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Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:03
by gilgamesh
ReggieDiggs wrote:Lmmfao @ a majority decision. F#ck the Nevada boxing commission for letting CJ Ross judge a huge fight.
There's got be a way to contact them and demand she be fired. If they ever use her again for ANY fight, they're a joke.
You could pull a blind man off the street that's never heard of Boxing and he'd do a better job than that bitch.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:04
by ajwesty13
columbo wrote:ajwesty13 wrote:Its all for a betting scam shes not useless she's just Bent... How much money do you think was on a UD...
Im not sure she's bent. I have a feeling she just genuinely doesnt have a bloody clue in regards to what she's watching.
Surely mate no one can be that daft.... maybe shes a secret Mexican. ...
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:08
by marcianofan
Seriously guys, watch the fight without the Showtime commentary before you call for her head on this one. I bet most of you have cards that are compatible with what I saw, but at least half the rounds were entirely open to debate based on subjective judging philosophy. It made it really easy to think the result was self-evident when the broadcasters basically assumed that Floyd won every round, though.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:09
by p4p1
ajwesty13 wrote:Its all for a betting scam shes not useless she's just Bent... How much money do you think was on a UD...
That kind of makes sense
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:09
by ReggieDiggs
Please boxing commissions around the US never let Marcianofan become a boxing judge. Anything between 9-3 Floyd and 10-2 Saul being alright by you is Angel Garcia crazy.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:11
by ajwesty13
marcianofan wrote:Seriously guys, watch the fight without the Showtime commentary before you call for her head on this one. I bet most of you have cards that are compatible with what I saw, but at least half the rounds were entirely open to debate based on subjective judging philosophy. It made it really easy to think the result was self-evident when the broadcasters basically assumed that Floyd won every round, though.
Is this a serious comment?
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:11
by JCS
marcianofan wrote:Seriously guys, watch the fight without the Showtime commentary before you call for her head on this one. I bet most of you have cards that are compatible with what I saw, but at least half the rounds were entirely open to debate based on subjective judging philosophy. It made it really easy to think the result was self-evident when the broadcasters basically assumed that Floyd won every round, though.
Stop trying to convince yourself that Showtime commentating is the reason why your card differs from everyone else's.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:14
by ReggieDiggs
CJ Ross had Germany winning WWII with her nutty f#cking ass.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:15
by lefty
marcianofan wrote:Seriously guys, watch the fight without the Showtime commentary before you call for her head on this one. I bet most of you have cards that are compatible with what I saw, but at least half the rounds were entirely open to debate based on subjective judging philosophy. It made it really easy to think the result was self-evident when the broadcasters basically assumed that Floyd won every round, though.
No offence man but noone's buying what you're trying to sell there.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:15
by marcianofan
ReggieDiggs wrote:Please boxing commissions around the US never let Marcianofan become a boxing judge. Anything between 9-3 Floyd and 10-2 Saul being alright by you is Angel Garcia crazy.
I actually am waiting on my first assignment right now, sorry tell you. The head of the association of boxing commissions himself has liked every card I've ever turned in, and I've always been right in the mainstream of the officials ringside every time I've shadowed. I obsess over boxing judging, and treat it like a science. PLEASE do me a favor and watch this fight over again with an open mind and no Showtime commentary.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:16
by marcianofan
columbo wrote:marcianofan wrote:Seriously guys, watch the fight without the Showtime commentary before you call for her head on this one. I bet most of you have cards that are compatible with what I saw, but at least half the rounds were entirely open to debate based on subjective judging philosophy. It made it really easy to think the result was self-evident when the broadcasters basically assumed that Floyd won every round, though.
No offence man but noone's buying what you're trying to sell there.
I can tell. More's the pity.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:21
by jezzamundo
Anyone seen the compubox numbers?
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:21
by Srebmun
marcianofan wrote:ReggieDiggs wrote:Please boxing commissions around the US never let Marcianofan become a boxing judge. Anything between 9-3 Floyd and 10-2 Saul being alright by you is Angel Garcia crazy.
I actually am waiting on my first assignment right now, sorry tell you. The head of the association of boxing commissions himself has liked every card I've ever turned in, and I've always been right in the mainstream of the officials ringside every time I've shadowed. I obsess over boxing judging, and treat it like a science. PLEASE do me a favor and watch this fight over again with an open mind and no Showtime commentary.
What about those of us who didn't watch with Showtime commentary and are of sound mind and body and still think you nd CJ are imbeciles?
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:22
by gilgamesh
marcianofan wrote:ReggieDiggs wrote:Please boxing commissions around the US never let Marcianofan become a boxing judge. Anything between 9-3 Floyd and 10-2 Saul being alright by you is Angel Garcia crazy.
I actually am waiting on my first assignment right now, sorry tell you. The head of the association of boxing commissions himself has liked every card I've ever turned in, and I've always been right in the mainstream of the officials ringside every time I've shadowed. I obsess over boxing judging, and treat it like a science. PLEASE do me a favor and watch this fight over again with an open mind and no Showtime commentary.
Great
, so we're gonna lose one incompetent judge and gain a new one. Hope it doesn't work out for you. You don't belong scoring fights.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:26
by ReggieDiggs
Please don't become a judge and screw up boxing even more if with a straight face you can say you think Floyd winning just two rounds last night is a reasonable position to hold. If it is you don't know sh!t about boxing as the great Roger Mayweather would say. Fights with several close rounds do happen which can drastically swing the scorecards either way but this wasn't one of them.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:27
by crusader
jezzamundo wrote:Anyone seen the compubox numbers?
Can't remember round by round numbers, but Floyd landed over 100 more punches in all, and connected at over 40 percent overall and over 50 percent on power.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:28
by lefty
God help boxing
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:32
by crusader
Ross gave Canelo 4 of the last 5!!
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:36
by lefty
crusader wrote:
Ross gave Canelo 4 of the last 5!!
How do they get hold of the scorecards like that?!
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:37
by marcianofan
Srebmun wrote:marcianofan wrote:ReggieDiggs wrote:Please boxing commissions around the US never let Marcianofan become a boxing judge. Anything between 9-3 Floyd and 10-2 Saul being alright by you is Angel Garcia crazy.
I actually am waiting on my first assignment right now, sorry tell you. The head of the association of boxing commissions himself has liked every card I've ever turned in, and I've always been right in the mainstream of the officials ringside every time I've shadowed. I obsess over boxing judging, and treat it like a science. PLEASE do me a favor and watch this fight over again with an open mind and no Showtime commentary.
What about those of us who didn't watch with Showtime commentary and are of sound mind and body and still think you nd CJ are imbeciles?
Well I don't like to create controversy where none is necessary, but if you can't see my card as reasonable, then I can't say I appreciate your ability as a judge any more than you probably do mine. And with all due respect and with an exception here or there, I'll put my experience and training against that of anyone here any day.
I will say this: I've been out of the mainstream of opinion to some extent on each of Floyd's last 3 fights...and that's a pretty rare thing for me overall. That likely indicates one of two things, I would think. Either I am inherently incapable of appreciating something about him, or I am stylistically opposed to appreciating something about him that in my view ought not to be appreciated. I'm not certain I can articulate what that x-factor is, since I haven't heard a great deal of discussion as to just what it was that anyone thought he was doing that was winning him so many rounds beyond all reproach. I simply didn't see him landing a significantly higher number of clean effective punches, and if I'm being honest, I don't think I value his simply looking confident as much as I get the sense that some do. I always take a dim view of running (which some people confuse with ring generalship), but I don't really feel like he was doing much of that, if any, and so I doubt that's a factor at all.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:45
by Nemesis
does anyone have punches thrown/landed stats for the Mayweather vs Canelo fight?
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:49
by marcianofan
ReggieDiggs wrote:Please don't become a judge and screw up boxing even more if with a straight face you can say you think Floyd winning just two rounds last night is a reasonable position to hold. If it is you don't know sh!t about boxing as the great Roger Mayweather would say. Fights with several close rounds do happen which can drastically swing the scorecards either way but this wasn't one of them.
Well don't get me wrong. I think if you only gave Floyd 2 rounds it would probably indicate some serious overall bias. Obviously I didn't have the fight particularly close to that result, and so that would mean that if someone had that card, they would be picking against Floyd in every close round. That's all I'm saying...that Floyd didn't win more than a couple rounds beyond the margin of error, if you will. Floyd won 7 and 11 beyond all doubt in my opinion (which makes it all the more interesting that Moretti and Ross both gave Canelo round 11, of all rounds). Rounds 1-5, 8, and 9 were all razor-thin one way or the other. Canelo clearly won 6, 10, and 12. If anything, I think the judging being all over the place even round-by-round should indicate that it was a difficult fight to score for anyone but broadcasters, those with their own biases, and anyone influenced by the above.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 02:51
by crusader
Ringside punch stats showed Mayweather dominance, crediting him with landing 232 of 505 punches to 117 of 526 for Alvarez.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 05:30
by Matchfixer
marcianofan wrote:
Well I don't like to create controversy where none is necessary, but if you can't see my card as reasonable, then I can't say I appreciate your ability as a judge any more than you probably do mine. And with all due respect and with an exception here or there, I'll put my experience and training against that of anyone here any day.
I will say this: I've been out of the mainstream of opinion to some extent on each of Floyd's last 3 fights...and that's a pretty rare thing for me overall. That likely indicates one of two things, I would think. Either I am inherently incapable of appreciating something about him, or I am stylistically opposed to appreciating something about him that in my view ought not to be appreciated. I'm not certain I can articulate what that x-factor is, since I haven't heard a great deal of discussion as to just what it was that anyone thought he was doing that was winning him so many rounds beyond all reproach. I simply didn't see him landing a significantly higher number of clean effective punches, and if I'm being honest, I don't think I value his simply looking confident as much as I get the sense that some do. I always take a dim view of running (which some people confuse with ring generalship), but I don't really feel like he was doing much of that, if any, and so I doubt that's a factor at all.
Marcianofan, I hear exactly what you are saying. It all depends how one scores a fight. We all have different levels of what wins a round. So, say 1 punch is thrown and clearly lands on the chin (not knockdown) by person A, while person B throws 10 to 15 punches without any landing clean (maybe arms or just air), then some might vote A, some B. These are extreme numbers obviously but we all have different cut offs of how much a non clean punch is worth. Some say none (most of the posters here by the look of it),
some might say 20%, 50%, 80% etc
Similarly, I am fully behind your view on commentary. I had some English guy on my stream (I'm from UK) who was salivating over anything Mayweather did. Going back to Bradley v Pacquiao, which a few have mentioned, I watched that with Eastern European commentary (didn't understand a word) and I was surprised how people were calling that a robbery, despite being a huge Pacquiao fan.
Regarding last night's fight Mayweather won for me but I'd never call that a dominant win. The first few rounds were very even and Alvarez came on strong in the last rounds.
Admittedly I'm not FM's biggest fan either. Despite his incredible skills he fights too defensively and without enough volume. I could appreciate him more if he fought like a peak Roy Jones Jr, although I'm not sure he has that within him.
Re: Mayweather vs Alvarez card
Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 05:50
by palooka
ajwesty13 wrote:Its all for a betting scam shes not useless she's just Bent... How much money do you think was on a UD...
Good call