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[scartissue]

Hey guys, let's liven up this thread. Today I checked out the second fight between Victor Galindez and Yaqui Lopez. Av ery tough fight to score. Galindez was laying back in counter-punching mode and Lopez primarily jabbed and occasionally mixed it, so you really have to watch this close because it's not the liveliest - not as good as their first fight anyway. But here you go. 10 point must system in effect.

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Galindez
Round 3: 10-9 Galndez
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Galindez
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Galindez
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-9 Lopez
Round 12: 10-10 Even
Round 13: 10-9 Galindez
Round 14: 10-9 Galindez
Round 15: 10-9 Lopez

144-144 Draw

Some very close rounds here, guys

[scartissue]

Really got annoyed today. Sat down to score the John Conteh-Mate Parlov fight only to find the 14th round missing. Saw it when it happened - didn't score it then but thought it could go either way. Now I score it and its missing one round. Regardless, here we go.

Round 1: 10-9 Conteh
Round 2: 10-9 Parlov
Round 3: 10-9 Conteh
Round 4: 10-9 Parlov
Round 5: 10-9 Parlov
Round 6: 10-9 Conteh
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 9-9 Even (I felt Conteh's round but he lost a point for use of the head)
Round 9: 10-9 Parlov
Round 10:10-9 Conteh
Round 11:10-9 Conteh
Round 12:10-9 Conteh
Round 13:10-9 Conteh
Round 14: ?? Round missing
Round 15: 9-9 Even (Conteh's round but lost a point for use of the elbow)

With the missing round my tally was 134-131 for Conteh. Even if I gave the 14th to Parlov we would be looking at 143-141 for Conteh. Parlov's style is a slapping open-handed right jab but he used it liberally, so you have to separate those point-getters from the power shots of Conteh. Tough loss for Conteh.

[King Carlos]

Hearns beat Benitez way better than Sugar Ray did.

I thought Leonard made Benitez look far worse than Hearns. Both won wide, but defensively Benitez's performance against Hearns was one of his most impressive. Just lacked the offense to score consistently, so Hearns ran away with it on the cards. Leonard just beat him in every aspect and then finished him.

[witherspoon]

I just watched Robbie Sims v Doug Dewitt for the WBO Middleweight title from 1989.
Very entertaining fight with many 'sub-plots' (to quote Al Bernstein).
I scored 115-113 for Dewitt.

[Seamus]

Recently watched Bobby Chacon vs Danny Lopez and scored it 8-0 for Chacon leading into the stoppage in the 9th. Lopez just not busy enough with his hands against a guy that was. To me, Chacon's jab didn't look exceptional, but he made frequent use of it to great advantage. Ever notice how many times the guy that loses a fight is the one that neglects using the jab ?

[Counter-puncher]

Recently watched Bobby Chacon vs Danny Lopez and scored it 8-0 for Chacon leading into the stoppage in the 9th. Lopez just not busy enough with his hands against a guy that was. To me, Chacon's jab didn't look exceptional, but he made frequent use of it to great advantage. Ever notice how many times the guy that loses a fight is the one that neglects using the jab ?

Haven't seen this in a while Seamus and I have lost my copy which is a bitch.

My recollection didn't have Lopez having a particular problem with his workrate, it could be though that as he took some tremendous punishment early he was letting his hands go less than usual.

Some of the punches he was absorbing were really sickening, just because they were so clean and Lopez took them so, so flush, and from a.hard puncher too.

[King Carlos]

Chacon gave Lopez just as thorough a beating as Sanchez did, and he did it first. Yet, you never hear him getting that kind of credit for it.

[Counter-puncher]

Chacon gave Lopez just as thorough a beating as Sanchez did, and he did it first. Yet, you never hear him getting that kind of credit for it.

He has got the credit from me a couple of times on this forum but I take your point. In some ways I winced more often and more thoroughly when watching the chacon fight than either Sanchez fight.

I believe Lopez cam into the chacon fight around 122lbs? That can't have helped him.

[King Carlos]

I doubt it was much of an issue at that stage. Up to that point he'd mostly weighed in between 118 and 123 or so (he was 123 1/2 for this one) on fight night.

[elmersalsa]

Hearns beat Benitez way better than Sugar Ray did.

I thought Leonard made Benitez look far worse than Hearns. Both won wide, but defensively Benitez's performance against Hearns was one of his most impressive. Just lacked the offense to score consistently, so Hearns ran away with it on the cards. Leonard just beat him in every aspect and then finished him.

No sir, The Hitman was more dominant against The Radar than Sugar Ray ever did

[Seamus]

The really surprising thing about the Chacon v Lopez bout is how a guy with Little Red's power can't even make Chacon respect him a little. A rematch later down the road would have been nice.

[King Carlos]

Hearns beat Benitez way better than Sugar Ray did.

I thought Leonard made Benitez look far worse than Hearns. Both won wide, but defensively Benitez's performance against Hearns was one of his most impressive. Just lacked the offense to score consistently, so Hearns ran away with it on the cards. Leonard just beat him in every aspect and then finished him.

No sir, The Hitman was more dominant against The Radar than Sugar Ray ever did

I'm pretty sure we already had this disagreement earlier in this same thread, come to think of it. No need to rehash it.

[Counter-puncher]

The really surprising thing about the Chacon v Lopez bout is how a guy with Little Red's power can't even make Chacon respect him a little. .

he couldn't land clean enough often enough, from memory. Chacon was at his alltime best from the fights I have seen him in, against Lopez, very slippery that night with the jitterbug-kindof movement, the precise deft headslips and murderous counters

[Counter-puncher]

I doubt it was much of an issue at that stage. Up to that point he'd mostly weighed in between 118 and 123 or so (he was 123 1/2 for this one) on fight night.

right, thanks

[Seamus]

On Elmer's recommendation

Azumah Nelson vs Mario Martinez

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 AN
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-8 MM (Nelson down and hurt by a right-left combination to the head)
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 MM

Mario Martinez 116-114

Closer than the commentators had it I thought, but Martinez had to be disappointed. Of course his biggest mistake of the fight was not going after Nelson at the start of the 11th when he still hadn't recovered.

[elmersalsa]

On Elmer's recommendation

Azumah Nelson vs Mario Martinez

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 AN
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-8 MM (Nelson down and hurt by a right-left combination to the head)
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 MM

Mario Martinez 116-114

Closer than the commentators had it I thought, but Martinez had to be disappointed. Of course his biggest mistake of the fight was not going after Nelson at the start of the 11th when he still hadn't recovered.

It was a great fight, Seamus. In a close fight, when one fighter puts down the other one, it should automatically give the fight to the one that made the knockdown. Mario Martinez won that fight outright. Great fight, though.

[scartissue]

Guys, here's a real Christmas treat for you if you've never seen it. The Boza-Edwards-Roberto Elizondo 10 rounder. Saw it back in the day, but remembered it again recently. All I can say is Wow!. It didn't lose its luster over the years. Here we go, 10 point must system.

Round 1: 10-9 Elizondo
Round 2: 10-9 Elizondo - I saw the first portion of the round and the last portion. A power failure took out the action in between. I felt Elizondo controlled what I did see and the announcer stated that Elizondo really 'sparkled' that round. So I had to take a leap of faith.
Round 3: 10-9 Boza
Round 4: 10-9 Boza
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Boza
Round 8: 10-9 Elizondo
Round 9: 10-9 Boza
Round 10: 10-9 Boza

Total: 97-95 Boza Edwards

This fight was amazing. Fought at break neck speed and phonebooth warfare. Rounds 8, 9 & 10 were incredible, but actually, every round was. I must tackle the Nelson-Martinez fight next. It sounds great.

[scartissue]

On Elmer's recommendation

Azumah Nelson vs Mario Martinez

R1.10-9 AN
R2.10-9 AN
R3.10-9 MM
R4.10-9 AN
R5.10-9 MM
R6.10-10
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 AN
R9.10-9 MM
R10.10-8 MM (Nelson down and hurt by a right-left combination to the head)
R11.10-10
R12.10-9 MM

Mario Martinez 116-114

Closer than the commentators had it I thought, but Martinez had to be disappointed. Of course his biggest mistake of the fight was not going after Nelson at the start of the 11th when he still hadn't recovered.

Seamus, tackled this one today. Did not see this at the time for whatever reason, so thanks to you and Elmer for recomending. Here we go.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-9 Nelson
Round 3: 10-9 Martinez
Round 4: 10-9 Nelson
Round 5: 10-9 Martinez
Round 6: 10-9 Nelson
Round 7: 10-9 Martinez
Round 8: 10-9 Martinez
Round 9: 10-9 Martinez
Round 10: 10-8 Martinez (scored a knockdown)
Round 11: 10-9 Nelson
Round 12: 10-9 Martinez

116-112 Martinez

Wow! Martinez so expected to be crowned in this one and rightfully so. You and I agreed on 7 rounds, there were 4 even (swing rounds) and we only disagreed on the 8th round. And for what it's worth, i almost scored the 7th even but at the last second gave it to MM due to his aggression. So our scores are pretty tight on this one and more realistic on what actually happened out there.

[Seamus]

Alexis Arguello vs Jose Luis Ramirez

R1.10-10
R2.10-9 AA
R3.10-9 JLR
R4.10-10
R5.10-9 AA
R6.10-8 JLR (Arguello down from a left to the chin in a rd he was winning)
R7.10-10
R8.10-9 JLR
R9.10-10
R10.10-9 JLR

Jose Luis Ramirez 98-95

Outstanding performance from 21 yr old Ramirez against veteran Arguello. He counterpunched very effectively and also dug down deep anytime Arguello appeared to be taking control. I've seen alot worse, but yes it was a bad decision.

[Seamus]

Kuniaki Shibata vs Ben Villaflor I

R1.5-5
R2.5-4 KS
R3.5-4 KS
R4.5-4 KS
R5.5-4 KS
R6.5-4 KS
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 KS
R9.5-4 KS
R10.5-4 BV
R11.5-5
R12.5-4 BV
R13.5-4 BV
R14.5-4 BV
R15.5-5

Kuniaki Shibata 71-68

What a treat Kuniaki Shibata is to watch. Always bobbing and weaving and firing off combinations while Villaflor spends the first 9 rds pretty much looking for one big punch. Then in the 10th Villafor switches to Boxing Basics 101 and really starts using his jab and wins the round. Villaflor makes a rally but Shibata counterpunches so effectively in the final minute of the fight that I score 15th round even. At the time I remember some claims that Villaflor deserved this decision, but after scoring I don't see an argument.

[elmersalsa]

Kuniaki Shibata vs Ben Villaflor I

R1.5-5
R2.5-4 KS
R3.5-4 KS
R4.5-4 KS
R5.5-4 KS
R6.5-4 KS
R7.5-5
R8.5-4 KS
R9.5-4 KS
R10.5-4 BV
R11.5-5
R12.5-4 BV
R13.5-4 BV
R14.5-4 BV
R15.5-5

Kuniaki Shibata 71-68

What a treat Kuniaki Shibata is to watch. Always bobbing and weaving and firing off combinations while Villaflor spends the first 9 rds pretty much looking for one big punch. Then in the 10th Villafor switches to Boxing Basics 101 and really starts using his jab and wins the round. Villaflor makes a rally but Shibata counterpunches so effectively in the final minute of the fight that I score 15th round even. At the time I remember some claims that Villaflor deserved this decision, but after scoring I don't see an argument.

I gotta see some more Kuniaki Shibata's fights. He was quite a warrior. One of the most exciting boxers of the 1970s decade.

[Seamus]

Want to see some brilliant boxing from Shibata just watch the 6th round of that fight.

[Counter-puncher]

Thanks for the recommendation Seamus I'll check it out

[scartissue]

I loved Shibata. He didn't have the greatest of jaws, but loved the way he could compensate. He might lose to some big bangers like Villaflor, Dwight Hawkins, Escalera and Clemente Sanchez, yet, beat bangers like Villaflor, Vicente Saldivar and Ricardo Arredondo. He had a lot to his game. But while looking at some of his fights I found this gem from '76. I was really following Alfonso Lopez back in the day and his career took a downward spiral after this fight. His jaw was never right again. But nevertheless here is the first Alfonso Lopez - Guty Espadas fight. 10 point must system and let me tell you, Lopez put on a clinic against a hard banger until getting caught in the 12th.

Round 1: 10-9 Lopez
Round 2: 10-9 Lopez
Round 3: 10-9 Espadas
Round 4: 10-9 Lopez
Round 5: 10-9 Lopez
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Lopez
Round 9: 10-9 Lopez
Round 10: 10-9 Lopez
Round 11: 10-9 Lopez
Round 12: 10-7 Espadas (2 knockdowns)
Round 13: TKO for Espadas with 3 more knockdowns

Through 12 rounds: 116-111 Lopez

It's always difficult seeing a fighter do some great work (Olivares against Arguello and Tate against Weaver) and then getting caught late. But that's boxing.

[Seamus]

Ruben Olivares vs Art Hafey II

Rounds 1 thru 9 Olivares
/rounds 10 thru 12 Hafey plus an additional pt for the knockdown in the 10th

Ruben Olivares 9-4

Olivares boxed superbly for the first 9 rounds relying heavily on the jab, using footwork and throwing lot's of combinations, while Hafey looked tough but limited, not jabbing enough and trying to do too much with the left hook. Finally Hafey got to Olivares in the 10th and had him in some trouble, but the Mexican hung on and avoided being stopped once again with a combination of jabbing and footwork. One judge actually scored it for Hafey.