. It just seems like the UFC is bending over backwards to accommodate Jones. Remember when White said Jones would never headline another UFC card again? What happened to that?

USADA also lost Brocks samples mysteriously.

But regarding Jones, CSAC recommended he submit to VADA testing but because he wasn’t forced to he didn’t. Which was fishy to me because he kept reiterating that he wanted to get his image back.

He’s just so unlikeable IMO and he can’t stop cheating during what should be the his best years.

He is unlikable, but he's the best. Rules get bent for people like him. It's the way of the world.

Is he the best in the world though? He’s been cheating for his entire career. The one fight we know he was clean for he looked nowhere near his normal level.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:25 If USADA is saying it's not positive and residual, why won't Las Vegas let him fight?

As far as the legitimacy of the claim, I gotta take their word for it. USADA is independent of the UFC. If the UFC were lying about it, they would get called out. So, I'm on board. Who the eff wants the best ever on th he sidelines during his prime?

I’m just not 100% sure they’re as independent as first thought. The concessions made for Brock Lesnar are an example for that and add onto that a sample going mysteriously missing.

Also am I the only one who thinks that despite it being lingering or not, which I’m not sold on as long as it is in his system of any other athletes they should be barred from competing. That’s the consequences of cheating in the first place.

So from what I've read, the pulsating theory is based on a Russian Drs theory who was one of those responsible for helping the Russian team dope. The IOC didn't buy it and hasn't changed their stance on pulsating, as well others in the industry have disagreed with the pulsating theory.

Jones' test returned 75% of what he had been popped for when he last popped, it seems to me that a residual amount left in the body wouldn't be 75% if that was when he last took it. I don't buy it all.

Others have been banned for 2 years for testing positive for a smaller amount than Jones. Cro Cop was banned because he admitted to taking HGH for recovery after a shoulder surgery on a doctors orders and had the prescription to prove it. Despite a completely clean test he was still bannned for admitting use, the same happened to Machida.

p4p1 wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 01:11 So from what I've read, the pulsating theory is based on a Russian Drs theory who was one of those responsible for helping the Russian team dope. The IOC didn't buy it and hasn't changed their stance on pulsating, as well others in the industry have disagreed with the pulsating theory.

Jones' test returned 75% of what he had been popped for when he last popped, it seems to me that a residual amount left in the body wouldn't be 75% if that was when he last took it. I don't buy it all.

Others have been banned for 2 years for testing positive for a smaller amount than Jones. Cro Cop was banned because he admitted to taking HGH for recovery after a shoulder surgery on a doctors orders and had the prescription to prove it. Despite a completely clean test he was still bannned for admitting use, the same happened to Machida.

He is obviously being treated differently because of his drawing power. It's sickening that the UFC has bent over backward to keep this card from being canceled even though it inconveniences all the other fighters on the card. I hope Gustafsson beats Jones. It would be karmic justice.

Well, I know it's horrible for me to say, but I am happy this fight has been saved. I have heard from many sources that even with USADA in place, that most fighters still use some type of ped. PEDS don't make a fighter as special as Jones. He's the best ever, ped or not. Of course it's a double standard when it comes to people like Jones and other top draws. Not saying it's right. But it is what it is. Hopefully, Gus takes him out.

I saw some fighters who are pissed off that the event has been moved to california because the state has one of the highest income tax rates in the country. So fighters will be getting a pay cut essentially because of Jones.

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:18 I saw some fighters who are pissed off that the event has been moved to california because the state has one of the highest income tax rates in the country. So fighters will be getting a pay cut essentially because of Jones.

Sucks. But they'll get over it.

What really sucks are the fans who had made all their arrangements around it being in LV.

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:24

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:18 I saw some fighters who are pissed off that the event has been moved to california because the state has one of the highest income tax rates in the country. So fighters will be getting a pay cut essentially because of Jones.

Sucks. But they'll get over it.

What really sucks are the fans who had made all their arrangements around it being in LV.

True. I'm guessing they won't be able to get refunds either.

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:52

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:24

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:18 I saw some fighters who are pissed off that the event has been moved to california because the state has one of the highest income tax rates in the country. So fighters will be getting a pay cut essentially because of Jones.

Sucks. But they'll get over it.

What really sucks are the fans who had made all their arrangements around it being in LV.

True. I'm guessing they won't be able to get refunds either.

It is the States so I'm sure some people will sue.

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:52

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:24

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:18 I saw some fighters who are pissed off that the event has been moved to california because the state has one of the highest income tax rates in the country. So fighters will be getting a pay cut essentially because of Jones.

Sucks. But they'll get over it.

What really sucks are the fans who had made all their arrangements around it being in LV.

True. I'm guessing they won't be able to get refunds either.

The UFC should offer to accommodate those who are struggling with the change. But I doubt that happens.

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:40

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:26

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:22

USADA also lost Brocks samples mysteriously.

But regarding Jones, CSAC recommended he submit to VADA testing but because he wasn’t forced to he didn’t. Which was fishy to me because he kept reiterating that he wanted to get his image back.

He’s just so unlikeable IMO and he can’t stop cheating during what should be the his best years.

He is unlikable, but he's the best. Rules get bent for people like him. It's the way of the world.

Is he the best in the world though? He’s been cheating for his entire career. The one fight we know he was clean for he looked nowhere near his normal level.

Yet you consider Anderson legit?

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:52

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:24

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:18 I saw some fighters who are pissed off that the event has been moved to california because the state has one of the highest income tax rates in the country. So fighters will be getting a pay cut essentially because of Jones.

Sucks. But they'll get over it.

What really sucks are the fans who had made all their arrangements around it being in LV.

True. I'm guessing they won't be able to get refunds either.

Any ticket buyer can either use the ticket or get a refund.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:19

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:52

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:24

Sucks. But they'll get over it.

What really sucks are the fans who had made all their arrangements around it being in LV.

True. I'm guessing they won't be able to get refunds either.

Any ticket buyer can either use the ticket or get a refund.

I was talking more about the hotels/flights and those kind of costs.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:18

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:40

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:26
He is unlikable, but he's the best. Rules get bent for people like him. It's the way of the world.

Is he the best in the world though? He’s been cheating for his entire career. The one fight we know he was clean for he looked nowhere near his normal level.

Yet you consider Anderson legit?

This came to my mind as well...

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 17:18

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:19

Nondescript wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 13:52
True. I'm guessing they won't be able to get refunds either.

Any ticket buyer can either use the ticket or get a refund.

I was talking more about the hotels/flights and those kind of costs.

It's not that far, not to say it wouldn't be inconvenient

Bit of a no win situation for the UFC tbf, but ultimately i think once again they have made the incorrect decision. Even the casual fans seem to voicing their disapproval. And once again they are showing incredible leniency and favouritism to a fighter that seems to be just one of a select bunch that are afforded such entitlements. Next to no other fighter would be afforded the effort of what they are attempting to pull off atm.

I can appreciate that possibly Jones has done a clean camp, but his history.... preaching he's turned over a new leaf, only to trip up again and again.... i think they would have been better to cut their losses and, if needed, clear the air in the subsequent aftermath.

You see stuff like this and its no mystery why guys like Stipe, Ferguson and Woodley come across as disgruntled...

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑25 Dec 2018, 16:18

p4p1 wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:40

Impractical Poster wrote: ↑24 Dec 2018, 00:26
He is unlikable, but he's the best. Rules get bent for people like him. It's the way of the world.

Is he the best in the world though? He’s been cheating for his entire career. The one fight we know he was clean for he looked nowhere near his normal level.

Yet you consider Anderson legit?

I considered Anderson legit until he popped the second time. I thought he deserved the benefit of the doubt given the horrific injury he was coming off and his age, he would’ve been stupid not to take something while rehabbing.

His second test was from a contaminated supplement, both confirmed by USADA and WADA testing from a Brazilian pharmacy that didn’t have the stuff he tested positive for on the label. He still received a one year suspension though.

Yoel Romero proved that it was a contaminated supplement that caused him to test positive but still received a suspension.

Either way Jones has tested positive 3x so far, on top of the stories that have been circulating about him hiding from USADA testers. IIRC other than the OSP fight he hasn’t had a fight since USADA came into the UFC where he didn’t test positive for something, including a fight that was cancelled because he had a positive test.