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In continuation of my Paddy Monaghan post.....It benefits Mr Joynes Topliffe to have such a great "world champion" at his bkb events, where the old man struts around in his boxing gown parading his fake belt (much like Bobby Gunn's !) as if he is some sort of innovator ! He is nothing but a complete fraud and joke ! Putting his claims into some kind of contempory context, Bartley Gorman only fought on these isles (Great Britain) and fought in the same period, yet there are numerous articles from numerous papers across the country highlighting his exploits, yet we have a "world champion" who fought all over the world, but mainly in the same country (Great Britain) and there is not a SINGLE PIECE of evidence outside of what he claims, not a SINGLE newspaper article even over here in the UK !!!

Seems they are now trying to get a film made about his extraordinary life titled "The rough diamond" which was of course his fighting name !
It will of course only amount to another piece of trashy memorabilia that Paddy and his family of con artists can use to fleece their gullible and unsuspecting "fans" who actually believe in all his bullshit and pay good money for it, seems they can buy t-shirts with "Paddy Monaghan bkb middleweight champion of the world" emblazoned across them, and coffee mugs with the same fraudulent slogan......"mugs" how apt !

U guys worry about this shit too much. They are fights in carparks ffs

I agree with whats been said about Paddy Monaghan total fake ,everyone knows that tho ,even the people close to him just pacify paddy !
As for Bobby Gunn i got nothing but respect for him ,the man boxed at world level an regardless of what you think of his BKB belt at least he's fought BKB an won one or two,which is more than can be said about Paddy Monaghan

I watched Dave Radford vs James 'gypsy boy' Mcrory last night as my mate had met them at a show and said they could do a bit...was surprised at Mcrorys skills and balence for such an overweight guy. Still of a poor standard compared to pro or Ams boxers.

Homicide Henry, what's your thought's on the legendary "bkb middleweight champion of the world" Paddy Monaghan ???

CiganoBoxer wrote:I agree with whats been said about Paddy Monaghan total fake ,everyone knows that tho ,even the people close to him just pacify paddy !
As for Bobby Gunn i got nothing but respect for him ,the man boxed at world level an regardless of what you think of his BKB belt at least he's fought BKB an won one or two,which is more than can be said about Paddy Monaghan

Not quite everyone around him pacifies him over his claims...His son is trying to get a film released about his "bkb career" and shot a documentary with none other than James Quinn Mcdonagh about him being in James' own words "one of the greatest bareknuckle fighter's to come out of England" People like Andy Joynes Topliffe, previously of BBAD and now doing Field Rage, will go so far as to threaten people online who seek to expose the truth behind all of the complete bullshit being claimed about him ! Why ? Because as I mentioned earlier he is closely linked with his family as he is dating his daughter, but the main reason is MONEY !!! The amount of money they can scam out of the few mugs out there that quite literally "buy into his b.s" is neglible, but it must amount to at least something ! An extra income on the side to supplement whatever else they earn doing Field Rage/Monaghan's prize fighters etc, plus over many years the extra money made selling "Paddy Monaghan" memorobillia would surely add up ! Then there is the film....Who knows ? If the bullcrap about Paddy snowballs, that could amount to a tidy sum ! Even the documentary James did with Paddy's son about Paddy was sold on a pay per view basis ! Ok they are never going to fool the world about this crap and become millionares from it, but fraud is still fraud, and people still believe in this rubbish enough to buy his tat !

Could we steer this thread onto actual bare knuckle fighters?

All that's been talked about for a while are frauds like Rufus and Monaghan et al...there's enough actual bare knuckle boxers out there fighting legit matches that we don't need to give these fantasists the space

Bruce Lee would have had them all!

theres plenty of fights up and down the country, kent, darlington, wisbech, peterborough, if you know you know if you don't you don't

not under any promotion name like bbad, just two men got a problem and they get to it. alot never make it onto "youtube" because alot don't care about all that because its to settle personal scores between two men, some videos get sent round whatsapp groups and that and of course some do make it onto youtube but theres only a handful on youtube with decent men fighting .

alot of people subscibe to youtube accounts and think they are clued up on all the rows whats going on where in truth alot more rows go on that don't even make it anywhere near the internet

Oiky wrote:theres plenty of fights up and down the country, kent, darlington, wisbech, peterborough, if you know you know if you don't you don't

not under any promotion name like bbad, just two men got a problem and they get to it. alot never make it onto "youtube" because alot don't care about all that because its to settle personal scores between two men, some videos get sent round whatsapp groups and that and of course some do make it onto youtube but theres only a handful on youtube with decent men fighting .

alot of people subscibe to youtube accounts and think they are clued up on all the rows whats going on where in truth alot more rows go on that don't even make it anywhere near the internet

Who's the best bare knuckle in Yorkshire, Oiky?

palooka wrote:

Oiky wrote:theres plenty of fights up and down the country, kent, darlington, wisbech, peterborough, if you know you know if you don't you don't

not under any promotion name like bbad, just two men got a problem and they get to it. alot never make it onto "youtube" because alot don't care about all that because its to settle personal scores between two men, some videos get sent round whatsapp groups and that and of course some do make it onto youtube but theres only a handful on youtube with decent men fighting .

alot of people subscibe to youtube accounts and think they are clued up on all the rows whats going on where in truth alot more rows go on that don't even make it anywhere near the internet

Who's the best bare knuckle in Yorkshire, Oiky?

couldln't really tell you to tell you the truth mate, just saying alot of men fight up and down the country, not to be noticed or get a name for thereself or anything like that, but just to sort a problem out, and if you know of people then you'll know about the rows. not going to name drop anybody as i don't believe in things like that, stuffs personal and i think its sly capers to discuss other peoples business but just saying that there is plently else going on beyond books and youtube acounts

Fair do's and I appreciate your honesty

honesty the best policy nobody likes a name dropper and a man what claims this and that

palooka wrote:

Oiky wrote:theres plenty of fights up and down the country, kent, darlington, wisbech, peterborough, if you know you know if you don't you don't

not under any promotion name like bbad, just two men got a problem and they get to it. alot never make it onto "youtube" because alot don't care about all that because its to settle personal scores between two men, some videos get sent round whatsapp groups and that and of course some do make it onto youtube but theres only a handful on youtube with decent men fighting .

alot of people subscibe to youtube accounts and think they are clued up on all the rows whats going on where in truth alot more rows go on that don't even make it anywhere near the internet

Who's the best bare knuckle in Yorkshire, Oiky?

i will name drop , Elias Smith probably one of the best men in the north if not the country

CiganoBoxer wrote:

palooka wrote:

Oiky wrote:theres plenty of fights up and down the country, kent, darlington, wisbech, peterborough, if you know you know if you don't you don't

not under any promotion name like bbad, just two men got a problem and they get to it. alot never make it onto "youtube" because alot don't care about all that because its to settle personal scores between two men, some videos get sent round whatsapp groups and that and of course some do make it onto youtube but theres only a handful on youtube with decent men fighting .

alot of people subscibe to youtube accounts and think they are clued up on all the rows whats going on where in truth alot more rows go on that don't even make it anywhere near the internet

Who's the best bare knuckle in Yorkshire, Oiky?

i will name drop , Elias Smith probably one of the best men in the north if not the country

but thats another fight off youtube, its not really name dropping to bring elias up because hes fight went onto youtube that anyone can go on and watch.

i was on about not name dropping men i know/know of personally to strangers on the internet , but trying to make the point that beyond the youtube accnts and the books there is men that people don't know of that can fight .

Oiky wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:

palooka wrote:
Who's the best bare knuckle in Yorkshire, Oiky?

i will name drop , Elias Smith probably one of the best men in the north if not the country

but thats another fight off youtube, its not really name dropping to bring elias up because hes fight went onto youtube that anyone can go on and watch.

i was on about not name dropping men i know/know of personally to strangers on the internet , but trying to make the point that beyond the youtube accnts and the books there is men that people don't know of that can fight .

Elias Smiths brother Thomas is married to my first cousins daughter Kerby , trust me he's a top man Elias ,the realist deal you will see ...you don't see anyone calling him out do ya

There was a good one from Doncaster a few years ago - Joe Boy Gaskin, also a man called Salious Price and his mate Bonik who are feared.

CiganoBoxer wrote:

Oiky wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote: i will name drop , Elias Smith probably one of the best men in the north if not the country

but thats another fight off youtube, its not really name dropping to bring elias up because hes fight went onto youtube that anyone can go on and watch.

i was on about not name dropping men i know/know of personally to strangers on the internet , but trying to make the point that beyond the youtube accnts and the books there is men that people don't know of that can fight .

Elias Smiths brother Thomas is married to my first cousins daughter Kerby , trust me he's a top man Elias ,the realist deal you will see ...you don't see anyone calling him out do ya

didn't say he wasn't a game man, plain to see that by the way he went about hes business vs wayne.

yeah palooka theres plenty of gaskins that can fight up in the north, theres a breed there you don't see get up on youtube.

lot of good hearns about, coopers, bakers, davis's, lovell's.

but clearly cigano elias would be a tough fight for any body . with the calling out i don't find english men really call any body out, its mainly the irish that get up on youtube and call others out, and alot never really get to it, english is all through phone calls and whatsapp groups

Talking of English Gypsies who don't get up on youtube and get involved in callout's, I was surprised to see Fred Butcher of Gypsy blood fame, calling out a "Tommy Lee" over a dispute over hare coursing. He seems to be a handy fella !

Tomasino wrote:Could we steer this thread onto actual bare knuckle fighters?

All that's been talked about for a while are frauds like Rufus and Monaghan et al...there's enough actual bare knuckle boxers out there fighting legit matches that we don't need to give these fantasists the space

It's official Homicide Henry Rufus the Doofus Gorja Bobbins Junior, You are a fraud !!! He he he :-)

Oiky wrote:

CiganoBoxer wrote:

Oiky wrote: but thats another fight off youtube, its not really name dropping to bring elias up because hes fight went onto youtube that anyone can go on and watch.

i was on about not name dropping men i know/know of personally to strangers on the internet , but trying to make the point that beyond the youtube accnts and the books there is men that people don't know of that can fight .

Elias Smiths brother Thomas is married to my first cousins daughter Kerby , trust me he's a top man Elias ,the realist deal you will see ...you don't see anyone calling him out do ya

didn't say he wasn't a game man, plain to see that by the way he went about hes business vs wayne.

yeah palooka theres plenty of gaskins that can fight up in the north, theres a breed there you don't see get up on youtube.

lot of good hearns about, coopers, bakers, davis's, lovell's.

but clearly cigano elias would be a tough fight for any body . plus with the calling out i don't find english men really call any body out, its mainly the irish that get up on youtube and call others out, and alot never really get to it, english is all through phone calls and whatsapp groups

Why whatsapp oiky? Is it secure?

I would imagine it is because your whatsapp contacts are people who are in your phone's contact's, therefore only people who you have given your number to, and vice versa, can view any footage shared, and taking it a step further, you can create groups within those contacts, so you can choose who see's what.

Matt the Master wrote:I would imagine it is because your whatsapp contacts are people who are in your phone's contact's, therefore only people who you have given your number to, and vice versa, can view any footage shared, and taking it a step further, you can create groups within those contacts, so you can choose who see's what.

yea with whatsapp its between who it involvs and thats it

an yea fred and bobby were on a couple of videos but that ain't something you'l really see often.

Oiky wrote:yea with whatsapp its between who it involvs and thats it

an yea fred and bobby were on a couple of videos but that ain't something you'l really see often.

Totally agreed Oiky re the Butcher Bro's ! I will say this though about the difference I see between the Irish and English fight videos.....Yes it's true what you say about most Irish call outs coming to nothing, and then when they do only a handfull show any real talent !

Whereas for a long time there was only the Elias Smith vs Wayne Mason fight, and that fight put all of those others to shame !!!

Seems in general, the English talk a lot less about fighting, and when it comes time to fight they deliver !!!