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kikibalt wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

kikibalt wrote:

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

In that SI article, Campbell told investigators that he took a dive against Aragon. He was supported to go down in the fourth, but, after almost knocking Aragon out in the second round with that right, he went down for the count at the first opportunity. This account seems to confirm Campbell's testimony.

Tom, It's well known that Campbell and Carlos Chavez, Chavez in the second fight with Aragon went in the tank. Chavez a Johnny Forbes fighter out box Aragon in their first fight to win a ten round decision. I was told that Chavez could never forgive himself, that it bothered him till the end of his life....

kikibalt wrote:Babe McCoy
From Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Matchmaker

Babe McCoy (real name "Harry Rudolph"), brother of former World Middleweight Champion Al McCoy, perhaps is best known as the matchmaker for the Los Angeles Olympic Auditorium from 1942 to the mid-1950s. He is regarded as the driving force at this famed arena during that era. Before becoming a matchmaker at the Olympic in 1942, McCoy was a well-known figure in Los Angeles boxing circles for close to a decade. For much of the 1930s, he was manager of boxers. But during the early 1940s, he would switch over to promoting and matchmaking at various Los Angeles area venues -- including the Wilmington Bowl, the Eastside Arena, and the Ocean Park Arena.

When a colorful Australian sports legend and the manager of the Los Angeles Athletic Club's Riviera Polo Fields, Snowy Baker, became the boxing promoter at the Olympic Auditorium, which was owned by the Los Angeles Athletic Club (L.A.A.C.), Baker hired a veteran matchmaker, Joe Waterman. An all-around boxing man, Waterman had a great deal of success as a matchmaker at many venues, including the Olympic during at least two previous stints. But in 1942, Waterman didn't stay long because of personal health problems. As a result, Babe McCoy became Waterman's replacement.
Babe McCoy

Snowy Baker was the boxing promoter at the Olympic Auditorium for about a year. After Baker left, Cal Eaton took over the post. About the same time, a red-headed woman named Aileen LeBell would become the business manager. Lebell had worked for the L.A.A.C. or for one of the bigwigs of the club, Frank Garbutt. Eaton, Lebell, and McCoy would form a formidable trio, with McCoy being regarded the key member at the time, due to his knowledge of the boxing business.

Since World War II was raging at the time, unemployment was practically nil and people had plenty of money to spend. As a result, the timing of the trio couldn't have been better. Despite the fact that the Olympic Auditorium had gone through some tough times during the 1930s because of the Great Depression, it was regarded as a venue with great potential. In fact, a number of boxing people had some success at the Olympic previously. They included Joe Levy, Jack Doyle, Wad Wadhams, and Joe Waterman.

In 1956 the California State Athletic Commission banned Babe McCoy for life for having arranged fixed matches along the West Coast from the late 1940s through the mid-1950s.

CNorkusJr wrote:

kikibalt wrote:http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

Good piece of writing Rick. Great insight to a wonderful fighter.
My father met Jose Napoles in New York when he came in to fight Petey Toro.
Toro,a New Yorker, had good fights in his career against Bobby Cassidy,Bobby Bartels and a few other heavy hitters who my father hung around with.

Jose,I dont know if Angelo Dundee had him in 1970, was probably training in Gleason's Gym who moved to midtown Manhattan about then(around the corner from the new MSG), or possibly 42 St gym (Jimmy Glenns' old place).

But possibly my dad went to see Angelo to say hello. He came home that night to tell me he met Jose Napoles, whom my father said was one of the hardest punchers he saw in training. Any recollection of Jose's sparring people on the road,if he had any (maybe he used local guys) ?

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:

kikibalt wrote:http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

Good piece of writing Rick. Great insight to a wonderful fighter.
My father met Jose Napoles in New York when he came in to fight Petey Toro.
Toro,a New Yorker, had good fights in his career against Bobby Cassidy,Bobby Bartels and a few other heavy hitters who my father hung around with.

Jose,I dont know if Angelo Dundee had him in 1970, was probably training in Gleason's Gym who moved to midtown Manhattan about then(around the corner from the new MSG), or possibly 42 St gym (Jimmy Glenns' old place).

But possibly my dad went to see Angelo to say hello. He came home that night to tell me he met Jose Napoles, whom my father said was one of the hardest punchers he saw in training. Any recollection of Jose's sparring people on the road,if he had any (maybe he used local guys) ?

Sometimes Angelo Dundee would fly in to work Napoles corner, but his trainer was Kid Rapidez.
Angelo is a great cornerman, cut man, organized, but Rapidez was a great trainer, teacher and strategist.
I remember Dundee in town several times over the years. Remember he was also here with Sugar Ramos.

CNorkusJr wrote:

kikibalt wrote:http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

Good piece of writing Rick. Great insight to a wonderful fighter.
My father met Jose Napoles in New York when he came in to fight Petey Toro.
Toro,a New Yorker, had good fights in his career against Bobby Cassidy,Bobby Bartels and a few other heavy hitters who my father hung around with.

Jose,I dont know if Angelo Dundee had him in 1970, was probably training in Gleason's Gym who moved to midtown Manhattan about then(around the corner from the new MSG), or possibly 42 St gym (Jimmy Glenns' old place).

But possibly my dad went to see Angelo to say hello. He came home that night to tell me he met Jose Napoles, whom my father said was one of the hardest punchers he saw in training. Any recollection of Jose's sparring people on the road,if he had any (maybe he used local guys) ?

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote:

kikibalt wrote:http://coxscorner.tripod.com/napoles_rf.html

Jose Napoles...By Rick Farris

Good piece of writing Rick. Great insight to a wonderful fighter.
My father met Jose Napoles in New York when he came in to fight Petey Toro.
Toro,a New Yorker, had good fights in his career against Bobby Cassidy,Bobby Bartels and a few other heavy hitters who my father hung around with.

Jose,I dont know if Angelo Dundee had him in 1970, was probably training in Gleason's Gym who moved to midtown Manhattan about then(around the corner from the new MSG), or possibly 42 St gym (Jimmy Glenns' old place).

But possibly my dad went to see Angelo to say hello. He came home that night to tell me he met Jose Napoles, whom my father said was one of the hardest punchers he saw in training. Any recollection of Jose's sparring people on the road,if he had any (maybe he used local guys) ?

Charlie . . . I can't remember all who sparred with Napoles, except L.A.'s Baby Cassius, whom Mantequilla abused daily.

Rick Farris wrote:>damn this is the belly of the beast. rick u need to write a book. you too frank serio
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You've only seen the tip of the iceberg. We've been feeding this beast's belly for 3 1/2 years.
Lots of great stuff from the most knowledgeable boxing people I've had the pleasure of comminicating with.
We still have a long way to go. The fact is, this will never end because the information is literally endless.
I can say this, as long as Frank is posting here, I'll be posting too. Frank is my homie!

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

CNorkusJr wrote: Good piece of writing Rick. Great insight to a wonderful fighter.
My father met Jose Napoles in New York when he came in to fight Petey Toro.
Toro,a New Yorker, had good fights in his career against Bobby Cassidy,Bobby Bartels and a few other heavy hitters who my father hung around with.

Jose,I dont know if Angelo Dundee had him in 1970, was probably training in Gleason's Gym who moved to midtown Manhattan about then(around the corner from the new MSG), or possibly 42 St gym (Jimmy Glenns' old place).

But possibly my dad went to see Angelo to say hello. He came home that night to tell me he met Jose Napoles, whom my father said was one of the hardest punchers he saw in training. Any recollection of Jose's sparring people on the road,if he had any (maybe he used local guys) ?

Charlie . . . I can't remember all who sparred with Napoles, except L.A.'s Baby Cassius, whom Mantequilla abused daily.

> hey rick u ever spar haffeys brother???

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: Charlie . . . I can't remember all who sparred with Napoles, except L.A.'s Baby Cassius, whom Mantequilla abused daily.

> hey rick u ever spar haffeys brother???

No, I never knew Lawrence.

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:>damn this is the belly of the beast. rick u need to write a book. you too frank serio
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You've only seen the tip of the iceberg. We've been feeding this beast's belly for 3 1/2 years.
Lots of great stuff from the most knowledgeable boxing people I've had the pleasure of comminicating with.
We still have a long way to go. The fact is, this will never end because the information is literally endless.
I can say this, as long as Frank is posting here, I'll be posting too. Frank is my homie!

> well I certainly am not in your league but i do enjoy everything I read and what I write I mean. you should write a book boxing books these days are horrible.....

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:>damn this is the belly of the beast. rick u need to write a book. you too frank serio
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You've only seen the tip of the iceberg. We've been feeding this beast's belly for 3 1/2 years.
Lots of great stuff from the most knowledgeable boxing people I've had the pleasure of comminicating with.
We still have a long way to go. The fact is, this will never end because the information is literally endless.
I can say this, as long as Frank is posting here, I'll be posting too. Frank is my homie!

> well I certainly am not in your league but i do enjoy everything I read and what I write I mean. you should write a book boxing books these days are horrible.....

We are all in the same league, we all know things that are unique. I happened to grow up in L.A. boxing, just like Frank did a generation before me. You have to realize from my perspective, I'm confident in my knowledge and experience, but Frank lived the same thing as well as the previous era. Frank saw the end of the "Golden Era", and there hasn't been anything to equal that in the years since. I can only live that through the memories of guys like Frank, Hap Navarro, Don Fraser.

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote: > hey rick u ever spar haffeys brother???

No, I never knew Lawrence.

> well u guys make my balls kinda shivel. but i did see u fight granados at the olympic....

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote: No, I never knew Lawrence.

> well u guys make my balls kinda shivel. but i did see u fight granados at the olympic....

Frankie Granados. I won a very close four-rounder in our first go. He was Harry Kabakoff's fighter.
In the rematch, I went to work and had him staggered often. He spit out his mouthpiece, did anything to keep from going down.
I wasn't sure I'd won the first fight, but I won the second easily. However, they gave the fight to Granados.
The crowd booed the decision. They wouldn't fight us again. I really wanted a third fight.
I wasn't likely to go anywhere as a pro regardless of who handled my career, however, I was glad when I left Johnny Flores.
Johnny wasn't as great a handler as I once thought he was. This isn't an opinion based on how he handled my career, but the careers of others.
The best handler in Los Angeles, one I consider the best I ever met, was Jackie McCoy.
Johnny was a strong presence in the corner, and I always felt good with Johnny there, loved the way he wrapped my hands.

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote: > well u guys make my balls kinda shivel. but i did see u fight granados at the olympic....

Frankie Granados. I won a very close four-rounder in our first go. He was Harry Kabakoff's fighter.
In the rematch, I went to work and had him staggered often. He spit out his mouthpiece, did anything to keep from going down.
I wasn't sure I'd won the first fight, but I won the second easily. However, they gave the fight to Granados.
The crowd booed the decision. They wouldn't fight us again. I really wanted a third fight.
I wasn't likely to go anywhere as a pro regardless of who handled my career, however, I was glad when I left Johnny Flores.
Johnny wasn't as great a handler as I once thought he was. This isn't an opinion based on how he handled my career, but the careers of others.
The best handler in Los Angeles, one I consider the best I ever met, was Jackie McCoy.
Johnny was a strong presence in the corner, and I always felt good with Johnny there, loved the way he wrapped my hands.

> well i thought u won

Rick Farris wrote:

coach greg v wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:
Frankie Granados. I won a very close four-rounder in our first go. He was Harry Kabakoff's fighter.
In the rematch, I went to work and had him staggered often. He spit out his mouthpiece, did anything to keep from going down.
I wasn't sure I'd won the first fight, but I won the second easily. However, they gave the fight to Granados.
The crowd booed the decision. They wouldn't fight us again. I really wanted a third fight.
I wasn't likely to go anywhere as a pro regardless of who handled my career, however, I was glad when I left Johnny Flores.
Johnny wasn't as great a handler as I once thought he was. This isn't an opinion based on how he handled my career, but the careers of others.
The best handler in Los Angeles, one I consider the best I ever met, was Jackie McCoy.
Johnny was a strong presence in the corner, and I always felt good with Johnny there, loved the way he wrapped my hands.

> well i thought u won

Thanks pal, I bet you were a great cornerman. It's in your blood!

kikibalt wrote:

Cholo wrote:Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Tommy Campbell, May. 16, 1950

At the Olympic Auditorium at Los Angeles, Art "Golden Boy" Aragon scored a three-round knockout over Tommy Campbell after a questionable second round which saw Aragon decked for a seven count. Midway in the second round Campbell caught Aragon flush on the jaw with a right cross to the chin which sent Aragon careening through the ropes and onto the apron of the ring. Referee Reggie Gilmore waved Campbell to a neutral corner and began counting over Aragon, the 1 to 5 favorite. Golden Boy stood up on wobbly legs, but Campbell made no move to step into action and as Aragon moved across the ring they fell into a clinch without throwing a punch. At the end of the round the referee went to Campbell's corner and told him to get in there and fight or his license would be taken away. Campbell made an effort in the third, but Aragon came out like a tiger and a vicious left hook followed by a powerful right cross dropped Campbell for a nine count. As he arose Aragon rushed him and with a crushing right dropped him for the full count. An investigation the day following the fight saw both fighters cleared on all counts but Campbell's California license was taken away because he has failing sight in one eye. A crowd of 7,500 was on hand, contributing a gross of $16,558.

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell

Panzerfaust wrote:Wendell Kim talks about his life and his father Phil ''Wildcat'' Kim :
http://books.google.no/books?id=QOoCAAA ... im&f=false

Cholo wrote:Art "Golden Boy" Aragon/Carlos Chavez, June. 6, 1950

The veteran Carlos Chavez pulled one of the big upsets of the year when he took a ten-round decision over the top heavy favorite. Art Aragon, in their Los Angeles battle. The fight was action packed from the opening bell with Aragon making the mistake of staying in close with the bull shouldered Mexican. Chavez outbanged the "Golden Boy" in close and then when he backed away, Carlos caught him with hard shots to the head. Chavez set a blistering pace from the start with the younger Art matching him blow for blow in the early heats. However, instead of wearing himself out, Carlos kept up the torrid going after the half-way mark, while Aragon began to show signs of wear and tear. At long range, Aragon missed badly and Chavez countered beautifully. In the fifth round the Mexican shook Aragon with a left hook to the chin after Art missed a right cross aimed at the jaw. The Hollywood youngster was on queer street for over 50 seconds as Chavez chased him all over the ring in a bid for the kayo. However, Aragon came back strong during the last minute of the round to make it a fairly close session. After the battle, Aragon admitted he lost, but that he just couldn't seem to get started. Here is the scoring of the officials: Referee Joe Stone tabbed it 58 to 52 points for Chavez Judge Charley Randolph had it 56 to 54 for the Mexican and Judge Johnny Indrisano marked the bout 57 1/2 to 52 1/2 for the Mexican battler, making the decision unanimous. A crowd of 7,478 wild-eyed fight fans paid a gross gate of $32,210.60 for the show which was promoted for the benefit of the worthy "Fight for Life" charity. Despite his loss, Art Aragon remains the biggest attraction on the Pacific Coast and he was rematched with Enrique Bolanos right after the Chavez upset. In there first bout, Aragon knocked out Bolanos and gained one of the top-contender spots for Champion Ike Williams' title..

kikibalt wrote:

Art Aragon v Tommy Campbell