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Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:08
by pimp
Top class corner work from Dominic ingle, he pulled him out early before he got rather cleaned out or seriously hurt, he will be back strong and in good health and not finished like Kahn
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:08
by mike john
Tuan_Jim wrote:mike john wrote:Tuan_Jim wrote:
The middles GGG's been squashing are second raters. Brook is a first rater, but a welter.
i don't see why golovkins punches wouldn't have had the same effect on a middleweight version of kell, its not as if being naturally bigger would help brook do a better job of avoiding them.
confidently stating that the outcome would be different if kell were a middleweight is laughable
If you don't understand how being a naturally smaller man can hinders one's ability to absorb the punches of a larger man then you are a lost cause.
then maybe you could help me out mate. explain to me how brooks ability to absorb punches would have helped with a busted eye socket? in case you missed the fight, brook was stopped on his feet, in full possession of his faculties, absorbing shots just fine, when the bout was called due to facial damage
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:08
by lefty
keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.
100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.
Lol you can't compare who Hagler fought to who Golovkin has to choose from at middleweight though.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:08
by samwbr
TheDarkDestroyer wrote:Wouldn't mind seeing Kell fight Canelo.
Defo. Be a great fight.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:09
by gilgamesh
lefty wrote:gilgamesh wrote:lefty wrote:
Just like he wouldn't go to 168 to fight Ward when he was competing at the weight but he would go to 168 to fight anyone else at that weight class.
So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.
Because the current middleweight division is full of B and C class fighters. It's a weak division currently.
No argument there, but if GGG wants to stay at Middleweight and keep on fighting at his best weight class I'm cool with that. There's not really any big money matchups waiting for him at Super Middleweight, and with the added weight he wouldn't be quite as effective as he is at 160 so what's his motivation for going up in weight?
I think he may well do it at some point, but if he does or doesn't I really don't care. Hopefully Canelo gets his balls up and fights GGG by next May.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:09
by keithmoonhangover
Tuan_Jim wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Tuan_Jim wrote:
If you don't understand how being a naturally smaller man can hinders one's ability to absorb the punches of a larger man then you are a lost cause.
So Brook has a suspected fractured eye socket because he's normally a welterweight? What the fvck are you on?
Not what you seem to be discussing. Run along Keith, I'm not interested in anything you have to say.
You don't like being wrong do you? You're a control freak who likes to feel superior. Well I've got news for you.... your not. None of us are.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:09
by BitPlayer
Credit to Brook's corner, putting their man ahead of what all the morons and keyboards boxers will complain about.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:10
by keithmoonhangover
lefty wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.
100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.
Lol you can't compare who Hagler fought to who Golovkin has to choose from at middleweight though.
I'm not comparing the opponents mate, just stating that Hagler stayed at 160. In fairness to GGG, he can only beat who's out there and most of them don't want him.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:11
by gilgamesh
Horse wrote:gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.
I can't stand it.
Golovkin should only move up if he completely cleans house at middleweight. Which he's nowhere near done so far.
He's beaten every Middleweight with the balls to step into the ring with him. Most of the other guys in the division are scared.
Saunders, Jacobs and Canelo are really the only guys at Middleweight left for him...Eubank Jr. too would spark people's interest, but there's really not many other noteworthy Middleweights out there for him to fight.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:11
by rossij8
Money talks
GGG would probably have best pay cheque tonight to date
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:12
by lefty
However on second thoughts I am a bit salty because I lost money. I'll confess to that.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:13
by crusader
Deserter wrote:As soon as you park the subjective desire to frame the Brit fighter in the best light possible it becomes a fairly routine GGG defence - by the end of the fight he looked like he'd been in a sparring session and in his own mild-mannered fashion he explained Brook clearly wasn't a Middleweight i.e. he felt in complete control and able to walk him down. I think he tried to walk through him at first and underestimated Kell's skill and willingness to trade, but while I thought Brook showed great heart and some slick moves, did anyone honestly feel that at any point it was anything more than just a matter of time? As others have said, as soon as GGG settled down into a constant stalk you felt a sense of inevitability about it.
Ya....basically it took him 5 rounds to badly damage Brook's eye and wear him down to a point where Brook was just on the ropes getting battered, without throwing anything back.
Willie Monroe had his moments with GGG too and arguably took some rounds as well, and I thought Martin Murray arguably won the first two. GGG didn't look good, but I hardly think he was exposed or anything along those lines.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:13
by Horse
BitPlayer wrote:Credit to Brook's corner, putting their man ahead of what all the morons and keyboards boxers will complain about.
It was a cynical ending to a cynical fight.
They made a lot of money without doing much damage to his reputation or health, but don't expect people to laud them for it.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:13
by SamWise72
keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.
100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.
It's actually a knock on Hagler now, often, and when he was active there really wasn't a 168 to go to. 175 is a lot further, and yet he gets stick for the fact that his best victories post title win are against light middles, welters and a squeaker over a lightweight. If Golovkin never moves up, it will look like a lack of confidence.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:15
by lefty
keithmoonhangover wrote:lefty wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.
Lol you can't compare who Hagler fought to who Golovkin has to choose from at middleweight though.
I'm not comparing the opponents mate, just stating that Hagler stayed at 160. In fairness to GGG, he can only beat who's out there and most of them don't want him.
True. I think Jacobs has said he'd like to fight GGG in his next fight. If that happens or not I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:16
by magwitch
How long do eye sockets take to get better then? 3-4 months?
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:16
by Horse
gilgamesh wrote:He's beaten every Middleweight with the balls to step into the ring with him. Most of the other guys in the division are scared.
Saunders, Jacobs and Canelo are really the only guys at Middleweight left for him...Eubank Jr. too would spark people's interest, but there's really not many other noteworthy Middleweights out there for him to fight.
It's always difficult to make big fights at world level.
I don't think that Golovkin is that much more avoided than most other world class fighters.
They all try to avoid each other unless they run out of easier options.
I don't think that Golovkin tries that hard to get the best opposition himself.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:17
by Kilburn
Horse wrote:BitPlayer wrote:Credit to Brook's corner, putting their man ahead of what all the morons and keyboards boxers will complain about.
It was a cynical ending to a cynical fight.
They made a lot of money without doing much damage to his reputation or health, but don't expect people to laud them for it.
That was my main concern all along. The towel was coming in with or without the eye injury.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:18
by gilgamesh
SamWise72 wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:gilgamesh wrote:So? It wasn't ever a fight I had much interest in anyway. I'm perfectly content with GGG fighting as a Middleweight for his entire career. So many guys have done the weight class jumping thing that fans have come to think it's something you have to do. It's not.
100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.
It's actually a knock on Hagler now, often, and when he was active there really wasn't a 168 to go to. 175 is a lot further, and yet he gets stick for the fact that his best victories post title win are against light middles, welters and a squeaker over a lightweight. If Golovkin never moves up, it will look like a lack of confidence.
Only among morons.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:18
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:gilgamesh wrote:He's beaten every Middleweight with the balls to step into the ring with him. Most of the other guys in the division are scared.
Saunders, Jacobs and Canelo are really the only guys at Middleweight left for him...Eubank Jr. too would spark people's interest, but there's really not many other noteworthy Middleweights out there for him to fight.
It's always difficult to make big fights at world level.
I don't think that Golovkin is that much more avoided than most other world class fighters.
They all try to avoid each other unless they run out of easier options.
I don't think that Golovkin tries that hard to get the best opposition himself.
Do you think Canelo avoided him?
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:18
by Horse
Kilburn wrote:That was my main concern all along. The towel was coming in with or without the eye injury.
They've got to be very happy with that eye injury.
It makes the loss and stoppage seem a lot better than they would have.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:19
by Horse
keithmoonhangover wrote:Do you think Canelo avoided him?
Yes.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:19
by SamWise72
gilgamesh wrote:SamWise72 wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:
100% agree. It never did Hagler any harm.
It's actually a knock on Hagler now, often, and when he was active there really wasn't a 168 to go to. 175 is a lot further, and yet he gets stick for the fact that his best victories post title win are against light middles, welters and a squeaker over a lightweight. If Golovkin never moves up, it will look like a lack of confidence.
Only among morons.
Among people who like to see a fighter really test himself.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:20
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Do you think Canelo avoided him?
Yes.
Then what you said was complete horsesh1t.
Re: Brook vs GGG card round by round
Posted: 10 Sep 2016, 19:21
by gilgamesh
SamWise72 wrote:gilgamesh wrote:SamWise72 wrote:
It's actually a knock on Hagler now, often, and when he was active there really wasn't a 168 to go to. 175 is a lot further, and yet he gets stick for the fact that his best victories post title win are against light middles, welters and a squeaker over a lightweight. If Golovkin never moves up, it will look like a lack of confidence.
Only among morons.
Among people who like to see a fighter really test himself.
You're testing yourself by competing in the sport at all. If GGG feels he's at his best fighting weight at 160 there's no need for him to gain weight and not be at his best just to make a few people happy that'll find something new to criticize him for as soon as he does it.