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Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Charlie El Jefe, is now 77 years old. He don't get around much anymore.
Couple of years ago he was on the lam until he got busted, he was lookin'
at doing some time, but I bailed him out and Tom The Lawyer worked out a
deal for him, one that he couldn't say no to..Before Tom The Lawyer worked
out the deal Rick and I were already buying cigarettes for him so he could use
them for money in the big house.

Don Charlie . . .

Your balls or your freedom? What kinda deal is that?
If I was Charlie, I'd be one pissed off dude!
I saw Mickey Cohen once at the Olympic Auditorium. He was well dressed, but old, he limped.
He had that look you see in Charley today. But you still wouldn't f*ck around with him.

CNorkusJr wrote:http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/17/brita ... al-utopia/

Saw this on the wire the other day. Bennie-sounds like tough times ahead.

Yeah, we had a few days of rioting in our cities last week but it was mostly kids looking to steal from shops, whipped up by hot, sticky weather (I kid you not.) The police were caught on the hop because mobile phones and internet sites like facebook were used to attract large numbers. Heavy rain and better police tactics brought the riots to an end.

coach greg v wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Randyman wrote: Lol Rick you are so right, right between the eyes! Damn

> OK I give I will give it a go. If Frank will read THE GANGS OF LOS ANGELES. i WILL TRY IT

> I KNOW THEY ARE USING TEAMSTERS GYM IN THE RING. BUT WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE ARENA???

The now defunct Valley Garden Arena in the San Fernando Valley was the arena that was use in the movie.

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Charlie El Jefe, is now 77 years old. He don't get around much anymore.
Couple of years ago he was on the lam until he got busted, he was lookin'
at doing some time, but I bailed him out and Tom The Lawyer worked out a
deal for him, one that he couldn't say no to..Before Tom The Lawyer worked
out the deal Rick and I were already buying cigarettes for him so he could use
them for money in the big house.

Don Charlie . . .

Your balls or your freedom? What kinda deal is that?
If I was Charlie, I'd be one pissed off dude!
I saw Mickey Cohen once at the Olympic Auditorium. He was well dressed, but old, he limped.
He had that look you see in Charley today. But you still wouldn't f*ck around with him.

He couldn't refuse the deal if wanted to be on the outside to take care of business.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Don Charlie . . .

Your balls or your freedom? What kinda deal is that?
If I was Charlie, I'd be one pissed off dude!
I saw Mickey Cohen once at the Olympic Auditorium. He was well dressed, but old, he limped.
He had that look you see in Charley today. But you still wouldn't f*ck around with him.

He couldn't refuse the deal if wanted to be on the outside to take care of business.

> Ricky what frank is not telling about el jefe. even tho he poor mouths it. charley still runs the fight game east of olivera st. and demands his cut. if he does not get his feria nobody fights. best let sleeping dogs lye.

coach greg v wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: Don Charlie . . .

Your balls or your freedom? What kinda deal is that?
If I was Charlie, I'd be one pissed off dude!
I saw Mickey Cohen once at the Olympic Auditorium. He was well dressed, but old, he limped.
He had that look you see in Charley today. But you still wouldn't f*ck around with him.

He couldn't refuse the deal if wanted to be on the outside to take care of business.

> Ricky what frank is not telling about el jefe. even tho he poor mouths it. charley still runs the fight game east of olivera st. and demands his cut. if he does not get his feria nobody fights. best let sleeping dogs lye.

Charlie is the contemporary Babe McCoy....

Back in the late '40's-early '50's no West Coast fighter could fight in the East Coast without Babe McCoy getting his cut. That's the way it was...

kikibalt wrote:Back in the late '40's-early '50's no West Coast fighter could fight in the East Coast without Babe McCoy getting his cut. That's the way it was...

>probably bagman for dragna and the likes

coach greg v wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Back in the late '40's-early '50's no West Coast fighter could fight in the East Coast without Babe McCoy getting his cut. That's the way it was...

>probably bagman for dragna and the likes

No McCoy was nobody's bagman. McCoy was his own man. He ran West Coast boxing with a strong hand for years...

kikibalt wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Back in the late '40's-early '50's no West Coast fighter could fight in the East Coast without Babe McCoy getting his cut. That's the way it was...

>probably bagman for dragna and the likes

No McCoy was nobody's bagman. McCoy was his own man. He ran West Coast boxing with a strong hand for years...

>so the mob had no say on the west coast thats interesting

coach greg v wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

coach greg v wrote: >probably bagman for dragna and the likes

No McCoy was nobody's bagman. McCoy was his own man. He ran West Coast boxing with a strong hand for years...

>so the mob had no say on the west coast thats interesting

The mob tired to muscle in on Don Jordan in 1960 I believe it was and were busted, some were put away for years. Babe McCoy was the MAN in West Coast boxing in the years that I mention above, that's not to say he didn't at times worked with the mob, but he was not the mob's bagman.

kikibalt wrote:I have posted this photos before, but what I had not posted was a photo of Cindy, the owner of Lisa's, you're going to have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see Miss Cindy...









Me in red with Connie





The beautiful Cindy, owner of "Lisa's'. A '50's type diner

Frank, Can't take my eyes off of Cindy, food looks great too..

Paul!!....

Babe McCoy
From Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Matchmaker

Babe McCoy (real name "Harry Rudolph"), brother of former World Middleweight Champion Al McCoy, perhaps is best known as the matchmaker for the Los Angeles Olympic Auditorium from 1942 to the mid-1950s. He is regarded as the driving force at this famed arena during that era. Before becoming a matchmaker at the Olympic in 1942, McCoy was a well-known figure in Los Angeles boxing circles for close to a decade. For much of the 1930s, he was manager of boxers. But during the early 1940s, he would switch over to promoting and matchmaking at various Los Angeles area venues -- including the Wilmington Bowl, the Eastside Arena, and the Ocean Park Arena.

When a colorful Australian sports legend and the manager of the Los Angeles Athletic Club's Riviera Polo Fields, Snowy Baker, became the boxing promoter at the Olympic Auditorium, which was owned by the Los Angeles Athletic Club (L.A.A.C.), Baker hired a veteran matchmaker, Joe Waterman. An all-around boxing man, Waterman had a great deal of success as a matchmaker at many venues, including the Olympic during at least two previous stints. But in 1942, Waterman didn't stay long because of personal health problems. As a result, Babe McCoy became Waterman's replacement.
Babe McCoy

Snowy Baker was the boxing promoter at the Olympic Auditorium for about a year. After Baker left, Cal Eaton took over the post. About the same time, a red-headed woman named Aileen LeBell would become the business manager. Lebell had worked for the L.A.A.C. or for one of the bigwigs of the club, Frank Garbutt. Eaton, Lebell, and McCoy would form a formidable trio, with McCoy being regarded the key member at the time, due to his knowledge of the boxing business.

Since World War II was raging at the time, unemployment was practically nil and people had plenty of money to spend. As a result, the timing of the trio couldn't have been better. Despite the fact that the Olympic Auditorium had gone through some tough times during the 1930s because of the Great Depression, it was regarded as a venue with great potential. In fact, a number of boxing people had some success at the Olympic previously. They included Joe Levy, Jack Doyle, Wad Wadhams, and Joe Waterman.

In 1956 the California State Athletic Commission banned Babe McCoy for life for having arranged fixed matches along the West Coast from the late 1940s through the mid-1950s.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/ ... /index.htm

SI article on Babe McCoy

Babe McCoy Smoking Cigar and Standing Next to His Lawyer
Matchmaker Babe McCoy, who had been called the "big boss"
of California boxing, confers with his attorney Jake Ehrlich, (R),
after returning from an appearance before a committee investigating
gangster influence in California boxing.

kikibalt wrote:

Babe McCoy Smoking Cigar and Standing Next to His Lawyer
Matchmaker Babe McCoy, who had been called the "big boss"
of California boxing, confers with his attorney Jake Ehrlich, (R),
after returning from an appearance before a committee investigating
gangster influence in California boxing.

the shiester looks more crooked than babe

coach greg v wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Babe McCoy Smoking Cigar and Standing Next to His Lawyer
Matchmaker Babe McCoy, who had been called the "big boss"
of California boxing, confers with his attorney Jake Ehrlich, (R),
after returning from an appearance before a committee investigating
gangster influence in California boxing.

the shiester looks more crooked than babe

A crooked Mouth Piece you say??...

Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Tommy Campbell, May. 16, 1950
At the Olympic Auditorium at Los Angeles, Art "Golden Boy" Aragon scored a three-round knockout over Tommy Campbell after a questionable second round which saw Aragon decked for a seven count. Midway in the second round Campbell caught Aragon flush on the jaw with a right cross to the chin which sent Aragon careening through the ropes and onto the apron of the ring. Referee Reggie Gilmore waved Campbell to a neutral corner and began counting over Aragon, the 1 to 5 favorite. Golden Boy stood up on wobbly legs, but Campbell made no move to step into action and as Aragon moved across the ring they fell into a clinch without throwing a punch. At the end of the round the referee went to Campbell's corner and told him to get in there and fight or his license would be taken away. Campbell made an effort in the third, but Aragon came out like a tiger and a vicious left hook followed by a powerful right cross dropped Campbell for a nine count. As he arose Aragon rushed him and with a crushing right dropped him for the full count. An investigation the day following the fight saw both fighters cleared on all counts but Campbell's California license was taken away because he has failing sight in one eye. A crowd of 7,500 was on hand, contributing a gross of $16,558.

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:

Don Charlie . . .

Your balls or your freedom? What kinda deal is that?
If I was Charlie, I'd be one pissed off dude!
I saw Mickey Cohen once at the Olympic Auditorium. He was well dressed, but old, he limped.
He had that look you see in Charley today. But you still wouldn't f*ck around with him.

He couldn't refuse the deal if wanted to be on the outside to take care of business.

Such is the life of a hard core "shot caller". They say Mickey Cohen, while in the joint, was attacked with a pipe by a fellow inmate. This left him with a limp the remaining years of his lfe. I guess it's just par for the course that Charlie has chosen .

raylawpc wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:You eat the food Greg, I'll ...Cindy, you fill in the blank....

How to get the girl . . .

Greg, I understand that Cindy has a thing for guys who can KO a Manuel's Special burrito at El Tepeyac in ELA.
Now Randy once ate 1 1/2 by himself. He can't go to Lisa's, as Cindy would be all over him and his wife Jeri would shoot her.
All you have to do is eat the entire burrito, and Cindy will be the desert.
Let me know when you want to try a Manuel's Special, and I will also pay for it if you can eat the whole thing.
It's a simple task, ask Remy?

For once, it's a good thing I'm diabetic. When I polish off Manuel, I better skip the desert (Cindy is too sweet, and I'm too married!!)

I understand!

coach greg v wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: Don Charlie . . .

Your balls or your freedom? What kinda deal is that?
If I was Charlie, I'd be one pissed off dude!
I saw Mickey Cohen once at the Olympic Auditorium. He was well dressed, but old, he limped.
He had that look you see in Charley today. But you still wouldn't f*ck around with him.

He couldn't refuse the deal if wanted to be on the outside to take care of business.

> Ricky what frank is not telling about el jefe. even tho he poor mouths it. charley still runs the fight game east of olivera st. and demands his cut. if he does not get his feria nobody fights. best let sleeping dogs lye.

He's well known on the streets.

coach greg v wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: How to get the girl . . .

Greg, I understand that Cindy has a thing for guys who can KO a Manuel's Special burrito at El Tepeyac in ELA.
Now Randy once ate 1 1/2 by himself. He can't go to Lisa's, as Cindy would be all over him and his wife Jeri would shoot her.
All you have to do is eat the entire burrito, and Cindy will be the desert.
Let me know when you want to try a Manuel's Special, and I will also pay for it if you can eat the whole thing.
It's a simple task, ask Remy?

For once, it's a good thing I'm diabetic. When I polish off Manuel, I better skip the desert (Cindy is too sweet, and I'm too married!!)

> well I can not ko manny and cindy would put me on life support. i can hardly use the mitts to train anymore better stick with the ham...

Greg, this just proves you are street smart. You know how thngs work. Words of a man who knows life!
A Eastside guy knows two things: 1. Don't mess with Charlie, and 2. Don't challenge Manuel! ;;-)

kikibalt wrote:I have posted this photos before, but what I had not posted was a photo of Cindy, the owner of Lisa's, you're going to have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see Miss Cindy...









Me in red with Connie





The beautiful Cindy, owner of "Lisa's'. A '50's type diner

Are they real?

bennie wrote:

kikibalt wrote:I have posted this photos before, but what I had not posted was a photo of Cindy, the owner of Lisa's, you're going to have to scroll all the way to the bottom to see Miss Cindy...









Me in red with Connie





The beautiful Cindy, owner of "Lisa's'. A '50's type diner

Are they real?

As far as I can tell, yes!!. They move when she walks