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[felinoboxing]

Ring Magazine I would imagine would be your source for this sorta thing. I'm not sure which years had a comprehensive Pound for Pound list, but I'll see if I can dig some up.
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So Boxrec rating doesn't work for P4P # 1?
Ring Magazine and WBNews are sources from 1970 until today.
From there to earlier times I didn't get anything, that's why I use Boxrec rating, but I don't like it in P4P # 1.

[gilgamesh]

Ring Magazine I would imagine would be your source for this sorta thing. I'm not sure which years had a comprehensive Pound for Pound list, but I'll see if I can dig some up.

So Boxrec rating doesn't work for P4P # 1?
Ring Magazine and WBNews are sources from 1970 until today.
From there to earlier times I didn't get anything, that's why I use Boxrec rating, but I don't like it in P4P # 1.
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You shouldn't like it either. You should do your own research, and draw your own conclusions.

[jujigatame]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but why don't the Top Rank fights this week have star ratings in the schedule?

[computerrank]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask this, but why don't the Top Rank fights this week have star ratings in the schedule?

Thanks for the hint. This is a bug. It will be fixed in the next release.

[squiggy]

How did it come about that Wisaksil Wangek outranks Juan Francisco Estrada at super flyweight? Estrada beat him by UD and has won another fight since, while Wangek hasn't fought again.

[computerrank]

How did it come about that Wisaksil Wangek outranks Juan Francisco Estrada at super flyweight? Estrada beat him by UD and has won another fight since, while Wangek hasn't fought again.

Thanks for the hint. ThIs a bug. It will fixed with the next release.

[computerrank]

There was a technical update today. Some ratings may show wrong. We are busy with it - it will be fixed.

[computerrank]

There was a technical update today. Some ratings may show wrong. We are busy with it - it will be fixed.

Probably related, July 11's Joe Smith Jr. vs. Eleider Alvarez bout is rated a "4-star" fight in the schedule, but they are both "5-star" fighters...

I use the BoxRec schedule star-system for my own boxing viewing scheduling.

Any chance we could get a filter on the schedule, say, to only show scheduled "5-star" fights? Or all "4½ stars" and higher, or all "4-stars" and higher, etc." Curently I have to pore over them, page by page, every week to make sure I don't miss a big fight. I remember the old "5-star schedule" page was eliminated years back because of the powers that be, but a guy can dream.

Thanks, there seems to be an inconsistency. Filter is raised to internal discussion list.

[jerd16]

Probably related, July 11's Joe Smith Jr. vs. Eleider Alvarez bout is rated a "4-star" fight in the schedule, but they are both "5-star" fighters...

I use the BoxRec schedule star-system for my own boxing viewing scheduling.

Any chance we could get a filter on the schedule, say, to only show scheduled "5-star" fights? Or all "4½ stars" and higher, or all "4-stars" and higher, etc." Curently I have to pore over them, page by page, every week to make sure I don't miss a big fight. I remember the old "5-star schedule" page was eliminated years back because of the powers that be, but a guy can dream.

Thanks, there seems to be an inconsistency. Filter is raised to internal discussion list.

Have you completed the update? Has the points scale changed again?

[computerrank]

Thanks, there seems to be an inconsistency. Filter is raised to internal discussion list.

Have you completed the update? Has the points scale changed again?

The update is completed, no changes in points scale.

[computerrank]

Probably related, July 11's Joe Smith Jr. vs. Eleider Alvarez bout is rated a "4-star" fight in the schedule, but they are both "5-star" fighters...

I use the BoxRec schedule star-system for my own boxing viewing scheduling.

Any chance we could get a filter on the schedule, say, to only show scheduled "5-star" fights? Or all "4½ stars" and higher, or all "4-stars" and higher, etc." Curently I have to pore over them, page by page, every week to make sure I don't miss a big fight. I remember the old "5-star schedule" page was eliminated years back because of the powers that be, but a guy can dream.

Thanks, there seems to be an inconsistency. Filter is raised to internal discussion list.

Joe Smith vs Eleider Alvarez: The difference between the bout star rating and the boxers star ratings is a result of the winner always above loser correction.
The boxer star rating is the corrected value and stored in the boxer's career table. The bout star rating is calculated from the uncorrected values of the boxers in the bout table.
Joe Smith's uncorrected value is 65 points (4 star) and the corrected is 95 points (5 star).

[computerrank]

Joe Smith vs Eleider Alvarez: The difference between the bout star rating and the boxers star ratings is a result of the winner always above loser correction.
The boxer star rating is the corrected value and stored in the boxer's career table. The bout star rating is calculated from the uncorrected values of the boxers in the bout table.
Joe Smith's uncorrected value is 65 points (4 star) and the corrected is 95 points (5 star).

Alright, then why is the Joe Smith Jr. vs Eleider Alvarez fight page showing their "after fight" values? That's impressive, seeing how the fight is next month!

All fight pages have only "after fight" ratings and none have "before fight" ratings.

Also, all bouts on fighter pages list the after bout ratings and not the before fight ratings as they used to. It's now impossible at a glance to see who the favourite in a bout was on a fighter's page.

Example, the 2016 fight Joe Smith Jr. is listed as Smith 123 points vs. Hopkins 30 points. Hopkins actually entered the bout around 99 points. This fight is recorded as a "4-star" fight, when surely it should be a "5-star" fight. It seems post-fight ratings are determining the fight star value as well??

For WHole-History Ratings there is only one rating at bout time. For contested bouts this is the rating including the bout result (after-bout) and all later results - . And for scheduled bouts it is the current rating at bout time.
The bout Smith vs. Hopkins is rated a 4-star bout retrospectively, because Hopkins is rated 30 points (4-star) at bout time and Smith 123 points (5-star).

[DazBoxingFan]

Have you still not considered a separate rating system. One which rates all time using one formula and current using the old?

[John]

Have you still not considered a separate rating system. One which rates all time using one formula and current using the old?

I can how they are of academic interest to hard core stats people but multiple ratings would cause enormous confusion to the average user.

[DazBoxingFan]

Have you still not considered a separate rating system. One which rates all time using one formula and current using the old?

I can how they are of academic interest to hard core stats people but multiple ratings would cause enormous confusion to the average user.

Not really multiple, just two. A formula that mixes/ranks past, present and future is beyond confusing no?

[mike1989]

All-time Ratings are based on the career peak rating of a boxer. For lower weight divisions the points are converted with the cube of Heavyweight upper weight reference in relation to the upper weight reference of the Boxer's weight division.
can an example please?

[computerrank]

All-time Ratings are based on the career peak rating of a boxer. For lower weight divisions the points are converted with the cube of Heavyweight upper weight reference in relation to the upper weight reference of the Boxer's weight division.
can an example please?

Sugar Ray Robinson rated at Middleweight.
His career top rating at Middleweight was 1270 at 2 bouts on 1950-10-6 and on 1950-10-26.
He had more points on Welterweight on 1950-08-09 with 1637 points. But converted to Middleweight that are 1270 points too,

The points in the records are already converted to the bout division.

1 point at Welterweight is equivalent to:

(147 lbs / 160 lbs)**3 = 0.7755 points at Middleweight.

[mike1989]

All-time Ratings are based on the career peak rating of a boxer. For lower weight divisions the points are converted with the cube of Heavyweight upper weight reference in relation to the upper weight reference of the Boxer's weight division.
can an example please?

Sugar Ray Robinson rated at Middleweight.
His career top rating at Middleweight was 1270 at 2 bouts on 1950-10-6 and on 1950-10-26.
He had more points on Welterweight on 1950-08-09 with 1637 points. But converted to Middleweight that are 1270 points too,

The points in the records are already converted to the bout division.

1 point at Welterweight is equivalent to:

(147 lbs / 160 lbs)**3 = 0.7755 points at Middleweight.

Joe Louis rating 1041 maximum = all-time rating;
Vladimir Klitschko maximum 1178 all-time rating 553 ???
Martin something is not working correctly correctly ???

[computerrank]

Sugar Ray Robinson rated at Middleweight.
His career top rating at Middleweight was 1270 at 2 bouts on 1950-10-6 and on 1950-10-26.
He had more points on Welterweight on 1950-08-09 with 1637 points. But converted to Middleweight that are 1270 points too,

The points in the records are already converted to the bout division.

1 point at Welterweight is equivalent to:

(147 lbs / 160 lbs)**3 = 0.7755 points at Middleweight.

Joe Louis rating 1041 maximum = all-time rating;
Vladimir Klitschko maximum 1178 all-time rating 553 ???
Martin something is not working correctly correctly ???

Today Louis is 136 today - the ratings have not reached their stable point yet (after 84 iterations). We have 3 iterations daily. That will need some further days.

For boxers, who had their last bout within the last 15 years, there is a special adaption. Their career top rating is systematically higher than that of older boxers. The reason is: boxers involved have not reached their career end and often career decay.

So, for all time ratings, ratings less than 15 years old are reduced, by a factor of down to 0.1 for lastest bouts.

Factor 1 for 15 years back and older.

Linear interpolation in between.

[felinoboxing]

Greetings, I just suggest adding the top 10 P4P boxers of the year with their rankings to the annual BoxRec rankings. Here: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxR ... al_Ratings

[computerrank]

Greetings, I just suggest adding the top 10 P4P boxers of the year with their rankings to the annual BoxRec rankings. Here: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxR ... al_Ratings

That is possible, when I get more time. The WHR ratings are getting stable now.

[computerrank]

The bug is already fixed and going live is in the pipeline.

[computerrank]

Greetings, I just suggest adding the top 10 P4P boxers of the year with their rankings to the annual BoxRec rankings. Here: https://boxrec.com/media/index.php/BoxR ... al_Ratings

That will be possible. With the next update ...

[DazBoxingFan]

Strangely the British rankings have changed again... How fighters have gone from 4 to 9 randomly when no one has fought since is beyond me

[computerrank]

Strangely the British rankings have changed again... How fighters have gone from 4 to 9 randomly when no one has fought since is beyond me

On July 7 a program typo was fixed.
Boxrec ratings have a filter installed, where boxers are approved to have a win against another approved boxer at least. This filter by fault approved some boxers due to that code typo . Now those boxers and their opponents might be rated lower.