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coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Man I hit the mother lode of so cal boxing here.
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Yeah, you landed in the belly of the beast!

>hope to meet u guys someday buy you a beer or A BIG MANNY.

I forgot to say that at the time Tony ko John Montes, Frankie had already beaten Herman, John's brother, also in the amateurs, Frankie and Herman fought at the Press Club, Pico-Rivera.

kikibalt wrote:I forgot to say that at the time Tony ko John Montes, Frankie had already beaten Herman, John's brother, also in the amateurs, Frankie and Herman fought at the Press Club, Pico-Rivera.

A regular old family feud, boxing style. I remember the Press Club, you're talking about the Latin American Press Club at Washington and Rosemead, Right? They also had a gym there too. The place was a happening nightclub on the weekends. I had some good times there.

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:I forgot to say that at the time Tony ko John Montes, Frankie had already beaten Herman, John's brother, also in the amateurs, Frankie and Herman fought at the Press Club, Pico-Rivera.

A regular old family feud, boxing style. I remember the Press Club, you're talking about the Latin American Press Club at Washington and Rosemead, Right? They also had a gym there too. The place was a happening nightclub on the weekends. I had some good times there.

That's the place Randy...

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:I forgot to say that at the time Tony ko John Montes, Frankie had already beaten Herman, John's brother, also in the amateurs, Frankie and Herman fought at the Press Club, Pico-Rivera.

A regular old family feud, boxing style. I remember the Press Club, you're talking about the Latin American Press Club at Washington and Rosemead, Right? They also had a gym there too. The place was a happening nightclub on the weekends. I had some good times there.

> :( you guys are making me jealous up here. I have to put on my al green and bound by honer cds. I really loved going to east la going to the fights all of the time. Some real good rivalries down there.Havin a good time here. the food the beer the fights I miss it...

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote: > the picture of the boxer who tried the big manny. i think he deserves another shot at the title lol

Manny is one of those guys you either beat, or you don't.
Remy didn't, and I don't think a rematch is a consideration. Nothing like a good body shot to take a man's heart.
I doubt Ingo Johannson, even when he weighed 300 pounds, could down a Manny Special.

I KO'ed Manny once but I had youth on my side. Don't wanna rematch! I'll work the corner of anyone that want's to try.

Randy, it takes a real Eastside guy to give Manny a go.
I realize that big eaters abound world wide, but when they sit down in the barrio and see big Manny land on their table, they wanna throw in the napkin.
Most just figure, "What the Hell?" They dive in, and about half-way thru, they sit-up, take a deep breath, look at the remaining burrito, push back, smile like they're drunk and start fold. It's over. Most will push the food around a little on their plate, grab a tortilla chip and dip into the guacamole, but not eat it. They just can't answer the bell for another round.

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: Manny is one of those guys you either beat, or you don't.
Remy didn't, and I don't think a rematch is a consideration. Nothing like a good body shot to take a man's heart.
I doubt Ingo Johannson, even when he weighed 300 pounds, could down a Manny Special.

I KO'ed Manny once but I had youth on my side. Don't wanna rematch! I'll work the corner of anyone that want's to try.

Randy, it takes a real Eastside guy to give Manny a go.
I realize that big eaters abound world wide, but when they sit down in the barrio and see big Manny land on their table, they wanna throw in the napkin.
Most just figure, "What the Hell?" They dive in, and about half-way thru, they sit-up, take a deep breath, look at the remaining burrito, push back, smile like they're drunk and start fold. It's over. Most will push the food around a little on their plate, grab a tortilla chip and dip into the guacamole, but not eat it. They just can't answer the bell for another round.

> you guys are cold give the guy a chance. I always give a boxer 3 chances I know. I know. YOu are thinking sucker. OH brother we got a live one here. Well at least I know right. in the barrio where i lived for 13 years. I learned to love these guys be part of them. Go to their quinces. baptisms and funerals. at least that part has changed. they helped me too with me too with my heartaches sadness. Boxing can be a lonely sport. How many trainers are happly married a few sure. I was married to boxing long ago. OH my main point we had some rivalries up here sf vs oakland. mission vs daly city. yeah needed the cops at the gloves twice too.

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote: I KO'ed Manny once but I had youth on my side. Don't wanna rematch! I'll work the corner of anyone that want's to try.

Randy, it takes a real Eastside guy to give Manny a go.
I realize that big eaters abound world wide, but when they sit down in the barrio and see big Manny land on their table, they wanna throw in the napkin.
Most just figure, "What the Hell?" They dive in, and about half-way thru, they sit-up, take a deep breath, look at the remaining burrito, push back, smile like they're drunk and start fold. It's over. Most will push the food around a little on their plate, grab a tortilla chip and dip into the guacamole, but not eat it. They just can't answer the bell for another round.

> you guys are cold give the guy a chance. I always give a boxer 3 chances I know. I know. YOu are thinking sucker. OH brother we got a live one here. Well at least I know right. in the barrio where i lived for 13 years. I learned to love these guys be part of them. Go to their quinces. baptisms and funerals. at least that part has changed. they helped me too with me too with my heartaches sadness. Boxing can be a lonely sport. How many trainers are happly married a few sure. I was married to boxing long ago. OH my main point we had some rivalries up here sf vs oakland. mission vs daly city. yeah needed the cops at the gloves twice too.

Greg, nobody wants a rematch with Manuel!

Coffee time!!

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:A cross town rivalry between Tony and John Montes had been building up in the late '70's. Both had being getting some good amateur wins, so it was just a matter of time that they fought. On our part we were ready to fight Montes at anytime. John Montes came into the Jr program scene in the early '70's, where as Tony started in '64 and by the late '70's (1976) had already won the National Jr Olympic title, we felt that Tony was too experience for John at that point. At the time they fought Felix Villareal was the amateur matchmaker, Felix called me on a Monday and said that the Montes's wanted to fight Tony on Thursday night, I said okay, Felix then tells me that it has to be at '32, again I said okay, Tony can make '32 if that what they want I told Felix. Thursday morning we get to the weight-ins, Frankie is fighting the main against Shig Fukuyama, both Frankie and Tony made weight easy. That night before the fights started I run into my uncle Florentino, my dad's brother at the Olympic, he was with a group of Montes fans, he tells me that Tony better win as he was betting every one of his friends that was backing Montes. Tony ended the fight with a beautiful left hook in under 30 seconds of the first round. Frankie stopped Fukuyama I believe in the fourth round...

Great story Frank, it pays to stay in shape, the hallmark of a good fighter.

Thanks Randy...

Keith Kizer, head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said he encouraged referee Russell Mora to engage in consultations with the state's respected veteran referees Kenny Bayless, Tony Weeks and Joe Cortez after Mora admitted mistakes in Saturday night's International Boxing Federation bantamweight title victory by Hawaiian Garden's Abner Mares over Joseph Agbeko.
Mora isn't expect to work another major fight in Nevada this year, with the schedule including Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Victor Ortiz in September and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manquez in November.

Lance Pugmire
latimes

kikibalt wrote:Keith Kizer, head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said he encouraged referee Russell Mora to engage in consultations with the state's respected veteran referees Kenny Bayless, Tony Weeks and Joe Cortez after Mora admitted mistakes in Saturday night's International Boxing Federation bantamweight title victory by Hawaiian Garden's Abner Mares over Joseph Agbeko.
Mora isn't expect to work another major fight in Nevada this year, with the schedule including Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Victor Ortiz in September and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manquez in November.

Lance Pugmire
latimes

In the Land of Bullsh*t . . .

Athletic Commissions, promoters, networks, etc., all the agencies that might have influence over the selection of referees & ringside officials should (and likely will) black ball Mora. He is incompetent, blatantly biased and unable to think on his feet. The board of officials including Bayless, Weeks and Cortez is a joke. Just get rid of the guy, simple. He does not deserve another chance, there is big money riding on these contests, the future of of many ride on his actions, including his own. I was rooting for Mares ,and thought he deserved the decision. If there is a rematch, if I were the opponent, I believe the first punch I'd throw would be a ripping uppercut to the cajones, take my point deduction, and then get on with things. As the late, great Mel Epstein would tell me in the corner, "Make the bastid a landowner, give him a couple of achers!"

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Keith Kizer, head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said he encouraged referee Russell Mora to engage in consultations with the state's respected veteran referees Kenny Bayless, Tony Weeks and Joe Cortez after Mora admitted mistakes in Saturday night's International Boxing Federation bantamweight title victory by Hawaiian Garden's Abner Mares over Joseph Agbeko.
Mora isn't expect to work another major fight in Nevada this year, with the schedule including Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Victor Ortiz in September and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manquez in November.

Lance Pugmire
latimes

In the Land of Bullsh*t . . .

Athletic Commissions, promoters, networks, etc., all the agencies that might have influence over the selection of referees & ringside officials should (and likely will) black ball Mora. He is incompetent, blatantly biased and unable to think on his feet. The board of officials including Bayless, Weeks and Cortez is a joke. Just get rid of the guy, simple. He does not deserve another chance, there is big money riding on these contests, the future of of many ride on his actions, including his own. I was rooting for Mares ,and thought he deserved the decision. If there is a rematch, if I were the opponent, I believe the first punch I'd throw would be a ripping uppercut to the cajones, take my point deduction, and then get on with things. As the late, great Mel Epstein would tell me in the corner, "Make the bastid a landowner, give him a couple of achers!"

> that one is old ricky. I heard that a few times from billy newman and pop hall. Nowadays refs think htey are more important than the fighters . Throw the bum out.....

Baltazar Returns, Defeats Solorio on a Knockout
April 26, 1991|STEVE KRESAL

Frank Baltazar, fighting for the first time in more than two years, scored an eighth-round knockout of Mario Solorio in the junior welterweight main event in front of about 800 Thursday at the Irvine Marriott.

Baltazar (40-3-1), who last fought in March of 1989, looked slow at the outset. He had stopped fighting to take a job with an insurance company, but, once he was done training for the job, began to train to box again.

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Keith Kizer, head of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said he encouraged referee Russell Mora to engage in consultations with the state's respected veteran referees Kenny Bayless, Tony Weeks and Joe Cortez after Mora admitted mistakes in Saturday night's International Boxing Federation bantamweight title victory by Hawaiian Garden's Abner Mares over Joseph Agbeko.
Mora isn't expect to work another major fight in Nevada this year, with the schedule including Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Victor Ortiz in September and Manny Pacquiao-Juan Manquez in November.

Lance Pugmire
latimes

In the Land of Bullsh*t . . .

Athletic Commissions, promoters, networks, etc., all the agencies that might have influence over the selection of referees & ringside officials should (and likely will) black ball Mora. He is incompetent, blatantly biased and unable to think on his feet. The board of officials including Bayless, Weeks and Cortez is a joke. Just get rid of the guy, simple. He does not deserve another chance, there is big money riding on these contests, the future of of many ride on his actions, including his own. I was rooting for Mares ,and thought he deserved the decision. If there is a rematch, if I were the opponent, I believe the first punch I'd throw would be a ripping uppercut to the cajones, take my point deduction, and then get on with things. As the late, great Mel Epstein would tell me in the corner, "Make the bastid a landowner, give him a couple of achers!"

> that one is old ricky. I heard that a few times from billy newman and pop hall. Nowadays refs think htey are more important than the fighters . Throw the bum out.....

Mel might have got that one from Billy Newman, as he used to train boxers out of San Francisco in the late 60's.
Agreed, some of these refs really have a big head. They aren't stars, they are "the help". Leave the glory for the fighters!

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: In the Land of Bullsh*t . . .

Athletic Commissions, promoters, networks, etc., all the agencies that might have influence over the selection of referees & ringside officials should (and likely will) black ball Mora. He is incompetent, blatantly biased and unable to think on his feet. The board of officials including Bayless, Weeks and Cortez is a joke. Just get rid of the guy, simple. He does not deserve another chance, there is big money riding on these contests, the future of of many ride on his actions, including his own. I was rooting for Mares ,and thought he deserved the decision. If there is a rematch, if I were the opponent, I believe the first punch I'd throw would be a ripping uppercut to the cajones, take my point deduction, and then get on with things. As the late, great Mel Epstein would tell me in the corner, "Make the bastid a landowner, give him a couple of achers!"

> that one is old ricky. I heard that a few times from billy newman and pop hall. Nowadays refs think htey are more important than the fighters . Throw the bum out.....

Mel might have got that one from Billy Newman, as he used to train boxers out of San Francisco in the late 60's.
Agreed, some of these refs really have a big head. They aren't stars, they are "the help". Leave the glory for the fighters!

Some trainber anedotes. Ricky I was a very slow starter. So my people had many different ways to get me going. One was a sailors needle in the butt. The other was if I heard HIT HIM WITH YOUR PURSE ALICE!!!!that would get me going. Or in the corner LOOK AT THE LITRTLE GIRL WITH THE GOLDEN CURLS. or how about after the fight I'll buy you a creampuff. I got so mad at my corner then I would get going.....lol

Cassius Clay knocks out Archie Moore



By: Scott Harrison

Nov. 15, 1962: Cassius Clay raises his arms in triumph after knocking out Archie Moore in the fourth round of their match at the Sports Arena. Clay — who in 1964 changed his name to Mohammad Ali — had predicted he would win in the fourth round.

Los Angeles Times writer John Hall reported:

Cool and cruel Cassius Clay turned the “Battle of the Ages” into his own private Clay bake Thursday night as he amazingly erupted just as predicted to send a finished Archie Moore reeling toward retirement with a crushing fourth round knockout triumph before 16,200 dazzled fans at the Sports Arena.

Moore, hopelessly beaten from the start, went down three times in the fourth before referee Tommy Hart stopped it at 1:35 with the battered old Mongoose lying limply on his side. …

For the 11th time in his 16-0 pro career, Clay called the exact round. Against such a dangerous, experienced and proud old warrior as Archie the Mongoose it belongs in the Twilight Zone.

This photo by former Los Angeles Times staff photographer Larry Sharkey was lead art on the front page of the next morning’s Times Sports section.

Golden Boy Promotions Inks Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo


One of the most exciting fighters in the sport of boxing today, Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo has an aggressive style and knockout power that has made him a must-see competitor for years. Now, Angulo will continue his attack on the junior middleweight division as a member of the Golden Boy Promotions team, and the Mexican warrior has just one goal in mind…to win a world championship.

“I always want to give the fans a great show and I work hard to get to my goal of retiring as a world champion,” said Angulo, a former interim WBO and WBC Continental Americas junior middleweight champion. “I believe Golden Boy Promotions is the right company to further my career and achieve my goals in boxing. I can’t wait to become Golden Boy’s next world champion.”

“There are a handful of fighters who always deliver excitement whenever they’re in the ring and Alfredo Angulo is certainly one of those select few,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions. “Alfredo has already accomplished a lot in this sport, but at 29, there’s much left for him to accomplish and we’re going to be with him every step of the way as he moves from being a star to being a superstar.”

A native of Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico, Alfredo Angulo (19-1, 16 KO’s) is a 2004 Mexican Olympian who took the professional game by storm as soon as he debuted in 2005. A devastating puncher whose relentless pressure has seen him break the likes of Ricardo Cortes, Richard Gutierrez, Andrey Tsurkan and Cosme Rivera over the course of his six-year career. Angulo rebounded from the lone loss of his career via decision to Kermit Cintron in 2009 to win the interim WBO World Title just two fights later against then-unbeaten Harry Joe Yorgey. In 2010, Angulo continued to show his world-class talent with knockouts of Joel Julio and Joachim Alcine. Following Angulo reaching a settlement with his prior promoter Gary Shaw Productions, he is ready to resume his quest to rule the junior middleweight division with Golden Boy Promotions in his corner.

A date and opponent for Angulo’s Golden Boy Promotions debut will be announced shortly.

Rick Farris wrote:Golden Boy Promotions Inks Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo


One of the most exciting fighters in the sport of boxing today, Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo has an aggressive style and knockout power that has made him a must-see competitor for years. Now, Angulo will continue his attack on the junior middleweight division as a member of the Golden Boy Promotions team, and the Mexican warrior has just one goal in mind…to win a world championship.

“I always want to give the fans a great show and I work hard to get to my goal of retiring as a world champion,” said Angulo, a former interim WBO and WBC Continental Americas junior middleweight champion. “I believe Golden Boy Promotions is the right company to further my career and achieve my goals in boxing. I can’t wait to become Golden Boy’s next world champion.”

“There are a handful of fighters who always deliver excitement whenever they’re in the ring and Alfredo Angulo is certainly one of those select few,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions. “Alfredo has already accomplished a lot in this sport, but at 29, there’s much left for him to accomplish and we’re going to be with him every step of the way as he moves from being a star to being a superstar.”

A native of Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico, Alfredo Angulo (19-1, 16 KO’s) is a 2004 Mexican Olympian who took the professional game by storm as soon as he debuted in 2005. A devastating puncher whose relentless pressure has seen him break the likes of Ricardo Cortes, Richard Gutierrez, Andrey Tsurkan and Cosme Rivera over the course of his six-year career. Angulo rebounded from the lone loss of his career via decision to Kermit Cintron in 2009 to win the interim WBO World Title just two fights later against then-unbeaten Harry Joe Yorgey. In 2010, Angulo continued to show his world-class talent with knockouts of Joel Julio and Joachim Alcine. Following Angulo reaching a settlement with his prior promoter Gary Shaw Productions, he is ready to resume his quest to rule the junior middleweight division with Golden Boy Promotions in his corner.

A date and opponent for Angulo’s Golden Boy Promotions debut will be announced shortly.

The Dog . . .

They were able sign him cheap. He has limited options due to his status in the U.S.
He will make for a perfect opponent for Oscar's higher-end 155 pounders, such Alvarez & Chavez Jr.
Both could fight him in Mexico and do well at the box-office, assuring an easy, moderatly competitive match.
Why else would he be interested the dog?

Rick Farris wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Golden Boy Promotions Inks Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo


One of the most exciting fighters in the sport of boxing today, Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo has an aggressive style and knockout power that has made him a must-see competitor for years. Now, Angulo will continue his attack on the junior middleweight division as a member of the Golden Boy Promotions team, and the Mexican warrior has just one goal in mind…to win a world championship.

“I always want to give the fans a great show and I work hard to get to my goal of retiring as a world champion,” said Angulo, a former interim WBO and WBC Continental Americas junior middleweight champion. “I believe Golden Boy Promotions is the right company to further my career and achieve my goals in boxing. I can’t wait to become Golden Boy’s next world champion.”

“There are a handful of fighters who always deliver excitement whenever they’re in the ring and Alfredo Angulo is certainly one of those select few,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions. “Alfredo has already accomplished a lot in this sport, but at 29, there’s much left for him to accomplish and we’re going to be with him every step of the way as he moves from being a star to being a superstar.”

A native of Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico, Alfredo Angulo (19-1, 16 KO’s) is a 2004 Mexican Olympian who took the professional game by storm as soon as he debuted in 2005. A devastating puncher whose relentless pressure has seen him break the likes of Ricardo Cortes, Richard Gutierrez, Andrey Tsurkan and Cosme Rivera over the course of his six-year career. Angulo rebounded from the lone loss of his career via decision to Kermit Cintron in 2009 to win the interim WBO World Title just two fights later against then-unbeaten Harry Joe Yorgey. In 2010, Angulo continued to show his world-class talent with knockouts of Joel Julio and Joachim Alcine. Following Angulo reaching a settlement with his prior promoter Gary Shaw Productions, he is ready to resume his quest to rule the junior middleweight division with Golden Boy Promotions in his corner.

A date and opponent for Angulo’s Golden Boy Promotions debut will be announced shortly.

The Dog . . .

They were able sign him cheap. He has limited options due to his status in the U.S.
He will make for a perfect opponent for Oscar's higher-end 155 pounders, such Alvarez & Chavez Jr.
Both could fight him in Mexico and do well at the box-office, assuring an easy, moderatly competitive match.

I don't think much of him, but I think he beats both Chavez Jr. and Alvarez...just my opinion...

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:Golden Boy Promotions Inks Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo


One of the most exciting fighters in the sport of boxing today, Alfredo “El Perro” Angulo has an aggressive style and knockout power that has made him a must-see competitor for years. Now, Angulo will continue his attack on the junior middleweight division as a member of the Golden Boy Promotions team, and the Mexican warrior has just one goal in mind…to win a world championship.

“I always want to give the fans a great show and I work hard to get to my goal of retiring as a world champion,” said Angulo, a former interim WBO and WBC Continental Americas junior middleweight champion. “I believe Golden Boy Promotions is the right company to further my career and achieve my goals in boxing. I can’t wait to become Golden Boy’s next world champion.”

“There are a handful of fighters who always deliver excitement whenever they’re in the ring and Alfredo Angulo is certainly one of those select few,” said Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions. “Alfredo has already accomplished a lot in this sport, but at 29, there’s much left for him to accomplish and we’re going to be with him every step of the way as he moves from being a star to being a superstar.”

A native of Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico, Alfredo Angulo (19-1, 16 KO’s) is a 2004 Mexican Olympian who took the professional game by storm as soon as he debuted in 2005. A devastating puncher whose relentless pressure has seen him break the likes of Ricardo Cortes, Richard Gutierrez, Andrey Tsurkan and Cosme Rivera over the course of his six-year career. Angulo rebounded from the lone loss of his career via decision to Kermit Cintron in 2009 to win the interim WBO World Title just two fights later against then-unbeaten Harry Joe Yorgey. In 2010, Angulo continued to show his world-class talent with knockouts of Joel Julio and Joachim Alcine. Following Angulo reaching a settlement with his prior promoter Gary Shaw Productions, he is ready to resume his quest to rule the junior middleweight division with Golden Boy Promotions in his corner.

A date and opponent for Angulo’s Golden Boy Promotions debut will be announced shortly.

The Dog . . .

They were able sign him cheap. He has limited options due to his status in the U.S.
He will make for a perfect opponent for Oscar's higher-end 155 pounders, such Alvarez & Chavez Jr.
Both could fight him in Mexico and do well at the box-office, assuring an easy, moderatly competitive match.

I don't think much of him, but I think he beats both Chavez Jr. and Alvarez...just my opinion...

We'll see, Frank? You can bet he'll be facing one or both of them. I say both beat the dog clearly . . . my opinion.
I am aware that J.C. Chavez Jr. can't fight, and the other guy is fighting hams.
The ring name, "El Perro", just doesn't inspire confidence.

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: The Dog . . .

They were able sign him cheap. He has limited options due to his status in the U.S.
He will make for a perfect opponent for Oscar's higher-end 155 pounders, such Alvarez & Chavez Jr.
Both could fight him in Mexico and do well at the box-office, assuring an easy, moderatly competitive match.

I don't think much of him, but I think he beats both Chavez Jr. and Alvarez...just my opinion...

We'll see, Frank? You can bet he'll be facing one or both of them. I say both beat the dog clearly . . . my opinion.
I am aware that J.C. Chavez Jr. can't fight, and the other guy is fighting hams.
The ring name, "El Perro", just doesn't inspire confidence.

> ricky the powers that be are going to make those two (chavez jr and alvarez)champions. you know it as well as i...

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote: I don't think much of him, but I think he beats both Chavez Jr. and Alvarez...just my opinion...

We'll see, Frank? You can bet he'll be facing one or both of them. I say both beat the dog clearly . . . my opinion.
I am aware that J.C. Chavez Jr. can't fight, and the other guy is fighting hams.
The ring name, "El Perro", just doesn't inspire confidence.

> ricky the powers that be are going to make those two (chavez jr and alvarez)champions. you know it as well as i...

I also know that the dog is 29 and has a lot of scar tissue. Just a handfull of fights, lots of bad skin.
Certainly a factor when you looking to get your fighter a win.
Of course, a puncher always has a chance, especially with an untested chin in Chavez Jr. and a guy like Canelo, who can be tagged. Thats' what makes it interesting, and why we will watch it. But I still don't think that's going to happen before Perro starts to bleed. You know Oscar won't let him lose before lining up something more lucrative, so they'll feed El Perro a little ham too, I'd imagine. Gotta grease the machine.

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: We'll see, Frank? You can bet he'll be facing one or both of them. I say both beat the dog clearly . . . my opinion.
I am aware that J.C. Chavez Jr. can't fight, and the other guy is fighting hams.
The ring name, "El Perro", just doesn't inspire confidence.

> ricky the powers that be are going to make those two (chavez jr and alvarez)champions. you know it as well as i...

I also know that the dog is 29 and has a lot of scar tissue. Just a handfull of fights, lots of bad skin.
Certainly a factor when you looking to get your fighter a win.
Of course, a puncher always has a chance, especially with an untested chin in Chavez Jr. and a guy like Canelo, who can be tagged. Thats' what makes it interesting, and why we will watch it. But I still don't think that's going to happen before Perro starts to bleed. You know Oscar won't let him lose before lining up something more lucrative, so they'll feed El Perro a little ham too, I'd imagine. Gotta grease the machine.

You know those pretty boys sell tickets....