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[DazBoxingFan]

Strangely the British rankings have changed again... How fighters have gone from 4 to 9 randomly when no one has fought since is beyond me

On July 7 a program typo was fixed.
Boxrec ratings have a filter installed, where boxers are approved to have a win against another approved boxer at least. This filter by fault approved some boxers due to that code typo . Now those boxers and their opponents might be rated lower.

Alex dilmaghani has a fought and beaten higher rated fighter than zelfa Barratt... I.e fonseca and parlagi. He has fought in a 3 star bout.... Zelfa never has. Can you use this example to explain why please, not in technicalities, but in a boxing reason.

[computerrank]

On July 7 a program typo was fixed.
Boxrec ratings have a filter installed, where boxers are approved to have a win against another approved boxer at least. This filter by fault approved some boxers due to that code typo . Now those boxers and their opponents might be rated lower.

Alex dilmaghani has a fought and beaten higher rated fighter than zelfa Barratt... I.e fonseca and parlagi. He has fought in a 3 star bout.... Zelfa never has. Can you use this example to explain why please, not in technicalities, but in a boxing reason.

Boxrec ratings only go with official results and statistics, not with whatever boxing reasons.

[DazBoxingFan]

Alex dilmaghani has a fought and beaten higher rated fighter than zelfa Barratt... I.e fonseca and parlagi. He has fought in a 3 star bout.... Zelfa never has. Can you use this example to explain why please, not in technicalities, but in a boxing reason.

Boxrec ratings only go with official results and statistics, not with whatever boxing reasons.

No problem I understand that But AD has fought (according to boxrec rankings) and won over better opposition than both zelfa Barrett and Archie sharp who are ranked above him.

[computerrank]

Boxrec ratings only go with official results and statistics, not with whatever boxing reasons.

No problem I understand that But AD has fought (according to boxrec rankings) and won over better opposition than both zelfa Barrett and Archie sharp who are ranked above him.

No, both defeated better opposition regarding Boxrec ratings.

[DazBoxingFan]

No. Firstly fonseca who he drew against is ranked much higher than any of them, secondly his best win on paper is Martin parlagi who is ranked above anyone zelfa has fought and everyone except one that Archie Sharp has fought (who’s only ranked 2 places higher than parlagi), ill screen shot this if you wish?

[computerrank]

No. Firstly fonseca who he drew against is ranked much higher than any of them, secondly his best win on paper is Martin parlagi who is ranked above anyone zelfa has fought and everyone except one that Archie Sharp has fought (who’s only ranked 2 places higher than parlagi), ill screen shot this if you wish?

A draw is no win. And Parlagi was rated lower by Boxrec than Sharp's and Barrett's best defeated opponents - at bout time. You are building your own rating rules.

[margaret thatcher]

Shots fired

[DazBoxingFan]

Shots fired

Haha it is true though! Computer rank seems to be building his own rules as he goes along! No matter how many people who have complained about the ranking systems he ignored or blocks/bans. I suspect it’s like talking to a brick wall

[Lennox]

According to the Premier Boxing Organisation. Alex Dilmangi has indeed fought better opposition than Sharp or Barrett.

Neither Sharp or Barrett have defeated a top 100. Alex has defeated an opponent ranked 97 at the time.

[margaret thatcher]

BoxRec actually has Dil ranked higher than PBO does

[Lennox]

BoxRec actually has Dil ranked higher than PBO does

According to boxrec have any of those three fighters defeated top 100 opposition?
With PBO you need to beat rated fighters to move substantially up the ratings.

[JCS]

BoxRec actually has Dil ranked higher than PBO does

According to boxrec have any of those three fighters defeated top 100 opposition?
With PBO you need to beat rated fighters to move substantially up the ratings.

This is probably the 10th time you've said something like this... I don't understand how you can promote how your system is better by stating that it uses the ratings/rankings it produces to validate the rating/ranking of another fighter within the same system. Seems like a circle jerk.

It's like saying that I devised a system that a fighter wearing green is at a 3x advantage... so if a fighter beats him that isn't wearing green, he's the greatest of all-time as he conquered this mystical advantage.

[margaret thatcher]

BoxRec actually has Dil ranked higher than PBO does

According to boxrec have any of those three fighters defeated top 100 opposition?
With PBO you need to beat rated fighters to move substantially up the ratings.

I dunno tbh, it doesn't say on BoxRec what their ranking was at the time of the fight

[computerrank]

The Braekhus-McCaskill fight has been fixed, that's good.

But now, the August 22nd, #7 heavyweight Dillian Whyte vs. #5 Alexander Povetkin, two "5-star" heavyweights...listed as a "2-star" fight

seems to be ok now ...

[jujigatame]

I noticed the Whyte/Povetkin thing a couple weeks ago but it looks fine now.

[Rocky-]

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/561153 It is unacceptable that Nuhu Lawal vs Michel Soro is rated 3 stars whilst his bout vs Martin Murray merely 2. Lawal was undefeated and on a fairly impressive winning streak prior to facing Murray. He beat 2 bums before and after the Soro fight. The ratings should be switched.

[computerrank]

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/561153 It is unacceptable that Nuhu Lawal vs Michel Soro is rated 3 stars whilst his bout vs Martin Murray merely 2. Lawal was undefeated and on a fairly impressive winning streak prior to facing Murray. He beat 2 bums before and after the Soro fight. The ratings should be switched.

The bout star ratings are related to the bout division. A boxer's rating is lower at higher weight division and higher at lower weight division, Against Soro he was in at Super Welterweight, against Murray he was in at Super Middleweight,

[computerrank]

August 22nd, light heavyweights #5 Eleider Alvarez vs. #9 Joe Smith Jr.

Both are 5-star fighters, the bout is listed as a 4-star fight.

In the ranking Joe Smith is set above Jesse Hart by pro rule winner above loser. His WHR rating is lower. So this is a 4-star bout only.

[pugilisticspecialist]

Inactive fighters need to be automatically assigned to the division they achieved their peak rating in, otherwise the lb for lb all-time rankings are misleading.

I mentioned Tomasz Adamek and Danny Green being in the wrong divisions in the "Record Queries & Updates" subforum but it hasn't been fixed.

[dnahotep]

Have you guys ever thought of graphing the ratings of boxers. People are more visual nowadays and seeing the progression of a boxer's career laid out would be helpful. I'm working on trying to graph some fighters on my own, but I don't have the data you guys have. I'm not married to my ideas so much that I have to be the one to create it. At the end of the day, I just think these graphs would be good for fight fans the world over as well as good for your website.

[felinoboxing]

Hi. How will we know WHR has stabilized?

[computerrank]

Hi. How will we know WHR has stabilized?

There were no ratings algorithm changes the last 4 weeks ...

[Manrae]

Hi. How will we know WHR has stabilized?

There were no ratings algorithm changes the last 4 weeks ...

Jack Johnson & Sam Langford are way too low... changes must be made...

[margaret thatcher]

Any computerized ranking system some dude gonna find dudes who are too low

[computerrank]

Jack Johnson & Sam Langford are way too low... changes must be made...

Langford never got a title shot, he was blacklisted and avoided, so he never got a chance to earn the points he missed out on. So I can understand that statistically.

But Papa Jack...looking at his record, BoxRec says, not only was he never in a 5-star fight, he was never in a 4-star fight! Even though he won 6 world heavyweight title bouts! Back when there was only 1 world champion at a time. That's just crazy. Show me the boxing historian who thinks there were 172 better heavyweight fighters.

Jack Johnson and Sam Langford were the best at their time. But nobody can say they were better or worse than modern boxers. The match-ups and the result findings were very different at that times. Both boxers are in the line of top Heavyweights, but their competition was not comparable with modern times. Jack Dempsey and then Gene Tunney were the first to reach modern level.