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Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 03:29**

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Mario Trigo, May. 8, 1951
In defeating Mario Trigo at Los Angeles Olympic, Art Aragon won the California lightweight title and the dubious distinction of being the foremost contender (California version) for world title. And some of the local scribes stated that he looked the part. It was an action scrap and although not one-sided, Trigo was the recipient of much punisment. Mario was not as elusive as usual, in fact, was an easy target, but, due to poor timing, Aragon missed half his punches. Aragon, set on a kayo victory, stalked Trigo continually and had his jinx opponent hurt and wobbly several times, but couldn't put over the finisher. Trigo appeared about to cave in numerous times, but he recuperates quickly, and would always come back with a counter-attack. Mario was decked once, a short hook dropping him for a 1-count in the second.
Trigo outslugged the tired Aragon in the 8th, and came out fast in the 9th, forcing Art to give ground, but shortly after was knocked into the ropes from a left hook to the jaw. Seeing his foe was hurt, Aragon tore in with a vengeance, raining lefts and rights to Mario's head. Trigo was being badly pounded but appeared in no worst shape then on several previous occasions and the referee's action in halting the fight at this point brought forth considerable booing. Aragon looked drawn and pasty at 134 1/2, Trigo came in at 135.

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 07:12**

Armando Muniz, Gwen Adair, Lucia Rijker, Josie Mejia, Rick Farris
Lucia Rijker's WBHOF Induction -2009

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 07:36**

Has anybody heard from The Ram?....

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 10:15**

Rick Farris wrote:
coach greg v wrote:
coach greg v wrote: >Ricky those fans would not have let him leave without a police escort. I remember your 2nd fight and everybody was saying ur first effort wasn't that great but u won and they were satisfied. it was a very tough tough crowd. and we did not need teddy atlas to explain it to us....
>I want to thank you ricky and randy for a great night. I can not find people around me can talk boxing let alone understand it. I hope I did not offend Ricky when I told him that the olympic group was skeptical but boy were they with u when u had that fight july 1970. The one thing I remember about being at the olympic for the first time was that guys who I did not even know would just talk the fights. I was happy to buy these guys beers and boy the info did flow.Not that i did nto enjoy a beer myself. Also ricky if u sparred art hafey oh brother i heard he was murder on sparring partners again thanks for welcoming me in. I hope my memory gets better. ricky i know we didn't box you were a bantam me a midlleweight. thank you agsain...

We're glad to have you here, Greg.
This is for guys just like us. We have a good group, all the regulars know boxing to the bone.
We have been doing this for 3 1/2 years, have more than 37,000 posts. Nothing like this on any boxing site on the net.
If you are in California, maybe you can join us next year at the CBHOF luncheon? Best of it's kind on the West Coast!

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 11:46**

kikibalt wrote:Has anybody heard from The Ram?....

Im still around Frank ;;-) just been a bit busy with work these last couple of weeks

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 11:47**

Welcome Greg, welcome to the CAWCB

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 11:57**

Panzerfaust wrote:Welcome Greg, welcome to the CAWCB

> thank you panzer. everybody is very friendly here. It is a pleasure to share. Heres one for you guys. A few years back say 2001. I think it was a fellow coach(since my stroke memory not so good) said greg I need u to help me with this kid.Hes about 17 tough. So I say ok. I go get recertified which is such a joke its unbelievable. The night of the fight everything seems ok with the kid. the first round starts hes winning.jabbing ok using his defense. he gets tagged twice and he quits. does not just quit. but jumps off the ring apron to the floor and walks away. I just could not believe it things like that were not done in my day or even in the 80s and 90s. very humiliating for me....but i guess some guys are like that now.

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:17**

coach greg v wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Welcome Greg, welcome to the CAWCB
> thank you panzer. everybody is very friendly here. It is a pleasure to share. Heres one for you guys. A few years back say 2001. I think it was a fellow coach(since my stroke memory not so good) said greg I need u to help me with this kid.Hes about 17 tough. So I say ok. I go get recertified which is such a joke its unbelievable. The night of the fight everything seems ok with the kid. the first round starts hes winning.jabbing ok using his defense. he gets tagged twice and he quits. does not just quit. but jumps off the ring apron to the floor and walks away. I just could not believe it things like that were not done in my day or even in the 80s and 90s. very humiliating for me....but i guess some guys are like that now.

alot of guys are like that now

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:34**

Panzerfaust wrote:
coach greg v wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Welcome Greg, welcome to the CAWCB
> thank you panzer. everybody is very friendly here. It is a pleasure to share. Heres one for you guys. A few years back say 2001. I think it was a fellow coach(since my stroke memory not so good) said greg I need u to help me with this kid.Hes about 17 tough. So I say ok. I go get recertified which is such a joke its unbelievable. The night of the fight everything seems ok with the kid. the first round starts hes winning.jabbing ok using his defense. he gets tagged twice and he quits. does not just quit. but jumps off the ring apron to the floor and walks away. I just could not believe it things like that were not done in my day or even in the 80s and 90s. very humiliating for me....but i guess some guys are like that now.
alot of guys are like that now

It happened in the 1970s too. I had a pro heavyweight fighting for the state professional championship who quit in the middle of a fight. His reason? His opponent was "starting to reach [him]" and "you know, a guy can get hurt doing this."

Later, this same guy quit in a fight because his smaller, lighter, quicker opponent was "embarrassing" him. How was he embarrassing him? "He was hitting me, but I couldn't hit him."

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:41**

coach greg v wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Welcome Greg, welcome to the CAWCB
> thank you panzer. everybody is very friendly here. It is a pleasure to share. Heres one for you guys. A few years back say 2001. I think it was a fellow coach(since my stroke memory not so good) said greg I need u to help me with this kid.Hes about 17 tough. So I say ok. I go get recertified which is such a joke its unbelievable. The night of the fight everything seems ok with the kid. the first round starts hes winning.jabbing ok using his defense. he gets tagged twice and he quits. does not just quit. but jumps off the ring apron to the floor and walks away. I just could not believe it things like that were not done in my day or even in the 80s and 90s. very humiliating for me....but i guess some guys are like that now.

Greg . . . there are times when I realized I was in deep and nothing I could do seemed to help. An ass-whipping ain't fun, and I found that sometimes a guy will wear himself out and when tired, the fatigue might challenge his courage, and I might somehow pull out a win. Usually, you just get an ass-whipping and try to use the experience as a motivator to train harder, learn something new or just get over it. Quitting? A painful moment comes and goes, but the shame of quitting in a fight is something that would haunted me for life. It was never an option, something that was not in my grandfather's vocabulary, my dad was a stand-up guy, the idea of courage means something to a true fighter. My attitude was like yours, quitting was not an option. However, when we are dealing with kids, we have to realize that all of us view life differently, and God gave us those feelings of fear for a reason, to protect us. The tricky thing about being a boxer is that pain and humiliation can be a part of the game, and most can't deal with such a severe reality, so they don't last long. This has always been true. When it comes today's youth, with contemporary world champs such as Victor Ortiz comfortable "quitting" when the going gets rough, yet coming back and still commanding mega purses, then I believe the world is out of whack. After Ortiz performance against Marco Maidana, I can't believe Oscar still promotes the dog, that people will actually purchase a ticket to watch him, or even turn on the TV if he is featured. He should have his license lifted indefinitly.

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:43**

Panzerfaust wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Has anybody heard from The Ram?....
Im still around Frank ;;-) just been a bit busy with work these last couple of weeks

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:45**

raylawpc wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
coach greg v wrote: > thank you panzer. everybody is very friendly here. It is a pleasure to share. Heres one for you guys. A few years back say 2001. I think it was a fellow coach(since my stroke memory not so good) said greg I need u to help me with this kid.Hes about 17 tough. So I say ok. I go get recertified which is such a joke its unbelievable. The night of the fight everything seems ok with the kid. the first round starts hes winning.jabbing ok using his defense. he gets tagged twice and he quits. does not just quit. but jumps off the ring apron to the floor and walks away. I just could not believe it things like that were not done in my day or even in the 80s and 90s. very humiliating for me....but i guess some guys are like that now.
alot of guys are like that now
It happened in the 1970s too. I had a pro heavyweight fighting for the state professional championship who quit in the middle of a fight. His reason? His opponent was "starting to reach [him]" and "you know, a guy can get hurt doing this."

Later, this same guy quit in a fight because his smaller, lighter, quicker opponent was "embarrassing" him. How was he embarrassing him? "He was hitting me, but I couldn't hit him."

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:52**

kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote: alot of guys are like that now
It happened in the 1970s too. I had a pro heavyweight fighting for the state professional championship who quit in the middle of a fight. His reason? His opponent was "starting to reach [him]" and "you know, a guy can get hurt doing this."

Later, this same guy quit in a fight because his smaller, lighter, quicker opponent was "embarrassing" him. How was he embarrassing him? "He was hitting me, but I couldn't hit him."

That doesent sound like the the right psychological makeup for a proffesional fighter

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 12:59**

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
Frank Herbert

You gain strength, courage, and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You must do the thing which you think you cannot do.
Eleanor Roosevelt

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 13:29**

Roberto Duran sparring with Nigel Benn - 1988 . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZtTnBo6 ... ata_player

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 13:37**

Roberto Duran KO's . . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwR9aHA8 ... re=related

The greatest fighter I have ever seen, or will ever see.

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:16**

Panzerfaust wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote: It happened in the 1970s too. I had a pro heavyweight fighting for the state professional championship who quit in the middle of a fight. His reason? His opponent was "starting to reach [him]" and "you know, a guy can get hurt doing this."

Later, this same guy quit in a fight because his smaller, lighter, quicker opponent was "embarrassing" him. How was he embarrassing him? "He was hitting me, but I couldn't hit him."

That doesent sound like the the right psychological makeup for a proffesional fighter

I was reminded after reading all this about the time a fighter quit on Tony and Tony got madder then hell. Its 1964, the finals of the 1964 Jr. Golden Gloves are being held at the Valley Garden Arena. Tony is in the finals vs some long forgotten opponent. Bell rings for the first round, Tony meets his opponent in the center of the ring, hits him with a left hook...

, the opponent starts crying and walks away from Tony, he goes back to his corner and don't want to fight anymore, Tony is throwing his arms/fists in the air madder then hell, he wants to keep on fighting....

How do you explain to a 3 1/2 year old that the fight is over and that he won when he wants to keep on fighting?....

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:19**

LOL, its incredible what you can find online!! Heres a photo i forgot was taken

This is me with former light heavy contender Ole Klemetsen right after i won the jr nationals in 2003

I forgot about those ''sideburns'' ..... probably for a reason

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:21**

kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
That doesent sound like the the right psychological makeup for a proffesional fighter
I was reminded after reading all this about the time a fighter quit on Tony and Tony got madder then hell. Its 1964, the finals of the 1964 Jr. Golden Gloves are being held at the Valley Garden Arena. Tony is in the finals vs some long forgotten opponent. Bell rings for the first round, Tony meet his opponent in the center of ring, hit him with a left hook... , the opponent starts crying and walks away from Tony, he goes back to his corner and don't want to fight anymore, Tony is throwing his arms/fists in the air madder then hell, he wants to keep on fighting.... How do you explain to a 3 1/2 year old that the fight is over and that he won when he wants to keep on fighting?....

im sure that other 3 1/2 year old wasent the last to think about quitting when getting hit with that hook

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:22**

Panzerfaust wrote:LOL, its incredible what you can find online!! Heres a photo i forgot was taken

This is me with former light heavy contender Ole Klemetsen right after i won the jr nationals in 2003

I forgot about those ''sideburns'' ..... probably for a reason

You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:24**

Panzerfaust wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
raylawpc wrote: It happened in the 1970s too. I had a pro heavyweight fighting for the state professional championship who quit in the middle of a fight. His reason? His opponent was "starting to reach [him]" and "you know, a guy can get hurt doing this."

Later, this same guy quit in a fight because his smaller, lighter, quicker opponent was "embarrassing" him. How was he embarrassing him? "He was hitting me, but I couldn't hit him."

That doesent sound like the the right psychological makeup for a proffesional fighter

Ya think?

Funny thing is, although the guy got started late in life, he was actually pretty talented.

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:25**

kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:LOL, its incredible what you can find online!! Heres a photo i forgot was taken

This is me with former light heavy contender Ole Klemetsen right after i won the jr nationals in 2003

I forgot about those ''sideburns'' ..... probably for a reason
You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

that pale/greenishness is nothing compared to after i got outhustled and outmuscled by Manuels'special

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 14:33**

Rick Farris wrote:
coach greg v wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:Welcome Greg, welcome to the CAWCB
> thank you panzer. everybody is very friendly here. It is a pleasure to share. Heres one for you guys. A few years back say 2001. I think it was a fellow coach(since my stroke memory not so good) said greg I need u to help me with this kid.Hes about 17 tough. So I say ok. I go get recertified which is such a joke its unbelievable. The night of the fight everything seems ok with the kid. the first round starts hes winning.jabbing ok using his defense. he gets tagged twice and he quits. does not just quit. but jumps off the ring apron to the floor and walks away. I just could not believe it things like that were not done in my day or even in the 80s and 90s. very humiliating for me....but i guess some guys are like that now.

Greg . . . there are times when I realized I was in deep and nothing I could do seemed to help. An ass-whipping ain't fun, and I found that sometimes a guy will wear himself out and when tired, the fatigue might challenge his courage, and I might somehow pull out a win. Usually, you just get an ass-whipping and try to use the experience as a motivator to train harder, learn something new or just get over it. Quitting? A painful moment comes and goes, but the shame of quitting in a fight is something that would haunted me for life. It was never an option, something that was not in my grandfather's vocabulary, my dad was a stand-up guy, the idea of courage means something to a true fighter. My attitude was like yours, quitting was not an option. However, when we are dealing with kids, we have to realize that all of us view life differently, and God gave us those feelings of fear for a reason, to protect us. The tricky thing about being a boxer is that pain and humiliation can be a part of the game, and most can't deal with such a severe reality, so they don't last long. This has always been true. When it comes today's youth, with contemporary world champs such as Victor Ortiz comfortable "quitting" when the going gets rough, yet coming back and still commanding mega purses, then I believe the world is out of whack. After Ortiz performance against Marco Maidana, I can't believe Oscar still promotes the dog, that people will actually purchase a ticket to watch him, or even turn on the TV if he is featured. He should have his license lifted indefinitly.

>YOU hit the NAIL ON THE HEAD. Kids nowadays in this country can not simply deal with the stress and pain of boxing or life. They have no conception of sacrifice it takes in boxing. Not just the training the bad decisions and all the other crap that comes wtih amateur boxing. A former boxer that i had taken thru the amateurs asked me to come to his gym so I did. What did I see... kids running around no structure some half heartingly hitting the bags and i thought. where is the itensity the will to work hard and win. the pain of putting out. MY old coach used to talk about fire in the belly I saw none there, I compare this to a trip I took to Mexico and was invited to go to a local gym outside the federal district. Right away I knew I was in the core. The smell alone of the place. deadly serious bag work hard hitting sparring these guys had the fire the will to make money be champ. Ricky you talk of duran I know u have been close to him remember feeling the danger he radiated. very few fighters today give off that danger. When he fought up here in sf I had the honor of being near him but i felt it. the danger.the greatness. In the 90s when i coached in mission district of sf I saw it start to go downhill. drive bys we had to have massive police at the golden gloves because of gangs. I went to more funerals of young boxers than fights.

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 15:15**

kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:LOL, its incredible what you can find online!! Heres a photo i forgot was taken

This is me with former light heavy contender Ole Klemetsen right after i won the jr nationals in 2003

I forgot about those ''sideburns'' ..... probably for a reason
You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....

Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special, was the same as De La Hoya's in the corner, after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .

:(

:?? Not good!

Posted: **10 Aug 2011, 15:19**

Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:LOL, its incredible what you can find online!! Heres a photo i forgot was taken

This is me with former light heavy contender Ole Klemetsen right after i won the jr nationals in 2003

I forgot about those ''sideburns'' ..... probably for a reason
You look like you just ate a Big Manuel....
Tom, the look on the Ram's face half-way thru a Manuel's Special was the same as De La Hoya's look in the corner after eight rounds with Pacquiao . . .
:( :?? Not good!

>for the benefit of one not from so cal the big manuel is .,..

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