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Just another white collie/ unlicensed scam as far as am consernd, can't believe how much therd has takin up. Don't give this eny more exposure than needs be

[quote="dw01"]You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.[/quote

The licence holders do have a say if they are not happy there is plenty of other bodies they can go to MBC and ebf for example basically if modernisation means forgoing board safety regulations which are the best in the world in search of extra money for promotors etc you are deluded mate if you are not happy shopping at morrisons go to sainsburys or Tesco I am not having a pop at you personally but ever since the board was formed in 1929 other organisations have started up in competition to them I would agree that changes are needed at the board but I carnt accept that these changes should include changes to the board medical procedures etc these are put in place for the safety of the boxer which is surely what the board is all about

Just noticed that GBA are sanctioning a show at York Hall. Thoughts on this? Better/Worse/Same?

spudder56 wrote:

dw01 wrote:You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.[/quote

The licence holders do have a say if they are not happy there is plenty of other bodies they can go to MBC and ebf for example basically if modernisation means forgoing board safety regulations which are the best in the world in search of extra money for promotors etc you are deluded mate if you are not happy shopping at morrisons go to sainsburys or Tesco I am not having a pop at you personally but ever since the board was formed in 1929 other organisations have started up in competition to them I would agree that changes are needed at the board but I carnt accept that these changes should include changes to the board medical procedures etc these are put in place for the safety of the boxer which is surely what the board is all about

Morrison's wouldn't ban you from their stores for going somewhere else though would they?

The Insider wrote:

spudder56 wrote:

dw01 wrote:You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.[/quote

The licence holders do have a say if they are not happy there is plenty of other bodies they can go to MBC and ebf for example basically if modernisation means forgoing board safety regulations which are the best in the world in search of extra money for promotors etc you are deluded mate if you are not happy shopping at morrisons go to sainsburys or Tesco I am not having a pop at you personally but ever since the board was formed in 1929 other organisations have started up in competition to them I would agree that changes are needed at the board but I carnt accept that these changes should include changes to the board medical procedures etc these are put in place for the safety of the boxer which is surely what the board is all about

Morrison's wouldn't ban you from their stores for going somewhere else though would they?

No but they could choose to if they wished.

leejonesjnr wrote:Just noticed that GBA are sanctioning a show at York Hall. Thoughts on this? Better/Worse/Same?

Out of interest, are the BBBofC threatening to black-ball any boxers who take part ?

bripez wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:Just noticed that GBA are sanctioning a show at York Hall. Thoughts on this? Better/Worse/Same?

Out of interest, are the BBBofC threatening to black-ball any boxers who take part ?

The same rules apply to all none BBBoC approved shows so yes.

leejonesjnr wrote:
No but they could choose to if they wished.

Highly unlikely.

On what grounds?

The Insider wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:
No but they could choose to if they wished.

Highly unlikely.

On what grounds?

No grounds required. I can refuse entry to any of my places of business to anyone I wish.
Seems a bizarre point to argue over though, of course a supermarket would never exercise this.

leejonesjnr wrote:

The Insider wrote:

leejonesjnr wrote:
No but they could choose to if they wished.

Highly unlikely.

On what grounds?

No grounds required. I can refuse entry to any of my places of business to anyone I wish.
Seems a bizarre point to argue over though, of course a supermarket would never exercise this.

Your places of business aren't a supermarket. Unless you own one?

Do you own Morrison's?

I'm just highlighting what a bad example the supermarket scenario is. It has nothing to do with E.U directives on employment law, the right to earn a living and acting in ones best interest to do this unhindered and without intimidation.

I used an Aldi carrier bag in ASDA recently and got (what can only be described as) a fiery look from the girl serving me.

Think on

Tristram Shandy wrote:I used an Aldi carrier bag in ASDA recently and got (what can only be described as) a fiery look from the girl serving me.

Think on

To be fair,you did have your cock out at the time

handsofstone wrote:

Tristram Shandy wrote:I used an Aldi carrier bag in ASDA recently and got (what can only be described as) a fiery look from the girl serving me.

Think on

To be fair,you did have your cock out at the time

The Insider wrote: Highly unlikely.

On what grounds?

No grounds required. I can refuse entry to any of my places of business to anyone I wish.
Seems a bizarre point to argue over though, of course a supermarket would never exercise this.[/quote]

Your places of business aren't a supermarket. Unless you own one?

Do you own Morrison's?

I'm just highlighting what a bad example the supermarket scenario is. It has nothing to do with E.U directives on employment law, the right to earn a living and acting in ones best interest to do this unhindered and without intimidation.[/quote]

I assume that you are just pretending to think that any retail business can refuse service to any consumer, supermarkets are not a special case.

Not sure i follow.

Its not strictly the service. Its access to the property in reality. If you own the property you can have who you want on it. As I said earlier the Supermarket analogy is a bad one.

The Insider wrote:Not sure i follow.

Its not strictly the service. Its access to the property in reality. If you own the property you can have who you want on it. As I said earlier the Supermarket analogy is a bad one.

Meh, the whole thing is a complicated situation.

Was talking to a medical practitioner over the weekend and he said that the "doctor" who took part in the Belfast MBC show on March 14 (and was involved because the main event ended on a cut) was not registered to practice as a doctor. Can anybody comment on this?

steve689 wrote:Was talking to a medical practitioner over the weekend and he said that the "doctor" who took part in the Belfast MBC show on March 14 (and was involved because the main event ended on a cut) was not registered to practice as a doctor. Can anybody comment on this?

Ok mate can you help us out with some more details?

What does medical practitioner mean exactly? - I am guessing it doesn't mean doctor otherwise you would have said doctor.

How did you happen to be speaking to them?

Are you sure that the person you refer to was masquerading as a doctor - I.e. Was it a person who is not a medical doctor claiming to be a medical doctor?

What do you mean exactly by "took part" in a show - in what capacity was this? / what exactly did they do?

How were they "involved"? - did they actually examine or treat a boxer?

How do you know that this person was "not registered to practice as a doctor" - and even do you know that they were claiming to do so ?

We're any other medical staff present at the show?

Did the medical presence meet the MBC regulations?

steve689 wrote:Was talking to a medical practitioner over the weekend and he said that the "doctor" who took part in the Belfast MBC show on March 14 (and was involved because the main event ended on a cut) was not registered to practice as a doctor. Can anybody comment on this?

Doctor was Robert McConnell according to the MBC article, there's a Dr Robert McConnell registered with the GMC, on the specialist register as a neurosurgeon, got his degree from Queens University in Belfast.

spudder56 wrote:

dw01 wrote:You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.[/quote

The licence holders do have a say if they are not happy there is plenty of other bodies they can go to MBC and ebf for example basically if modernisation means forgoing board safety regulations which are the best in the world in search of extra money for promotors etc you are deluded mate if you are not happy shopping at morrisons go to sainsburys or Tesco I am not having a pop at you personally but ever since the board was formed in 1929 other organisations have started up in competition to them I would agree that changes are needed at the board but I carnt accept that these changes should include changes to the board medical procedures etc these are put in place for the safety of the boxer which is surely what the board is all about

Where has it been said about changing the Board's medical policies?


I think the backbone of the issue is that the Board is expensive, and seem to be very political and out of touch with the boxers themselves. Many promoters have said that licence holders don't have a say in how, or who, runs the board. Is that not odd?

leejonesjnr wrote:

dw01 wrote:You do know that there are a number of other bodies now trying to infiltrate the UK scene?

I personally think that if the BBBoC don't modernise themselves, and by that i mean actually let the licence-holders have a say in who actually runs the organisation, then i think they will begin to fall apart. There's many promoters now opting for the likes of the WBO-Europe European title, or the EBA's version, which i believe at one time were part of, or associated with, the WBA.

What does the WBO European title have to do with it? They are contested in the UK under the BBBoC.
EBA is long since dead, it was the WBAs European title.

I was not aware that the Board sanctioned WBO European titles, I thought they mainly advocated the EBU version. Glad to be proven wrong. My point was merely highlighting that there's more options out there for boxers instead of the old BBBoC>EBU route that seems to be the norm. But it's when you question the norm that you begin to see the politics behind it all.



Why was the Luxembourg Federation kicked out of the EBU at the request of the BBBoC?


Come on let's get real. The BBBoC simply don't want another licensing body in what they see as their 'territory'. They are more than happy to allow foreign boxers to operate on Board events (for a fee), and permit Board licensed boxers to fight abroad, but they don't like it if that foreign boxer's licensing body try to sanction shows in the UK. That is the top and bottom of it.

They use the guise of 'safety', when it's simply about control.

expe wrote:

steve689 wrote:Was talking to a medical practitioner over the weekend and he said that the "doctor" who took part in the Belfast MBC show on March 14 (and was involved because the main event ended on a cut) was not registered to practice as a doctor. Can anybody comment on this?

Doctor was Robert McConnell according to the MBC article, there's a Dr Robert McConnell registered with the GMC, on the specialist register as a neurosurgeon, got his degree from Queens University in Belfast.

Fair enough. I'm only asking the question. I would like to think that proper medical provisions were made as standard.

The Belfast main event ended on a cut. was it caused by a punch or a head butt? If it was heads then do MBC bouts go to the cards?

There is a saying about the public getting the politicians it deserves. Reading some of the comments posted in this thread, no wonder the sport is in a mess, if people cannot see the obvious. The board is far from perfect but anyone forming a rival organisation is in it purely for themselves. Seems all they have to do is pay lip service to 'safety' and 'competition' and some folk fall for it.

JimJim2009 wrote:There is a saying about the public getting the politicians it deserves. Reading some of the comments posted in this thread, no wonder the sport is in a mess, if people cannot see the obvious. The board is far from perfect but anyone forming a rival organisation is in it purely for themselves. Seems all they have to do is pay lip service to 'safety' and 'competition' and some folk fall for it.

Yep, this isn't a FIFA situation where it needs to be ripped apart and started all over again, changes need to be made, but not by throwing everything into chaos for the sake of a few quid.

dw01 wrote:

Come on let's get real. The BBBoC simply don't want another licensing body in what they see as their 'territory'. They are more than happy to allow foreign boxers to operate on Board events (for a fee), and permit Board licensed boxers to fight abroad, but they don't like it if that foreign boxer's licensing body try to sanction shows in the UK. That is the top and bottom of it.

They use the guise of 'safety', when it's simply about control.

That is exactly as I see it.

I have been boring myself for the past dozen pages .... my first (and only) question is - will this sanctioning body have at least the same medical criteria as we currently have ?

If the answer is yes, then crack on. If the answer is no, then I do not agree that they should be allowed to operate.

I still don't know why others passionately disagree with this ?