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Prime Liston eats him alive.

Liston obviously was a fighter of much earlier era, however, the overall skillset level in his time had already been pretty high, furthermore Liston himself was a very progressive boxer. His offensive skills were great, he really could put a pressure on his opponents. He had a very good jab, which could establish an opportunity to develop combinations. It also could have helped Liston to get inside with such big opponent like Joshua. Joshua's size is his main advantage. Joshua isn't too smart, but he can use his jab and keep the distance in a fight against a smaller boxer with good punching power. However, for the moment Joshua has never met really good small punchers near to Liston's class. So, the main question is could Sonny get inside without being caught and for the moment it looks like he could. Liston obviously had a power to knock AJ out. So right now I'd pick Liston.

I would hesitate to call Povetkin small because by the standards of most previous eras he was big but he is close to the size of the bigger 70s heavyweights and seems to have considerable skill. I would say he is a "smaller" heavyweight with the skillset to match heavyweights of previous generations. Tomasz Adamek is another skilled smaller man who moved up to heavyweight but found he couldn't beat the best big men.

In addition to the guys who have failed another thing I find highly compelling are all the talented guys at light heavyweight and cruiserweight who opt not to move up like ATG Andre Ward, Dmitry Bivol and Artur Beterbiev. If the heavyweights division was weak like people are suggesting they would be eager to tangle with the top heavies.

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 07:54 Liston obviously was a fighter of much earlier era, however, the overall skillset level in his time had already been pretty high, furthermore Liston himself was a very progressive boxer. His offensive skills were great, he really could put a pressure on his opponents. He had a very good jab, which could establish an opportunity to develop combinations. It also could have helped Liston to get inside with such big opponent like Joshua. Joshua's size is his main advantage. Joshua isn't too smart, but he can use his jab and keep the distance in a fight against a smaller boxer with good punching power. However, for the moment Joshua has never met really good small punchers near to Liston's class. So, the main question is could Sonny get inside without being caught and for the moment it looks like he could. Liston obviously had a power to knock AJ out. So right now I'd pick Liston.

Liston was beaten by a Light Heavyweight (Marshall).. Sonny was a Cruiserweight at the time but well into his 20's.. He spent several years in prison. Nobody knows how old he was... Liston was only 6'1" and smaller than Povetkin, yet he was a "monster" in his day.. Everyone feared him cuz they lacked the size and strength do deal with him.

Olympic Gold Medal winner, Povetkin, didn't have a prayer in Hell against a 37-year-old Klitschko who was very near to his peak.. At only 36 Ali looked slow and completely ridiculous trying to hit a 197-pound greenhorn named Leon Spinks.. Ali didn't run out of gas.. He was beaten handily by a fast and rather dumb greenie who lacked world class skills.

Ali only fought Leon Spinks to DUCK Larry Holmes, a 210-pound 6'3" Heavyweight with superb speed, jab, and boxing skills.. Ali ducked the best.. There is no getting around the truth that Ali was a light hitter.. As soon as Ali fought guys like Norton, Holmes, and Frazier (Smokin' was short and stubby, but at least he had a left hook) Ali met with defeat after defeat... Povetkin, Haye, and Chambers had more skill, speed, and cleverness than awkward swingers like Ken Norton. who crossed his arms and gave you his head to shoot at...subsequently getting hammered out quickly 4 times.

Liston never face opponents as big, powerful. and resilient as Joseph Parker, Carlos Takem, Dominic Breazeale, Wladimir Klitschko, or Dillian Whyte who is currently 23-1 and highly ranked - but was savaged by Joshua... BTW, don't trot out punching bag Cleveland Williams.... Williams was knocked dead in the 1st round by chinny Light Heavyweight Bob Stallings when he had 30 fights... Williams was an unskilled, easy to hit tomato can with no coaching.

Joshua is way ahead of Klitschko at the same age... He has far stronger coaching and training at this stage... He has a far stronger aptitude for boxing... Saying AJ's only asset is size and strength is stupid... AJ beat several super sized Super Heavyweights in the Olympic Games of 2012 who had much more experience... Joshua won the Super Stars Competition against other super athletes... Joe Frazier and Ken Norton looked like ridiculous fools trying to compete with world class athletes and finishing in last place.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 13:29

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 07:54 Liston obviously was a fighter of much earlier era, however, the overall skillset level in his time had already been pretty high, furthermore Liston himself was a very progressive boxer. His offensive skills were great, he really could put a pressure on his opponents. He had a very good jab, which could establish an opportunity to develop combinations. It also could have helped Liston to get inside with such big opponent like Joshua. Joshua's size is his main advantage. Joshua isn't too smart, but he can use his jab and keep the distance in a fight against a smaller boxer with good punching power. However, for the moment Joshua has never met really good small punchers near to Liston's class. So, the main question is could Sonny get inside without being caught and for the moment it looks like he could. Liston obviously had a power to knock AJ out. So right now I'd pick Liston.

Liston was beaten by a Light Heavyweight (Marshall).. Sonny was a Cruiserweight at the time but well into his 20's.. He spent several years in prison. Nobody knows how old he was... Liston was only 6'1" and smaller than Povetkin, yet he was a "monster" in his day.. Everyone feared him cuz they lacked the size and strength do deal with him.

Olympic Gold Medal winner, Povetkin, didn't have a prayer in Hell against a 37-year-old Klitschko who was very near to his peak.. At only 36 Ali looked slow and completely ridiculous trying to hit a 197-pound greenhorn named Leon Spinks.. Ali didn't run out of gas.. He was beaten handily by a fast and rather dumb greenie who lacked world class skills.

Ali only fought Leon Spinks to DUCK Larry Holmes, a 210-pound 6'3" Heavyweight with superb speed, jab, and boxing skills.. Ali ducked the best.. There is no getting around the truth that Ali was a light hitter.. As soon as Ali fought guys like Norton, Holmes, and Frazier (Smokin' was short and stubby, but at least he had a left hook) Ali met with defeat after defeat... Povetkin, Haye, and Chambers had more skill, speed, and cleverness than awkward swingers like Ken Norton. who crossed his arms and gave you his head to shoot at...subsequently getting hammered out quickly 4 times.

Liston never face opponents as big, powerful. and resilient as Joseph Parker, Carlos Takem, Dominic Breazeale, Wladimir Klitschko, or Dillian Whyte who is currently 23-1 and highly ranked - but was savaged by Joshua... BTW, don't trot out punching bag Cleveland Williams.... Williams was knocked dead in the 1st round by chinny Light Heavyweight Bob Stallings when he had 30 fights... Williams was an unskilled, easy to hit tomato can with no coaching.

Joshua is way ahead of Klitschko at the same age... He has far stronger coaching and training at this stage... He has a far stronger aptitude for boxing... Saying AJ's only asset is size and strength is stupid... AJ beat several super sized Super Heavyweights in the Olympic Games of 2012 who had much more experience... Joshua won the Super Stars Competition against other super athletes... Joe Frazier and Ken Norton looked like ridiculous fools trying to compete with world class athletes and finishing in last place.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

I don't know, how Ali's choice of opponents at the last stages of his career is related to the topic (as well as some other examples), but talking about Joshua and his amateur experience - first of all, his Olympic run is that perfect only on paper, considering that he was awarded the victory in the final with the help of the judges. Furthermore, he is not a completed boxer not only after amateur career, but even after becoming a champ in the pros. He looked as if he didn't know what to do for the biggest part of Klitschko fight. Even in his last bout against Parker he was unsure in his actions. So, as a boxer, he still needs much work to do.

That's completely wrong and biased thinking... Joshua dominated the undefeated Parker who's been boxing since he was 6 years old... AJ showed a quicker and more accurate jab in that fight than Ali or Liston ever showed and finished unmarked against his strongest and most skilled young opponent... AJ wasn't gifted in the Olympics... Those were international judges and he won all his fights unless you're a hater...

Joshua knew what to do versus Klitschko who was one of greatest finishers ever... Klitschko didn't land a single devastating follow up punch.. Joshua ducked and dodged all the bombs (unlike Pulev who had his head handed to him by Klitschko).. Joshua was talking to Klitschko as Wlad went for the finish.. AJ was in control.. He finished the fight scoring 3 knockdowns and a punishing Championship Rounds stoppage featuring blistering combinations that Liston never threw.

Ali is relevant... He's the ONLY tall, fast, comparably sized (to Liston) opponent Liston ever faced... Every other Liston foe was super small, super slow, or a virtual punching bag... Liston couldn't put them all (Machen) away... Machen was easy to hit with straight rights and the inept 196-pound Ingemar Johansson iced Machen in the 1st round... Liston's record of 4 losses in an era of super small Heavyweights isn't impressive... AJ would have destroyed those guys.

AJ's domination of the Super Stars Competition is relevant - because Ken Norton and Joe Frazier were such terrible athletes when matched up against other great athletes... They finished last... Ali refused to do Super Stars... He would have been exposed as a worse athlete than Norton or Frazier... It's well known that Ali had no foot speed or coordination trying to play basketball or other sports so he would clown around to divert attention from his lack of athleticism.

So when we're talking about eras, Liston had nobody to beat... Who did Liston ever beat who was remotely close to Joshua in height, weight, reach, speed, strength, skill, and punching power?? NOBODY!!!!!!

Obviously Dillian Whyte, who is 6'4" X 250 and a lot bigger and taller than Liston is a remarkable athlete... He has a great jab, good movement, and good skills... In addition to Heavyweights who Joshua has already vanquished, there are future opponents who Joshua will face -- who will test AJ in a manner that Liston was never tested in his life...

The I96-pound Leotis Martin who was wiped out in previous fights was NOT a test... But Liston still didn't pass it.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 15:11 That's completely wrong and biased thinking... Joshua dominated the undefeated Parker who's been boxing since he was 6 years old... AJ showed a quicker and more accurate jab in that fight than Ali or Liston ever showed and finished unmarked against his strongest and most skilled young opponent... AJ wasn't gifted in the Olympics... Those were international judges and he won all his fights unless you're a hater...

Biased thinking is praising Joshua like you do, accepting his image suggested by the media. Your love to AJ is bigger than a reason. The age, when Parker began boxing, is an awesome proof of his class. You better watch, how he performed in his 3 fights before Joshua. And talking about Olympics - its judging has always been pretty crappy, so you are again biased to accept their results as if that's an undisputed opinion.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 15:11 Joshua knew what to do versus Klitschko who was one of greatest finishers ever... Klitschko didn't land a single devastating follow up punch.. Joshua ducked and dodged all the bombs (unlike Pulev who had his head handed to him by Klitschko).. Joshua was talking to Klitschko as Wlad went for the finish.. AJ was in control.. He finished the fight scoring 3 knockdowns and a punishing Championship Rounds stoppage featuring blistering combinations that Liston never threw.

Being outclassed for the most of the rounds and being lucky to catch a man with 10+ knockdowns through the career - what an excellent control of the fight.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 15:11 It's well known that Ali had no foot speed

Stopped reading after that.

It's true.... Ali had fancy footwork, but often ended up on the ropes taking a bad beating... In a footrace Ali was easily beaten by anyone fast.... You would know this fact if you knew a lot about Ali ... which you don't..

Parker starting at a young age shows his vast experience... Parker won his fights against skillful Heavyweights before he fought Joshua and was thoroughly out boxed... He wasn't outboxed by Ruiz, Takam, or Fury... He couldn't take them out, but that just proves they had good defenses and could stand up to punishment... That's a positive in opponents.

People are ALWAYS going to dispute things according to their bias... Olympic scoring has been bad on occasion.

But Olympic judging has gotten better... Joshua's Gold Medal bout is available for viewing and he did enough to win... There are a lot of people who hate Mayweather... They scream that Floyd lost to Jose Luis Castillo... Oscar De La Hoya... Marcos Maidana... and Manny Pacquiao... Did Floyd lose all those fights or are those the blatherings of biased haters???

Also, I don't accept image making... I knew Joshua was the real deal when he first turned pro... The potential was there.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 16:14 There are a lot of people who hate Mayweather... They scream that Floyd lost to Jose Luis Castillo... Oscar De La Hoya... Marcos Maidana... and Manny Pacquiao... Did Floyd lose all those fights or are those the blatherings of biased haters???

The first good thought for today. However, Castillo fight was disputable indeed, but no way in the case of the others.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 16:14 I knew Joshua was the real deal when he first turned pro... The potential was there.

And the second one. Yes, Joshua is the real deal, he has potential and he is a one of today's elite, but he is far from being perfect, he is still developing, he has some flaws and he has been given some dividends in advance.

Joshua is not as badly flawed as Muhammad Ali or Sonny Liston were.

Ali was wide open for left hooks....and he ate jabs... Ali had no body attack... Ali had no inside game... Ali frequently languished on the ropes taking a beating. You'll never see that from Joshua... Ali pulled straight back from punches and got nailed with looping shots, getting his jaw busted... Ali's footwork was more flash and showmanship than functional.

Liston lacked the rounds and fights he needed to keep his game sharp... He only had 3 shortened rounds in 3 years ahead of the Clay fight... Liston ate right counters off his jab and you could see that versus Zora Folley who hit Liston with 20 right hand counters dead on the chin before he got knocked out... Joshua has one of the best right hand counters in history... Also Liston tended to put a power jab out there...which is a jab you can pick up and it's easy to counter.

Liston obviously didn't have the competition that Joshua is facing... Albert Westphal and Floyd Patterson are your only fights in 3 years??? .... That's just not enough to keep anybody sharp - especially against a killer like Joshua.

Anthony Joshua's flaws? .... His game is damned tight at this point... He'll get a lot better in all areas, because he's obsessed with being the best....but he's really hard to nail with a good shot... Ali got riddled with punches and never really improved his game or defense that much... Liston got hit with about everything.

Ali had a much, much better opposition, than Joshua had for the moment. Joshua has faced only one elite boxer and he was outboxed then, he was dropped for the first time in his pro-career.

In the fight before Liston, Ali got dropped by a 185-pound Heavyweight with 11 or so losses and who was knocked out numerous times... The guy was a terrible bleeder which saved Ali... Also getting nailed just before the bell saved him.

Joshua was nailed by a 6'7" X 240 pound ATG for the only knockdown of his career... He wasn't outboxed and was easily leading on ALL SCORECARDS heading into the 11th round... He won the 11th easily finishing Klitschko in brutal fashion.

Ali never beat a similar opponent in his life and neither did Liston... There just were any Klitschko's to fight back then.

There were Cooper's .... who nearly blew Ali away.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 17:22 Joshua was nailed by a 6'7" X 240 pound ATG for the only knockdown of his career... He wasn't outboxed and was easily leading on ALL SCORECARDS heading into the 11th round... He won the 11th easily finishing Klitschko in brutal fashion.

He was outboxed and actually 2 of the judges had been too idiotic (or paid) to score the fight for AJ, the other one was scoring good. Telling that AJ had an easy fight that night is being dumb AJ fanboy or just blind.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 17:22 There were Cooper's .... who nearly blew Ali away.

You telling as if Cooper was Ali's only opponent. Joshua has never met the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Liston, Lyle, Patterson and even Ellis, Shavers or Quarry. Klitschko was his only real test.

If your comparing eras you have to look at both sides of the issue. The way I see it Hasim Rahman's knockout win over Lewis cancels out Sanders win over Wladimir. Lewis is generally regarded as the best heavyweight of his era yet he gets kayoed by someone from the Klitschko era who barely even rates in the top 10 and might be outside it depending on how one rates the era.

DrDuke wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 17:48

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 17:22 Joshua was nailed by a 6'7" X 240 pound ATG for the only knockdown of his career... He wasn't outboxed and was easily leading on ALL SCORECARDS heading into the 11th round... He won the 11th easily finishing Klitschko in brutal fashion.

He was outboxed and actually 2 of the judges had been too idiotic (or paid) to score the fight for AJ, the other one was scoring good. Telling that AJ had an easy fight that night is being dumb AJ fanboy or just blind.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 17:22 There were Cooper's .... who nearly blew Ali away.

You telling as if Cooper was Ali's only opponent. Joshua has never met the likes of Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Liston, Lyle, Patterson and even Ellis, Shavers or Quarry. Klitschko was his only real test.

You're BLIND... Look at Klitschko's face and Joshua's face if you can't count scoring punches... Joshua was much more effective and scoring 3 X the knockdowns... Klitschko was getting RIPPED with combinations... Joshua was winning the fight on 2 cards which overrules the idiot if you don't know... Idiot judge Wiessfeld would even have Joshua ahead at the end -- since Joshua was progressing with a 3-point round when it was stopped to save Wladimir's life... Klitschko was spent and Joshua had gas to spare in the 11th...

IF Wladimir survived the 11th all 3 judges would have Joshua ahead -- even the reluctant Klitschko loving Wiessfeld.

Cooper wasn't Ali's only opponent... but in the fight before that Ali was outboxed by Doug Jones and got a gift decision... He also got many other gift decisions besides losing 5 X.... The only great boxer Ali's size Ali ever fought was Larry Holmes... and Holmes out landed Ali 382 to 4.... That wasn't a representative fight, but Ali never looked real sharp on defense.

Frazier ripped Ali with left hooks and floored Ali for his 3rd knockdown... Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw... Ali frequently ended up on the ropes getting riddled with punches non-stop... He was no Floyd Mayweather.

BTW... I didn't say Klitschko was an easy fight for AJ.... Quote me correctly...

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 18:16 You're BLIND... Look at Klitschko's face and Joshua's face if you can't count scoring punches... Joshua was much more effective and scoring 3 X the knockdowns... Klitschko was getting RIPPED with combinations... Joshua was winning the fight on 2 cards which overrules the idiot if you don't know... Idiot judge Wiessfeld would even have Joshua ahead at the end -- since Joshua was progressing with a 3-point round when it was stopped to save Wladimir's life... Klitschko was spent and Joshua had gas to spare in the 11th...

IF Wladimir survived the 11th all 3 judges would have Joshua ahead -- even the reluctant Klitschko loving Wiessfeld.

The presence of cuts doesn't describe the process of the fight. Prior to the 11th Klitschko was better.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 18:16 Cooper wasn't Ali's only opponent... but in the fight before that Ali was outboxed by Doug Jones and got a gift decision... He also got many other gift decisions besides losing 5 X.... The only great boxer Ali's size Ali ever fought was Larry Holmes... and Holmes out landed Ali 382 to 4.... That wasn't a representative fight, but Ali never looked real sharp on defense.

Frazier ripped Ali with left hooks and floored Ali for his 3rd knockdown... Ken Norton broke Ali's jaw... Ali frequently ended up on the ropes getting riddled with punches non-stop... He was no Floyd Mayweather.

BTW... I didn't say Klitschko was an easy fight for AJ.... Quote me correctly...

Doug Jones gave Ali hell and so what? That's somehow depreciates Ali's wins over ATG fighters? Frazier ripped Ali and that's just what he could do to Joshua, because he was a one of those elite boxers Ali had faced, while Joshua hasn't yet.

Frazier would get murdered by Joshua... When has AJ ever been floored by a left hook??? Whyte caught him with a big left hook and he didn't go down like Ali, wasn't shaken like Ali was, and didn't grab and hold on like Ali always did... and destroyed Whyte with a savage right uppercut to end him... the same punch Foreman ruined Frazier with.

Frazier never fought anyone as big and powerful as AJ... the biggest he messed with was 6'3" X 217 Foreman.... Don't tell me about all the big, fat guys Frazier fought like Blubber Mathis.

Frazier damned near got killed by the only big, tall, powerful, and rock-hard man he ever fought.... Which is generally what happens to a 5'11" X 205 swinger who loads up and tries to walk right through everybody's punches fights a big, tall, powerhouse puncher... The oddsmakers were clueless. They had Frazier a 4-1 favorite based off his Ali win.

The Doug Jones fight was significant because Jones was a Light Heavyweight and Ali couldn't light him up or get him out.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 16:14 It's true.... Ali had fancy footwork, but often ended up on the ropes taking a bad beating... In a footrace Ali was easily beaten by anyone fast.... You would know this fact if you knew a lot about Ali ... which you don't..

Parker starting at a young age shows his vast experience... Parker won his fights against skillful Heavyweights before he fought Joshua and was thoroughly out boxed... He wasn't outboxed by Ruiz, Takam, or Fury... He couldn't take them out, but that just proves they had good defenses and could stand up to punishment... That's a positive in opponents.

People are ALWAYS going to dispute things according to their bias... Olympic scoring has been bad on occasion.

But Olympic judging has gotten better... Joshua's Gold Medal bout is available for viewing and he did enough to win... There are a lot of people who hate Mayweather... They scream that Floyd lost to Jose Luis Castillo... Oscar De La Hoya... Marcos Maidana... and Manny Pacquiao... Did Floyd lose all those fights or are those the blatherings of biased haters???

Also, I don't accept image making... I knew Joshua was the real deal when he first turned pro... The potential was there.

You really don't understand the difference between prime and old Ali do you? Their were no Klitschkos. Just Foreman who wouldve wrecked Klitschko and Joshua on the same night.

I don't think Foreman would do well in the current era. Foreman didn't have great defense and was used to being the bigger, stronger man. I don't think Foreman would enjoy being the smaller, weaker man in the ring. It's doubtful Foreman's power would have the same impact against the big men of today that it had back in the 70s. What happens when Joshua starts landing on Foreman? Foreman has never faced a puncher of Joshua's calibre. He was badly hurt and nearly stopped by Lyle.

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 20:01 I don't think Foreman would do well in the current era. Foreman didn't have great defense and was used to being the bigger, stronger man. I don't think Foreman would enjoy being the smaller, weaker man in the ring. It's doubtful Foreman's power would have the same impact against the big men of today that it had back in the 70s. What happens when Joshua starts landing on Foreman? Foreman has never faced a puncher of Joshua's calibre. He was badly hurt and nearly stopped by Lyle.

He still beat Lyle. Being shorter and lighter doesn't necessarily make him weaker. He would do just fine today with little comp. He surely doesn't get stretched out by the guys that clubbed Wlad. But point taken. Joshua appears really strong. Being 1-2 inches shorter and 15-20 pounds lighter than many if these guys wouldn't keep him from wrecking them.

MrGuy wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 19:50

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 16:14 It's true.... Ali had fancy footwork, but often ended up on the ropes taking a bad beating... In a footrace Ali was easily beaten by anyone fast.... You would know this fact if you knew a lot about Ali ... which you don't..

Parker starting at a young age shows his vast experience... Parker won his fights against skillful Heavyweights before he fought Joshua and was thoroughly out boxed... He wasn't outboxed by Ruiz, Takam, or Fury... He couldn't take them out, but that just proves they had good defenses and could stand up to punishment... That's a positive in opponents.

People are ALWAYS going to dispute things according to their bias... Olympic scoring has been bad on occasion.

But Olympic judging has gotten better... Joshua's Gold Medal bout is available for viewing and he did enough to win... There are a lot of people who hate Mayweather... They scream that Floyd lost to Jose Luis Castillo... Oscar De La Hoya... Marcos Maidana... and Manny Pacquiao... Did Floyd lose all those fights or are those the blatherings of biased haters???

Also, I don't accept image making... I knew Joshua was the real deal when he first turned pro... The potential was there.

You really don't understand the difference between prime and old Ali do you? Their were no Klitschkos. Just Foreman who wouldve wrecked Klitschko and Joshua on the same night.

wonderful fan boy and Klitschko hater.... Just like George wrecked 211 pound feather hitting Jimmy Young...

Foreman couldn't box green bananas... He'd get his ass jabbed off and knocked cold.

MrGuy wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 20:22

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 20:01 I don't think Foreman would do well in the current era. Foreman didn't have great defense and was used to being the bigger, stronger man. I don't think Foreman would enjoy being the smaller, weaker man in the ring. It's doubtful Foreman's power would have the same impact against the big men of today that it had back in the 70s. What happens when Joshua starts landing on Foreman? Foreman has never faced a puncher of Joshua's calibre. He was badly hurt and nearly stopped by Lyle.

He still beat Lyle. Being shorter and lighter doesn't necessarily make him weaker. He would do just fine today with little comp. He surely doesn't get stretched out by the guys that clubbed Wlad. But point taken. Joshua appears really strong. Being 1-2 inches shorter and 15-20 pounds lighter than many if these guys wouldn't keep him from wrecking them.

No... Just crackling jabs and right hands in the face would.... George never slipped a punch yet... And he was 3 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter than Joshua.... He'd get eaten alive like Dominic Breazeale who also doesn't slip punches.

Kalan wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 20:37

MrGuy wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 20:22

Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑27 Apr 2018, 20:01 I don't think Foreman would do well in the current era. Foreman didn't have great defense and was used to being the bigger, stronger man. I don't think Foreman would enjoy being the smaller, weaker man in the ring. It's doubtful Foreman's power would have the same impact against the big men of today that it had back in the 70s. What happens when Joshua starts landing on Foreman? Foreman has never faced a puncher of Joshua's calibre. He was badly hurt and nearly stopped by Lyle.

He still beat Lyle. Being shorter and lighter doesn't necessarily make him weaker. He would do just fine today with little comp. He surely doesn't get stretched out by the guys that clubbed Wlad. But point taken. Joshua appears really strong. Being 1-2 inches shorter and 15-20 pounds lighter than many if these guys wouldn't keep him from wrecking them.

No... Just crackling jabs and right hands in the face would.... George never slipped a punch yet... And he was 3 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter than Joshua.... He'd get eaten alive like Dominic Breazeale who also doesn't slip punches.

Your to hung up on the scale. He was a big man himself. The guy looked bigger than he actually was. Point is from Wlad until now, he wouldn't have much comp. Don't even compare Breazeale to an ATG. You keep throwing out weights without bringing up the fact from Wlad Klinchko until now, the larger heavies have been dreadful.

I'm not hung up on anything. Weight advantages are REAL... It's not an advantage when you can't slip punches or box well like Breazeale... Foreman had the same problems and that's why little feather punching Jimmy Young beat George.. Young was not as clever a boxer as Joshua and got hit more.. Young couldn't even beat Ossie Ocasio -- but he beat a guy like George Foreman who couldn't box green apples in his 1st career and wore himself out swinging at shadows...

Foreman couldn't hit a clever boxer but he could plow a wide open target like lil' Smokin' -- who was a short stubby lil' swinger... I'm sure being a lot bigger than Smokin' helped George a lot.. Things like this are common sense.