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crusader wrote:The division is shallow, but despite that I don't think AJ has beaten anyone who is top 10, or perhaps even top 15, ability-wise. I do think he's the goods and will prove it eventually, but I don't think all these 'executions' prove much and so I think you miss the point when you ask Horse how many more of them he needs to see for his mind to change.

Quality > quantity

ok fine. You think we have to wait till Joshua butchers the chin-first, upright pulev before we make any predictions about fury. I think that ones a foregone conclusion enough to make prediction based on a style matchup.

Would a win over Malik Scott be enough for it to be reasonable to make a prediction? That guy was stopped by Derek chisora yet finds himself in the top ten. I know you understand what I'm getting at here, unfortunately horse never will.

foxdog1923 wrote:Breazeale was suppose to be the traditional easy first title defence but he also fought Breazeale to help break into the US market. The best US had to offer was Breazeale and Wilder in regards to record.

Breazeale isn't the 2nd best US heavyweight. He possibly shouldn't even be in the top 10.

BoxRec only rates him at No. 8 and he'd be lower if Cunningham hadn't moved down to cruiserweight.

http://boxrec.com/records?reset=1&sex=m ... us=&loc=US

Horse wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:Breazeale was suppose to be the traditional easy first title defence but he also fought Breazeale to help break into the US market. The best US had to offer was Breazeale and Wilder in regards to record.

Breazeale isn't the 2nd best US heavyweight. He possibly shouldn't even be in the top 10.

BoxRec only rates him at No. 8 and he'd be lower if Cunningham hadn't moved down to cruiserweight.

http://boxrec.com/records?reset=1&sex=m ... us=&loc=US

In regards to RECORD is what I wrote in my post. Breazeale was undefeated. Cunningham undefeated?

handsofstone wrote:

lefty wrote:

Sklar wrote:Sadly the focus tomorrow will be on the alleged drug cheats in Team Fury rather than this fight.

What's that about?!

Both Fury's about to be exposed as drug cheats tomorrow apparantly

Cheers fella.

foxdog1923 wrote:In regards to RECORD is what I wrote in my post. Breazeale was undefeated. Cunningham undefeated?

Who cares about being undefeated?

Breazeale's record is not very good.

Horse wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:In regards to RECORD is what I wrote in my post. Breazeale was undefeated. Cunningham undefeated?

Who cares about being undefeated?

Breazeale's record is not very good.

Team Joshua do. They said they wanted someone who is a easy first title defence, good up and comer with a good record. They wanted an opponent like that to help crack the US market.

Horse wrote:

Rexob wrote:Not really surprised to be honest.

I wouldn't be surprised by any sportsperson failing a drugs test.

Pretty much true, 'orse

Horse wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:Breazeale was suppose to be the traditional easy first title defence but he also fought Breazeale to help break into the US market. The best US had to offer was Breazeale and Wilder in regards to record.

Breazeale isn't the 2nd best US heavyweight. He possibly shouldn't even be in the top 10.

BoxRec only rates him at No. 8 and he'd be lower if Cunningham hadn't moved down to cruiserweight.

http://boxrec.com/records?reset=1&sex=m ... us=&loc=US

Tarver, Thompson and perhaps even Scott are pretty much retired aren't they?

Cunningham is indeed very good against Americans, but against Europeans he's pretty much a random guy.