Junior Witter/Devon Alexander

[opticald]

Ian - just out of interest what would you base 'most, if not all would beat Hatton'.

I ask because only 2 fights ago against Malignaggi, Hatton looked very good.

Suddenly after getting knocked out (very early) against the best fighter in the world he would all of a sudden lose to all of these fighters like Khan etc etc???

I agree maybe he should not fight again but I for one am interested to see what he has left.

For me:

Khan - W KO 8
Bradley - W SD
Alexander - W UD, come on Witter made him look better than he is
Maidana - W KO 6 in a war

I could be wrong but its wrong to write off Hatton just yet although the days of fighting the very very best are over

PS. Long hard season for both teams me thinks McNeilly

Kevin

The Hatton who fought Malignaggi gets sparked by Maidana and loses to Khan, Bradley & Alexander imo.

The Hatton who was holding on for his life at certain times against Lazcano, also loses to all four.

The Hatton who was holding on for his life against Collazo also loses to all four.

So it's more a case of people having different opinions on Hattons ability. You obviously think he would hammer all four opponents.

[superpunchout]

But Witter also probably loses to all four too and he isn't nearly as shopworn as Hatton.

That's what get's me.

I have no doubt that Hatton ducked Witter in order to save his strength for the trials that awaited him on the world circiut. Whilst maybe a nessacary evil, I can understand why this gets up peoples nose, especially the fans. It could also be said that the list of excuses for doing so were a little bit of an insult to the intelligence, particularly when Witter won the vacant WBC belt after defeating DeMarcus Corley.

BUT...I absolutely destest the way some people are using Hatton's policy of avoidance into glorifying Witter as this fearsome world beater who "stretches" the likes of Tszyu and other top class opposition without breaking a sweat.

Witter is about as good as Ricky Hatton all told.

As I've said before, in terms of sheer physical talent I actually think he's a level above (I imagine he probably look like a demigod in the gym) but what evens the playing field is that Witter has this strange capacity to fiddle his way to defeat in fights that he should be more than capable of winning.

[Wrists]

Actually no I dont.

I think he would stop Khan after being outboxed early.
Think Maidana would be a good style for Ricky

and

I think Alexander is not that good and Bradley whilst a hard fight I think would lose a close one.

The key for alexander and bradley is that I dont think they hit hard enough to really discourage Hatton.

Mind, this all comes with the proviso that Hatton's punch resistance is not totally shot, I dont belive it is, however I could be wrong and it could be therefore he could lose his next fight.

I just don't think you can use the Pacquaio fight as the ultimate barometer of someone's punch resistance, the guy hits like a ffing truck!!

Kevin

[Dioufy]

The Hatton who fought Malignaggi gets sparked by Maidana.

No offence, pal, but I stopped reading there. The Malignaggi win, and the way he did it, was one of his better wins. Many people on here thought Malignaggi would be too slick for Hatton, but Hatton did a wonderful job on him. Yes, he was allowed to walk through him, but Hatton did a better job on Paulie that Cotto did, and Paulie buzzed Cotto. For me, on that performance, he beats Maidana (who is just another version of Urango, just ask Kotelnik), Alexander (who is being made out to be the second-coming of Aaron Pryor by the Witter fans), Khan (who under a year ago people were advising him to retire so he wouldn't get hurt in the ring), and Bradley (who is the best of the four, but the Hatton that fought Malignaggi would still beat him. Christ, a washed-up and inept Witter took it to a SD). Imagine what a fit, healthy, accurate, powerful and determined Hatton would've done to Bradley that night.

You seem to talk a lot of sense, mate, but I strongly disagree with you in the above paragraph. Hatton is an exceptional fighter (who wasn't elite, but was world-class), who would've took any version of Witter apart. I don't know why the fight didn't happen. But I know one thing, Junior was never world-class. He beat fighters for vacant titles all of his career. He beat Corley for the vacant world championship (and look what Corley has done since). His best win was Harris, who got took apart by Maussa, who Hatton knocked into the following week. God knows who Morua is. Witter was all mouth and he would've endeared himself to the boxing community more so if he backed up his mouth. He was awful against Judah, Alexander and Bradley, and lost. Lost badly too. I mean, look at the Bradley fight. A perfect opportunity on ITV to show us what he's about and he fluffs his lines big. I thinks that's massively typical of him.

Hatton fought and beat numerous world champions. He's a two-weight world champion. He's been the ring champion at 140lbs. He's unified. He's beat a P4P player. He's fought back from adversity. I don't think we can say the same about the Quitter, can we?

[DG.]

Witter would have beat Urango easily too, just too much speed.

I agree, but my point is, when Witter has a bad day he gets beat. If the negative as hell Witter who fought Judah, or the completely inept Witter who fought against Bradley and Alexander would've fought Urango the he'd have been knocked spark out by Urango, IMO.

That's one of the redeeming differences between Hatton and Witter. If Hatton's in massive trouble, he digs in, but if Witter doesn't have it his own way and his pot-shotting isn't working then he loses interest and rolls to a clear loss or quits with 'elbow injury.'

When Hatton has a bad day he get knocked OUT! Never happened to Witter on a bad day.

Better to retire on an injury ( genuine) than be beaten to a poop in the ring and heabutt posts.

Also against Bradley he hung in there.

Hatton is a bully, whe he has a bad day he holds on all effin night!

[DG.]

The Hatton who fought Malignaggi gets sparked by Maidana.

No offence, pal, but I stopped reading there. The Malignaggi win, and the way he did it, was one of his better wins. Many people on here thought Malignaggi would be too slick for Hatton, but Hatton did a wonderful job on him.

Yes, he was allowed to walk through him, but Hatton did a better job on Paulie that Cotto did, and Paulie buzzed Cotto. For me, on that performance, he beats Maidana (who is just another version of Urango, just ask Kotelnik), Alexander (who is being made out to be the second-coming of Aaron Pryor by the Witter fans), Khan (who under a year ago people were advising him to retire so he wouldn't get hurt in the ring), and Bradley (who is the best of the four, but the Hatton that fought Malignaggi would still beat him. Christ, a washed-up and inept Witter took it to a SD). Imagine what a fit, healthy, accurate, powerful and determined Hatton would've done to Bradley that night.

You seem to talk a lot of sense, mate, but I strongly disagree with you in the above paragraph. Hatton is an exceptional fighter (who wasn't elite, but was world-class), who would've took any version of Witter apart. I don't know why the fight didn't happen. But I know one thing, Junior was never world-class. He beat fighters for vacant titles all of his career. He beat Corley for the vacant world championship (and look what Corley has done since). His best win was Harris, who got took apart by Maussa, who Hatton knocked into the following week. God knows who Morua is. Witter was all mouth and he would've endeared himself to the boxing community more so if he backed up his mouth. He was awful against Judah, Alexander and Bradley, and lost. Lost badly too. I mean, look at the Bradley fight. A perfect opportunity on ITV to show us what he's about and he fluffs his lines big. I thinks that's massively typical of him.

Hatton fought and beat numerous world champions. He's a two-weight world champion. He's been the ring champion at 140lbs. He's unified. He's beat a P4P player. He's fought back from adversity. I don't think we can say the same about the Quitter, can we?

You are pathetic.

[Wrists]

Hardly - in fact he has argued the case for Hatton very well rather than simply abusing him

[DG.]

Hardly - in fact he has argued the case for Hatton very well rather than simply abusing him

The boy is blinkered!

[opticald]

But Witter also probably loses to all four too and he isn't nearly as shopworn as Hatton.

That's what get's me.

I have no doubt that Hatton ducked Witter in order to save his strength for the trials that awaited him on the world circiut. Whilst maybe a nessacary evil, I can understand why this gets up peoples nose, especially the fans. It could also be said that the list of excuses for doing so were a little bit of an insult to the intelligence, particularly when Witter won the vacant WBC belt after defeating DeMarcus Corley.

BUT...I absolutely destest the way some people are using Hatton's policy of avoidance into glorifying Witter as this fearsome world beater who "stretches" the likes of Tszyu and other top class opposition without breaking a sweat.

Witter is about as good as Ricky Hatton all told.

As I've said before, in terms of sheer physical talent I actually think he's a level above (I imagine he probably look like a demigod in the gym) but what evens the playing field is that Witter has this strange capacity to fiddle his way to defeat in fights that he should be more than capable of winning.

First of all, I'm glad you accept Hatton ducked Witter, for whatever reason, the fact here is he ducked him and if everyone used a bit of cop on and accepted that, this thread wouldn't be so long.

You made some good points and I agree with them. I think Witter fans DO enhance Witter, due to Hattons policy of avoidance. Who would have won between Hatton and Witter back then is always going to be a topic of discussion every do often on British message boards. One can argue both ways. I think they were round about the same level and agree with you there too. I just look at the style of Witter, and the styles that have given Hatton trouble and I see Witter KOing him. However, as I said, arguments can be made.

[opticald]

The Hatton who fought Malignaggi gets sparked by Maidana.

No offence, pal, but I stopped reading there. The Malignaggi win, and the way he did it, was one of his better wins. Many people on here thought Malignaggi would be too slick for Hatton, but Hatton did a wonderful job on him. Yes, he was allowed to walk through him, but Hatton did a better job on Paulie that Cotto did, and Paulie buzzed Cotto. For me, on that performance, he beats Maidana (who is just another version of Urango, just ask Kotelnik), Alexander (who is being made out to be the second-coming of Aaron Pryor by the Witter fans), Khan (who under a year ago people were advising him to retire so he wouldn't get hurt in the ring), and Bradley (who is the best of the four, but the Hatton that fought Malignaggi would still beat him. Christ, a washed-up and inept Witter took it to a SD). Imagine what a fit, healthy, accurate, powerful and determined Hatton would've done to Bradley that night.

You seem to talk a lot of sense, mate, but I strongly disagree with you in the above paragraph. Hatton is an exceptional fighter (who wasn't elite, but was world-class), who would've took any version of Witter apart. I don't know why the fight didn't happen. But I know one thing, Junior was never world-class. He beat fighters for vacant titles all of his career. He beat Corley for the vacant world championship (and look what Corley has done since). His best win was Harris, who got took apart by Maussa, who Hatton knocked into the following week. God knows who Morua is. Witter was all mouth and he would've endeared himself to the boxing community more so if he backed up his mouth. He was awful against Judah, Alexander and Bradley, and lost. Lost badly too. I mean, look at the Bradley fight. A perfect opportunity on ITV to show us what he's about and he fluffs his lines big. I thinks that's massively typical of him.

Hatton fought and beat numerous world champions. He's a two-weight world champion. He's been the ring champion at 140lbs. He's unified. He's beat a P4P player. He's fought back from adversity. I don't think we can say the same about the Quitter, can we?

Hatton did look good against Malignaggi, but Malignaggi was a light hitter and Hatton could walk through him. However, due to the fact that Hatton looked "back to his best" against Malignaggi and then a few months later goes in with Pacman and gets an absolute walloping, I don't buy into the "Hatton is shot" arguments that are being put forth for his poor showing against Pacman. I just don't think he was EVER near to that level and could ever deal with PUNCHERS. And that is what maidana is, through and through. 25 KOs in 26 wins? That's frightening and I am looking at a Ricky Hatton that was wobbled against Magee and Lazcano, amongst others. He is very hitable and I believe Maidana would only need one. Torres, I also believe, would absolutely hammer Hatton to the canvas.

I don't buy into the Hatton hype so we are starting from different points when we discuss Hatton. He struggled at times with Maussa, Urango, Collazo, Lazcano. Lets not glorify those wins and lets see them for what they were. Maussa was not even C-class and got lucky to win his title (Harris severely underperformed). Urango got completely outboxed by Rabah and got a gift decision. Collazo, I concede, was a decent 147 pounder, but he came close to finishing Hatton and gave him VERY shaky moments indeed (However, look at what Mosley did to collazo). And Lazcano was a 135 pounder tailor made for Hatton... and he shook Hatton up a few times.

I think Maidana, Khan, Bradley and Alexander are better than Urango, Collazo, Lazcano and Maussa by a CONSIDERABLE margin.

As for your other points, Witter proved himself world class by beating Ndou, Harris, Corley and Kotelnik imo. Corley and Ndou put up a much better showing against Cotto than Malignaggi, and I do respect Kotelnik, (and Khan even more for his victory). There is no doubt that Witter would have been competitive with Hatton in a match-up and I personally think he'd have KO'd Hatton in a very similar fashion to what Pacman produced, due to the styles at hand. Hatton would have been leaping into the most powerful punches he would have felt up to that point in his career.

It's a debate that will go on and on. I can agree to disagree with you, because you do back up your arguments cogently. However, I will disagree on this one.

[HughJohnson]

When Hatton has a bad day he get knocked OUT! Never happened to Witter on a bad day.

Better to retire on an injury ( genuine) than be beaten to a poop in the ring and heabutt posts.

Also against Bradley he hung in there.

Hatton is a bully, whe he has a bad day he holds on all effin night!

Hatton got KO`d because he was fighting the best fighters of our generation at thier peak.

Witter would never headbutt the ring post because he would of already waved his white flag and be sat in british airways flight 313 quaffing champers.

Yeah...against Bradley he "hung" in there alright...and you critisize Hatton for hugging


Hatton is a bully in the ring because he`s there to fight, Witter runs,leaps in then holds on.....I find his style is more dash than flash.

Hatton would bully Jnr around the ring for 8 rounds before Jnr packs up and trotts off home playing tunes on his pipe whilst you little rats follow....

[superpunchout]

But Witter also probably loses to all four too and he isn't nearly as shopworn as Hatton.

That's what get's me.

I have no doubt that Hatton ducked Witter in order to save his strength for the trials that awaited him on the world circiut. Whilst maybe a nessacary evil, I can understand why this gets up peoples nose, especially the fans. It could also be said that the list of excuses for doing so were a little bit of an insult to the intelligence, particularly when Witter won the vacant WBC belt after defeating DeMarcus Corley.

BUT...I absolutely destest the way some people are using Hatton's policy of avoidance into glorifying Witter as this fearsome world beater who "stretches" the likes of Tszyu and other top class opposition without breaking a sweat.

Witter is about as good as Ricky Hatton all told.

As I've said before, in terms of sheer physical talent I actually think he's a level above (I imagine he probably look like a demigod in the gym) but what evens the playing field is that Witter has this strange capacity to fiddle his way to defeat in fights that he should be more than capable of winning.

First of all, I'm glad you accept Hatton ducked Witter, for whatever reason, the fact here is he ducked him and if everyone used a bit of cop on and accepted that, this thread wouldn't be so long.

You made some good points and I agree with them. I think Witter fans DO enhance Witter, due to Hattons policy of avoidance. Who would have won between Hatton and Witter back then is always going to be a topic of discussion every do often on British message boards. One can argue both ways. I think they were round about the same level and agree with you there too. I just look at the style of Witter, and the styles that have given Hatton trouble and I see Witter KOing him. However, as I said, arguments can be made.

Whereas I see Witter putting too much pressure on himself trying to set Hatton up for the higlight reel finish and being outworked in a stinker of a points loss and cursing himself for not boxing his way into the match (and then chasing Hatton for the next decade for a rematch lol). In all honesty though there are so many intangibles that I wouldn't put a penny on either.

Just to cap off, I'm a massive fan of Hatton and nothing will change that. In his own right he has been a great fighter who has created a thoroughly entertaining bandwagon as well as elevating the profile of British boxing to a wider demographic. It may be generations before we see his like again. But I fully accept that he was far from perfect.

[n1ebf]

But Witter also probably loses to all four too and he isn't nearly as shopworn as Hatton.

That's what get's me.

I have no doubt that Hatton ducked Witter in order to save his strength for the trials that awaited him on the world circiut. Whilst maybe a nessacary evil, I can understand why this gets up peoples nose, especially the fans. It could also be said that the list of excuses for doing so were a little bit of an insult to the intelligence, particularly when Witter won the vacant WBC belt after defeating DeMarcus Corley.

BUT...I absolutely destest the way some people are using Hatton's policy of avoidance into glorifying Witter as this fearsome world beater who "stretches" the likes of Tszyu and other top class opposition without breaking a sweat.

Witter is about as good as Ricky Hatton all told.

As I've said before, in terms of sheer physical talent I actually think he's a level above (I imagine he probably look like a demigod in the gym) but what evens the playing field is that Witter has this strange capacity to fiddle his way to defeat in fights that he should be more than capable of winning.

First of all, I'm glad you accept Hatton ducked Witter, for whatever reason, the fact here is he ducked him and if everyone used a bit of cop on and accepted that, this thread wouldn't be so long.

You made some good points and I agree with them. I think Witter fans DO enhance Witter, due to Hattons policy of avoidance. Who would have won between Hatton and Witter back then is always going to be a topic of discussion every do often on British message boards. One can argue both ways. I think they were round about the same level and agree with you there too. I just look at the style of Witter, and the styles that have given Hatton trouble and I see Witter KOing him. However, as I said, arguments can be made.

Whereas I see Witter putting too much pressure on himself trying to set Hatton up for the higlight reel finish and being outworked in a stinker of a points loss and cursing himself for not boxing his way into the match (and then chasing Hatton for the next decade for a rematch lol). In all honesty though there are so many intangibles that I wouldn't put a penny on either.

Just to cap off, I'm a massive fan of Hatton and nothing will change that. In his own right he has been a great fighter who has created a thoroughly entertaining bandwagon as well as elevating the profile of British boxing to a wider demographic. It may be generations before we see his like again. But I fully accept that he was far from perfect.

Hatton likes a pint and he comes from Manchester. He IS Manchester. On a level. He's also a Man City fan, which is as Manchester as it gets, I'm United personally. City have been shite for a few years now and suddenly a lad comes along that likes a pie, a pint and a fight. And he was never afraid to fight - remember that. If Ricky Hatton came from my town or the town of most people on this forum he'd have gone just as far but would have been nowhere like the phenomenom he is/ has been. Ricky Hatton being so big is as much down to his image and birth place as down to his boxing ability, in fact it's more down to those things if you ask me, which is to take nothing away from the man's heart, ability or boxing brain. That needed saying.
Personally I'm of the opinion that Junior Witter for a good few years, at Hatton's peak, possessed the balls, the power and ability to beat Hatton, he just never got the shot, and there's one reason why he didn't in my opinion. Assuming Witter turned up of course, which he would have done.
Hatton Witter would have more than likely cost Hatton his shot at Mayweather as I don't think he'd have been carrying his "0" into that fight had he fought Witter first.
But whether he dodged him or whether he didn't he definitely made more money by not fighting Witter, and over a couple of years he's turned at least a couple of million British kids on to boxing.

[DG.]

When Hatton has a bad day he get knocked OUT! Never happened to Witter on a bad day.

Better to retire on an injury ( genuine) than be beaten to a poop in the ring and heabutt posts.

Also against Bradley he hung in there.

Hatton is a bully, whe he has a bad day he holds on all effin night!

Hatton got KO`d because he was fighting the best fighters of our generation at thier peak.

Witter would never headbutt the ring post because he would of already waved his white flag and be sat in british airways flight 313 quaffing champers.

Yeah...against Bradley he "hung" in there alright...and you critisize Hatton for hugging


Hatton is a bully in the ring because he`s there to fight, Witter runs,leaps in then holds on.....I find his style is more dash than flash.

Hatton would bully Jnr around the ring for 8 rounds before Jnr packs up and trotts off home playing tunes on his pipe whilst you little rats follow....

Lazcano - Magee - Collazo all had Hattonin troubel. He could and would just as easily get crushed by Torres - Holt - Clottey etc.

Now go back to your basket.

[dondada]

Ian - just out of interest what would you base 'most, if not all would beat Hatton'.
I ask because only 2 fights ago against Malignaggi, Hatton looked very good.
Suddenly after getting knocked out (very early) against the best fighter in the world he would all of a sudden lose to all of these fighters like Khan etc etc???
I agree maybe he should not fight again but I for one am interested to see what he has left.
For me:
Khan - W KO 8
Bradley - W SD
Alexander - W UD, come on Witter made him look better than he is
Maidana - W KO 6 in a war

I take your point, Kev. I just think there's been a lot of dirty water under the Hatton bridge since Malignaggi. I'd be amazed, looking at him now, if he could get back in decent enough physical and psychological shape to take on hungry, young, able fighters. Khan is quicker than Paulie, Bradley and Maidana probably stronger and Alexander a good all rounder. But this isn't about how good they are - it's about how far back Hatton might have gone in a short space of time. Hey, he might be fine, who knows?

[Dioufy]

It's a debate that will go on and on. I can agree to disagree with you, because you do back up your arguments cogently. However, I will disagree on this one.

No problems, pal. And I agree that I don't think Hatton is shot to pieces. Like someone before me said in this thread. The Pacquiao defeat, and manner of it, isn't a good barometer on his punch resistance. Pacquiao is the best in the world, and one of the most lethal punchers in the game today.

But Maidana and Torres aren't that good. Yes, Maidana beat GBP's golden boy but Maidana was losing that fight until Ortiz's heart let him down. They're just one-dimensional sluggers. And it my opinion, Hatton would break them down with relative ease. Just look at Torres' last fight - he was diabolical up until he got the KO.

Also, Hatton and Witter are completely different fighters, so it's impossible to say who's best. But it's safe to say that Hatton had the more appealing style, did a lot more, beat better fighters and fought with his heart on his sleeve. Could you ever imagine seeing Hatton giving up to a prospect? And citing an 'injury' for doing it?

[jamesmcdonnell]

Ian - just out of interest what would you base 'most, if not all would beat Hatton'.
I ask because only 2 fights ago against Malignaggi, Hatton looked very good.
Suddenly after getting knocked out (very early) against the best fighter in the world he would all of a sudden lose to all of these fighters like Khan etc etc???
I agree maybe he should not fight again but I for one am interested to see what he has left.
For me:
Khan - W KO 8
Bradley - W SD
Alexander - W UD, come on Witter made him look better than he is
Maidana - W KO 6 in a war

I take your point, Kev. I just think there's been a lot of dirty water under the Hatton bridge since Malignaggi. I'd be amazed, looking at him now, if he could get back in decent enough physical and psychological shape to take on hungry, young, able fighters. Khan is quicker than Paulie, Bradley and Maidana probably stronger and Alexander a good all rounder. But this isn't about how good they are - it's about how far back Hatton might have gone in a short space of time. Hey, he might be fine, who knows?

I think it's easy to say 'Hatton's badly on the slide' based on his terribly loss to Pacman, his poor showing against Lazcano, and the Mayweather defeat.

He deffo isn't the physical specimen he was three years or more ago, however, I still think he may well be good enough to beat most of the other 140 lb fighters out there.

I still think that right now, unless of course he is completely shot and his punch resistance is totally gone, he would batter Khan into submission within nine rounds.

As you say, who can tell, it's not easy to map a fighters decline until their career is over.

[banjo]

When Hatton has a bad day he get knocked OUT! Never happened to Witter on a bad day.

Better to retire on an injury ( genuine) than be beaten to a poop in the ring and heabutt posts.

Also against Bradley he hung in there.

Hatton is a bully, whe he has a bad day he holds on all effin night!

Hatton got KO`d because he was fighting the best fighters of our generation at thier peak.

Witter would never headbutt the ring post because he would of already waved his white flag and be sat in british airways flight 313 quaffing champers.

Yeah...against Bradley he "hung" in there alright...and you critisize Hatton for hugging


Hatton is a bully in the ring because he`s there to fight, Witter runs,leaps in then holds on.....I find his style is more dash than flash.

Hatton would bully Jnr around the ring for 8 rounds before Jnr packs up and trotts off home playing tunes on his pipe whilst you little rats follow....

Lazcano - Magee - Collazo all had Hattonin troubel. He could and would just as easily get crushed by Torres - Holt - Clottey etc.

Now go back to your basket.

Torres isn't that good, he can whack a bit but he's just another Maussa type fighter, wild, unpredictable and dangerous but anybody with their mindset right would beat him.

Never ever been impressed with Kendall Holt, again he can hit a bit and is technically more sound than Torres but nothing special.

Clottey is too big and powerful for Hatton.

[DG.]

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Torres isn't that good, he can whack a bit but he's just another Maussa type fighter, wild, unpredictable and dangerous but anybody with their mindset right would beat him.

Never ever been impressed with Kendall Holt, again he can hit a bit and is technically more sound than Torres but nothing special.

Clottey is too big and powerful for Hatton.

I think anyomne with a big punch coould beat wrick, he does not really fight punchers at their natural weight.

Pac can punch but was unproven at 10st - PBF could punch but at Superfeather.

KT is his best win and he was not anywhere near his best.

Any of the TOP 10 at Welter would beat Hatton and a fair few hungry guys at 10st.

How the hell they called him the best at 10st for years is a joke, as PBF would say 'who he beat?'

DD

[DG.]

Dioufy, send me a check for keeping this therrad going, da DG magic has been spread on this thread.


DD

[dondada]

I think it's easy to say 'Hatton's badly on the slide' based on his terribly loss to Pacman

It isn't just the loss though, Jim. It isn't even the manner of it - though it's partly that. It's the terrible camp before it and his self-indulgence since which has reached new depths.

I heard an interview with him on Cockney station Tawk Spawt this morning and although he trotted out the same 'nothing to declare' bits and bobs, he just sounds like a man who has had enough but can't face calling time on it. And anyone with a heart can understand why if this is the case.

Who knows though - I'd love to see him knock the pop and pies on the head and come back with genuine fire rather than a fried breakfast in his belly. But I'd hate to see a Hatton shell step through the ropes and get bashed up just for money.

[DavidPayne]

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Torres isn't that good, he can whack a bit but he's just another Maussa type fighter, wild, unpredictable and dangerous but anybody with their mindset right would beat him.

Never ever been impressed with Kendall Holt, again he can hit a bit and is technically more sound than Torres but nothing special.

Clottey is too big and powerful for Hatton.

I think anyomne with a big punch coould beat wrick, he does not really fight punchers at their natural weight.

Pac can punch but was unproven at 10st - PBF could punch but at Superfeather.

KT is his best win and he was not anywhere near his best.

Any of the TOP 10 at Welter would beat Hatton and a fair few hungry guys at 10st.

How the hell they called him the best at 10st for years is a joke, as PBF would say 'who he beat?'

:DDD

Once more, there are incredible similarities with Hamed's career. Dominance of sorts in one division but found out by hungry, top class opponent - blamed camp, left with millions, got fat.

[Roars Like Me]

Wrists, it doesn't matter if Hatton beats Alexander, Bradley, Maidana, ect, ect, because some people would find ways of putting them down.

Ben Rabah was ROBBED of the belt against Urango and Hatton hugged his wahy through.

Mills Lane would have thrown Hatton out!

Men settle their arguments in the ring.

Who can forget Hattons little girl rant re Witter excuse number 7

'he said nasty fings about me - I am not fighting him - I will punish him by not fighting him'

PBF calls Hatton much worse and Hatton wants to fight him 'because that's what Wricvky Hatton is all about - I don't duck nobody'

That boy should be a comedian, wait a minute?

Diousy, take your head out of Hattons lap, the boy is a walking contradiction.

'Men settle their arguments in the ring'.
They do indeed - unless your elbow hurts of course

[hitman_hatton1]

'Men settle their arguments in the ring'.
They do indeed - unless your elbow hurts of course

hatton has had plenty of elbow trouble over the years.

remember those shots of hatton in agony during the mayweather 24/7 build up.

fights thru that pain.

[DG.]

Wrists, it doesn't matter if Hatton beats Alexander, Bradley, Maidana, ect, ect, because some people would find ways of putting them down.

Ben Rabah was ROBBED of the belt against Urango and Hatton hugged his wahy through.

Mills Lane would have thrown Hatton out!

Men settle their arguments in the ring.

Who can forget Hattons little girl rant re Witter excuse number 7

'he said nasty fings about me - I am not fighting him - I will punish him by not fighting him'

PBF calls Hatton much worse and Hatton wants to fight him 'because that's what Wricvky Hatton is all about - I don't duck nobody'

That boy should be a comedian, wait a minute?

Diousy, take your head out of Hattons lap, the boy is a walking contradiction.

'Men settle their arguments in the ring'.
They do indeed - unless your elbow hurts of course

Hatton bottled it agaisnt Witter!

DD