Somehow it didn't make the rest of the fight competetive.
Competitive or not, it wasn't a boring fight. Stop changing the wording.
What did I change? Or are those some new hallucinations after seeing enjoyable fight in Ruiz-Arreola?
First you said it was boring. I said it was wasn't a classic but it was far from boring.
Then you said Arreola went lethargic. So I posted the punch stats mentioning Chris averaged around 40-45 punches per round.
Then after seeing the punchstats you said non-competitive. Never said it was competitive other than the first two/three rounds and some moments after that.
Trying to get cute with that post doesn't change anything. Just refreshing your memory, bruh.
oogiebe wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 13:59
Competitive or not, it wasn't a boring fight. Stop changing the wording.
What did I change? Or are those some new hallucinations after seeing enjoyable fight in Ruiz-Arreola?
First you said it was boring. I said it was wasn't a classic but it was far from boring.
Then you said Arreola went lethargic. So I posted the punch stats mentioning Chris averaged around 40-45 punches per round.
Then after seeing the punchstats you said non-competitive. Never said it was competitive other than the first two/three rounds and some moments after that.
Trying to get cute with that post doesn't change anything. Just refreshing your memory, bruh.
It looks like you are just enough silly not to understand the points.
There were no change of points, there are two separate points.
#1. Arreola wasn't doing enough, that's why I called him lethargic.
#2. Fight wasn't competetive.
I didn't change a one for another, I added a one to another.
What did I change? Or are those some new hallucinations after seeing enjoyable fight in Ruiz-Arreola?
First you said it was boring. I said it was wasn't a classic but it was far from boring.
Then you said Arreola went lethargic. So I posted the punch stats mentioning Chris averaged around 40-45 punches per round.
Then after seeing the punchstats you said non-competitive. Never said it was competitive other than the first two/three rounds and some moments after that.
Trying to get cute with that post doesn't change anything. Just refreshing your memory, bruh.
It looks like you are just enough silly not to understand the points.
There were no change of points, there are two separate points.
#1. Arreola wasn't doing enough, that's why I called him lethargic.
#2. Fight wasn't competetive.
I didn't change a one for another, I added a one to another.
Be a smarter boy next time.
Oh ok sure. Sorry you found it boring. LMFAO!
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 15:29
by joe strong
I just watched the fight this morning after knowing the results & reading comments. I then watched Arreola’s foul mouthed interview ripping the judges. Arreola is one of my all time favourite HWs.
2 things I didn’t know until I watched this fight were that Arreola was down to 228 which is the lightest I have seen him in over a decade & that this fight was a WBA title eliminator. Not sure how Arreola would be able to participate in an eliminator but then again if Lovejoy can be ranked #15 in the WBA & Oquendo still eligible for a title shot not fighting since 2014 nothing surprises me from the WBA anymore.
The judging wasn’t as far off as Arreola claimed. I scored the fight 117-110 for Ruiz. I only gave Arreola rounds 2 & 3 with the extra point from the KD. When he hurt his arm in the 7th or 8th round he stopped throwing the left hook & pawed with his jab. Ruiz completely took over at that point. Good fight but not as close as Arreola & some claimed. That is just my opinion of course. No rematch needed as Ruiz clearly won.
I think Arreola still has a few fights in him but they will be secondary fights or against some younger HW on the move. He is a solid gatekeeper like Chisora. I’d love to see Arreola/Chisora...
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 15:29
by JxhDel.
If I was Omar Figueroa, I would retire right now. He is in shambles.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 16:15
by margaret thatcher
the early scare aside.........andy still ended up with a bloody nose, bloody mouth, and swollen eye after those rounds. he never once hurt arreola either. for a guy recently talked up as an elite hw, it simply wasnt that level of performance. more like lower top 10
it was another showing that is in reality closer to his actual ability and place in the division. keep in mind arreola is a guy who could barely beat travis kauffman and lost like 10 rounds to kownacki.
andy is good but back to life, back to reality
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 16:16
by margaret thatcher
JxhDel. wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 15:29
If I was Omar Figueroa, I would retire right now. He is in shambles.
agree, he looked utterly terrible
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 16:18
by margaret thatcher
as for how good a fight it was
i enjoyed it okay.....but that was mostly due to the shock of rounds 2 and 3, and the outside chance it might happen again. if the whole fight went like the other rounds did, it would've been a bit meh for me.
outside 2 and 3 most of the rounds were pretty uneventful. arreola wouldnt engage much and andy couldnt do any damage
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 18:37
by gregregegg
candyslim wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 10:54
I can't really think of an alternative explanation.
Luck basicaly, (some would rather call it timing and precision) . It’s often the explanation. Shots that are almost identical sometimes do nothing, sometimes wobble and sometimes flatten people. A punch being an inch up down left right combined with a fighter being well braced a bit braced, floppy neck, rolling, ect.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 20:05
by snake33
I am not saying Chris won, he didn't but the scoring was very biased.
Scoring is the weak point in boxing.
Anyway, he knocked Ruiz down and deserved more than one round.
That's me finished.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 02 May 2021, 20:29
by Finkel
snake33 wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 20:05
I am not saying Chris won, he didn't but the scoring was very biased.
Scoring is the weak point in boxing.
Anyway, he knocked Ruiz down and deserved more than one round.
That's me finished.
The scores seem very reasonable based on these highlights:
Please no more talk about the KD in R2. It didn't happen
candyslim wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 10:54
I can't really think of an alternative explanation.
Luck basicaly, (some would rather call it timing and precision) . It’s often the explanation. Shots that are almost identical sometimes do nothing, sometimes wobble and sometimes flatten people. A punch being an inch up down left right combined with a fighter being well braced a bit braced, floppy neck, rolling, ect.
That's an interesting point, I remember listening to a decorated soldier talking about courage. He was basically saying that the amount of courage you possess isn't fixed, it's a variable, and you can use it up like you can stamina.
So while it's possible to say this person is braver or fitter than that person, one can demonstrate impressive levels of both or one can eventually run out of these qualities no matter how high their starting point, if pushed hard enough, or some days you just have more than other days. Call it 'bio-rythms' or whatever you like.
So Is punch resistance also a variable quality? Well I'm no expert but it seems to me it's different in that you have a good chin or you don't. Punch resistance can improve as a young fighter matures and gets his 'man-strength' and it generally deteriorates over time as a result of punishment taken or simply the ageing process. This can happen overnight or as a gradual erosion, or even not at all. I should add that I used the term 'good chin' but you can have a great chin and still be susceptible to punches elsewhere on the head.
In conclusion I don't believe that punch resistance fluctuates, rather it continues to mature to a point and later to deteriorate, the trend is in one direction. I do accept two identical punches in the same place don't necessarily have the same effect, though maybe there are other forces at play, maybe psychological? Mental fortitude is closely related to courage as I pontificated about above, or maybe given we don't understand it, maybe we just call it luck.
I suspect though that the weight-loss is the likely explanation in this instance. Sorry to waffle on at length, Jesus I'm like my wife with a telephone.
candyslim wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 10:54
I can't really think of an alternative explanation.
Luck basicaly, (some would rather call it timing and precision) . It’s often the explanation. Shots that are almost identical sometimes do nothing, sometimes wobble and sometimes flatten people. A punch being an inch up down left right combined with a fighter being well braced a bit braced, floppy neck, rolling, ect.
That's an interesting point, I remember listening to a decorated soldier talking about courage. He was basically saying that the amount of courage you possess isn't fixed, it's a variable, and you can use it up like you can stamina.
So while it's possible to say this person is braver or fitter than that person, one can demonstrate impressive levels of both or one can eventually run out of these qualities no matter how high their starting point, if pushed hard enough, or some days you just have more than other days. Call it 'bio-rythms' or whatever you like.
So Is punch resistance also a variable quality? Well I'm no expert but it seems to me it's different in that you have a good chin or you don't. Punch resistance can improve as a young fighter matures and gets his 'man-strength' and it generally deteriorates over time as a result of punishment taken or simply the ageing process. This can happen overnight or as a gradual erosion, or even not at all. I should add that I used the term 'good chin' but you can have a great chin and still be susceptible to punches elsewhere on the head.
In conclusion I don't believe that punch resistance fluctuates, rather it continues to mature to a point and later to deteriorate, the trend is in one direction. I do accept two identical punches in the same place don't necessarily have the same effect, though maybe there are other forces at play, maybe psychological? Mental fortitude is closely related to courage as I pontificated about above, or maybe given we don't understand it, maybe we just call it luck.
I suspect though that the weight-loss is the likely explanation in this instance. Sorry to waffle on at length, Jesus I'm like my wife with a telephone.
Not saying the punch resistance is variable saying the punch landing is. Being a good fighter allows you to land more punches to where your aiming. But not exactly where your aiming, just in an area (better you are smaller the area). Land one shot in the absolute perfect spot it can scramble a brain. An inch across someone just wears it. Same with timing, land it the exact millisecond someone isn’t braced or rolling does a lot more too.
Landing a punch perfect spot perfect Timing basicaly everyone takes a nap it’s just soo many variables have to line up for it to happen. Can’t think of any boxing right of the top of my head, but I remember in ufc anderson silver getting just tapped and getting knocked, yet he has taken bombs in his career befor and after.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 08:10
by lazboy
Sugar Ray Leonard on punch resistance said he believes it’s something you need to train. He explained that when he was absent from training for long stretches, his body lost the ability to take a shot as well as it could. He was able to get this resistance back though by taking shots in training again. But you have to have it first. Amir Khans not going to be able to train to improve his punch resistance.
That’s what I suspect with Ruiz. He was focused on weight loss rather than hard sparring.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 09:25
by candyslim
Whatever the true explanation, my respect bordering on awe, for Andy's punch resistance has taken a severe body blow ... if you'll forgive the pun.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 09:44
by emallini
Why do people think Ruiz had an iron chin in the first place? Just the AJ fight?
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 09:46
by margaret thatcher
emallini wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 09:44
Why do people think Ruiz had an iron chin in the first place? Just the AJ fight?
probably, same fight that had people thinking he was a massive puncher
emallini wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 09:44
Why do people think Ruiz had an iron chin in the first place? Just the AJ fight?
probably, same fight that had people thinking he was a massive puncher
He was only hurting AJ, when he was putting his combinations together. I don’t know who thought he had massive punch power lol.
His speed and accuracy is what overwhelmed AJ.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 11:01
by margaret thatcher
dudes had him stopping pretty much everyone in the division outside wilder and fury
but when you cant even drop shot sergey liakhovich or alex dimitrenko, youre not a serious banger. couldnt put a dent in arreola now either. tbf though, i think by now everyone realises that there was a bit of an andy craze and that the aj fight was flattering
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 11:05
by Bandog
Ruiz in my opinion was a bit lucky to catch AJ coming in with a good hook that he never recovered from. Credit to him though for doing what no one else could, and had the belts for a while.
He's not a great heavyweight, but is good. Lower top 20 probably. Ortiz or Wilder will probably KO him if he fights one of them next. I say that because Ortiz's father recently predicted he would beat both of them.
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 11:06
by margaret thatcher
Bandog wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 11:05
Ruiz in my opinion was a bit lucky to catch AJ coming in with a good hook that he never recovered from. Credit to him though for doing what no one else could, and had the belts for a while.
He's not a great heavyweight, but is good. Lower top 20 probably. Ortiz or Wilder will probably KO him if he fights one of them next. I say that because Ortiz's father recently predicted he would beat both of them.
lol, you and your love of mr peds ortiz, you love mentioning manny and peds but luis gets off clean doesnt he
old luis just beats bums these days, hasnt won a significant fight in years, let's see him try it vs andy
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 12:16
by candyslim
emallini wrote: ↑03 May 2021, 09:44
Why do people think Ruiz had an iron chin in the first place? Just the AJ fight?
I can only speak for myself but that right hand left hook combo from AJ would have floored anyone, and I do mean anyone. Obviously that's opinion not fact but Joshua can really hit, and that following left hook was sweet as anything. I remember thinking 'he's not getting up from that' but he just looked shocked, blinked a bit, and got up. He then proceeded to eat everything AJ threw at him in a premature effort to apply the coup-de-grace, and then beat the bejesus out of Joshua.
Nobody had put Ruiz down before which is perhaps unsurprising given the quality (or absence thereof) of Andy's previous opponents, Parker excepted. You must have seen the knockdown. Were you not impressed by his recovery?
Re: Andy Ruiz Jr. vs. Chris Arreola - May 1, 2021
Posted: 03 May 2021, 12:24
by margaret thatcher
would we say aj, parker, and arreola were his best opponents, the only ones worth a damn?
2 of them dropped him
granted, i still think his chin is okay enough, and he recovered reasonably fast, but he's no ironman
snake33 wrote: ↑02 May 2021, 20:05
I am not saying Chris won, he didn't but the scoring was very biased.
Scoring is the weak point in boxing.
Anyway, he knocked Ruiz down and deserved more than one round.
That's me finished.
The scores seem very reasonable based on these highlights:
Please no more talk about the KD in R2. It didn't happen
Laugh like an idiot if you want but there was a short right hand in round two that
knocked Ruiz down and was called a knockdown.
That's reality. Not fan fantasy.
Oh ok sure. Sorry you found it boring. LMFAO!