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TheDarkDestroyer wrote:Wouldn't mind seeing Kell fight Canelo.

Would be a competitive fight.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Loynesy wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Anyone else call the injury when t happened?

Most of the folks near me winced when it landed. I thought it was just a cheekbone. My old man immediately said "serious".

I told Mrs Hangover it was the eye socket, like Dempsey against Willard. She agreed. I love that my woman knows more about Jack Dempsey than most boxing fans.

lol poor old Willard's injury was slightly worse than Brook's.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

mike john wrote:i take issue carl froch and anyone else saying "if brook were a middleweight" it would be a different story etc. has golovkin not been doing dishing out beatings like this to middleweights for years then?

The middles GGG's been squashing are second raters. Brook is a first rater, but a welter.

i don't see why golovkins punches wouldn't have had the same effect on a middleweight version of kell, its not as if being naturally bigger would help brook do a better job of avoiding them.

confidently stating that the outcome would be different if kell were a middleweight is laughable

lefty wrote: Am I salty? No, it's just a fact. You wouldn't see Golovkin moving up to 175 to fight Ward like Brook moved up to 160 to fight GGG.

You might have if he had to torture himself to get down to 160 the way Kell did for 147 and not be 5lbs from weight 30 days out.

ThereByTheGrace wrote:Brook is an utter fanny!

Why? Because he got his arse reamed?

A welterweight titlist against the best middleweight in the world was only going to end one way. Love to know how many suckers paid Fast Eddie and Sky for this.

Shirow wrote:

lefty wrote: Am I salty? No, it's just a fact. You wouldn't see Golovkin moving up to 175 to fight Ward like Brook moved up to 160 to fight GGG.

You might have if he had to torture himself to get down to 160 the way Kell did for 147 and not be 5lbs from weight 30 days out.

The size difference was noticeable in the ring tonight though.

skanksta wrote:Paulie makes a good point there - 154lbs has the most talent and the smallest purses.
Better to lose to GGG and be a hero than the (to casuals) 'unknowns' like Landy, Boo-Boo Andrade etc.

It's got to be cash out vs Khan - @ catch weight ?

Yes.

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote: Am I salty? No, it's just a fact. You wouldn't see Golovkin moving up to 175 to fight Ward like Brook moved up to 160 to fight GGG.

Because GGG is a Middleweight and that's his best fighting weight. Why should he move up in weight?

Well brook didn't need to either but he did. Also Golovkin is supposed to be this monster who beat up Kovalev in sparring- surely he's good enough to do it?

Just because YOU CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

I could see GGG walking through Ward
Defo a 50/50 imo

mike john wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

mike john wrote:i take issue carl froch and anyone else saying "if brook were a middleweight" it would be a different story etc. has golovkin not been doing dishing out beatings like this to middleweights for years then?

The middles GGG's been squashing are second raters. Brook is a first rater, but a welter.

i don't see why golovkins punches wouldn't have had the same effect on a middleweight version of kell, its not as if being naturally bigger would help brook do a better job of avoiding them.

confidently stating that the outcome would be different if kell were a middleweight is laughable

If you don't understand how being a naturally smaller man can hinders one's ability to absorb the punches of a larger man then you are a lost cause.

skanksta wrote:Paulie makes a good point there - 154lbs has the most talent and the smallest purses.
Better to lose to GGG and be a hero than the (to casuals) 'unknowns' like Landy, Boo-Boo Andrade etc.

It's got to be cash out vs Khan - @ catch weight ?

WTF are you on? Cash out? He's got one loss to his name FFS. Why the hell would he cash out? Utter balls.

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Because GGG is a Middleweight and that's his best fighting weight. Why should he move up in weight?

Well brook didn't need to either but he did. Also Golovkin is supposed to be this monster who beat up Kovalev in sparring- surely he's good enough to do it?

Just because YOU CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

Just like he wouldn't go to 168 to fight Ward when he was competing at the weight but he would go to 168 to fight anyone else at that weight class.

BTW I'm surprised so many here gave Brook the round in which his eye was busted. GGG did by far the most damage and was landing well with the left that round...

Tuan_Jim wrote:

mike john wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:
The middles GGG's been squashing are second raters. Brook is a first rater, but a welter.

i don't see why golovkins punches wouldn't have had the same effect on a middleweight version of kell, its not as if being naturally bigger would help brook do a better job of avoiding them.

confidently stating that the outcome would be different if kell were a middleweight is laughable

If you don't understand how being a naturally smaller man can hinders one's ability to absorb the punches of a larger man then you are a lost cause.

So Brook has a suspected fractured eye socket because he's normally a welterweight? What the fvck are you on?

crusader wrote:BTW I'm surprised so many here gave Brook the round in which his eye was busted. GGG did by far the most damage and was landing well with the left that round...

I gave Brook that round
Depends what you like, volume or damage

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote: Well brook didn't need to either but he did. Also Golovkin is supposed to be this monster who beat up Kovalev in sparring- surely he's good enough to do it?

Just because YOU CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

Just like he wouldn't go to 168 to fight Ward when he was competing at the weight but he would go to 168 to fight anyone else at that weight class.

So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.

Got to say though he took GGG shots well....

As soon as you park the subjective desire to frame the Brit fighter in the best light possible it becomes a fairly routine GGG defence - by the end of the fight he looked like he'd been in a sparring session and in his own mild-mannered fashion he explained Brook clearly wasn't a Middleweight i.e. he felt in complete control and able to walk him down. I think he tried to walk through him at first and underestimated Kell's skill and willingness to trade, but while I thought Brook showed great heart and some slick moves, did anyone honestly feel that at any point it was anything more than just a matter of time? As others have said, as soon as GGG settled down into a constant stalk you felt a sense of inevitability about it.

Switch hitter wrote:Got to say though he took GGG shots well....

His eye didn't

keithmoonhangover wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

mike john wrote:
i don't see why golovkins punches wouldn't have had the same effect on a middleweight version of kell, its not as if being naturally bigger would help brook do a better job of avoiding them.

confidently stating that the outcome would be different if kell were a middleweight is laughable

If you don't understand how being a naturally smaller man can hinders one's ability to absorb the punches of a larger man then you are a lost cause.

So Brook has a suspected fractured eye socket because he's normally a welterweight? What the fvck are you on?

Not what you seem to be discussing. Run along Keith, I'm not interested in anything you have to say.

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Just because YOU CAN do something doesn't mean you should.

Just like he wouldn't go to 168 to fight Ward when he was competing at the weight but he would go to 168 to fight anyone else at that weight class.

So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.

Because the current middleweight division is full of B and C class fighters. It's a weak division right now.

gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.

I can't stand it.

Golovkin should only move up if he completely cleans house at middleweight. Which he's nowhere near done so far.

gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.

100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.

Deserter wrote:As soon as you park the subjective desire to frame the Brit fighter in the best light possible it becomes a fairly routine GGG defence - by the end of the fight he looked like he'd been in a sparring session and in his own mild-mannered fashion he explained Brook clearly wasn't a Middleweight i.e. he felt in complete control and able to walk him down. I think he tried to walk through him at first and underestimated Kell's skill and willingness to trade, but while I thought Brook showed great heart and some slick moves, did anyone honestly feel that at any point it was anything more than just a matter of time? As others have said, as soon as GGG settled down into a constant stalk you felt a sense of inevitability about it.

This, just a matter of time
Khan was probably beating canelo at the time of ko, but less expected

lefty wrote:

rd350lc wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
I thought GGG looked a bit buzzed from that uppercut in the 2nd

too much ale lefty ?

That's gil you plonker.