for which their percentage should have been sufficient reward, without the laundry list of self-indulgent nest-lining that clearly went on.
fiddles like that aren't a well-earned reward for a good job, they're fiddles.
How much you reckon Frampton was getting paid before he left the Mcguigans?
entirely irrelevant.
as Frampton's promoter and manager he was entitled to whatever % of Frampton's purses he negotiated.
he was not entitled- under any circumstances- to treat Frampton as the McGuigan family tit, which is basically to an extent what he did (as well as his %)
but thanks for confirming your non-sequitur equivocations don't just come out over politics
You sound angry, and a little strange.
I am just giving my opinion - I don't have a desire to have an angry exchange with strange people I don't know on the Internet.
How much you reckon Frampton was getting paid before he left the Mcguigans?
entirely irrelevant.
as Frampton's promoter and manager he was entitled to whatever % of Frampton's purses he negotiated.
he was not entitled- under any circumstances- to treat Frampton as the McGuigan family tit, which is basically to an extent what he did (as well as his %)
but thanks for confirming your non-sequitur equivocations don't just come out over politics
You sound angry, and a little strange.
I am just giving my opinion - I don't have a desire to have an angry exchange with strange people I don't know on the Internet.
How much you reckon Frampton was getting paid before he left the Mcguigans?
of course I forgot that in your world 'giving your opinion' means asking a question which is broadly insinuating but only meaningfully so in your own mind. good work, do keep it up
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 02 Oct 2023, 10:07
by Fray Bentos
bripez wrote: ↑02 Oct 2023, 09:16
You sound angry, and a little strange.
Pot. Kettle. Black
I don't have a desire to have an angry exchange with strange people I don't know on the Internet.
They where robbing him under the pretence of expenses - Pretty low way to treat your fighter. Unless you want to give it a pass because Shane is supposedly a good trainer.
That's terrible if it's true, like Witherspoon walking away with about 70k from I think it was a million pound purse agaisnt Bruno if I remember rightly
That's terrible if it's true, like Witherspoon walking away with about 70k from I think it was a million pound purse agaisnt Bruno if I remember rightly
Could you copy and paste the key bits in the article please? It’s saying I have to pay to read.
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 02 Oct 2023, 11:48
by Counter-puncher
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑02 Oct 2023, 10:52
They where robbing him under the pretence of expenses - Pretty low way to treat your fighter. Unless you want to give it a pass because Shane is supposedly a good trainer.
exactly, only a contrary twat would act like its ok because 'uh did a great job managing him'
That's terrible if it's true, like Witherspoon walking away with about 70k from I think it was a million pound purse agaisnt Bruno if I remember rightly
Could you copy and paste the key bits in the article please? It’s saying I have to pay to read.
Same for me mate, can only.see the bit about getting 7%.
That's terrible if it's true, like Witherspoon walking away with about 70k from I think it was a million pound purse agaisnt Bruno if I remember rightly
Could you copy and paste the key bits in the article please? It’s saying I have to pay to read.
Same for me mate, can only.see the bit about getting 7%.
Got it
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 02 Oct 2023, 16:38
by CaptainSpacerod
It’s bad enough when fighters are taken advantage of by your typical shady, would sell his granny for a fiver type promoter but when it’s done by a guy like Barry who is as aware as anyone of the sacrifices fighters make then it’s particularly egregious.
it's behind a paywall mate can you summarise please (if you can be bothered - no problem if not)
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 01:21
by coneye
70,000 out of a million , Jeez not suprised there was a fall out , even more suprised Barry and Shane have got ANYONE to sign with them . I know if i was with them i would be double checking EVERY single invoice , and expense .
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 02:55
by maverick23
coneye wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 01:21
70,000 out of a million , Jeez not suprised there was a fall out , even more suprised Barry and Shane have got ANYONE to sign with them . I know if i was with them i would be double checking EVERY single invoice , and expense .
I get the impression Shane wasn’t particularly involved with the scamming of Frampton. It seems to be his dad and brothers.
Unfortunately sometimes it’s hard for people to see the bad in others - particularly family.
We saw the same with the Hattons as Ray was clearly ripping off Ricky yet Carol couldn’t see through the bullshit.
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 06:41
by Coco
Shane has a gym in London and living there too, that's a lot of money, he has clearly benefitted from the financial arrangements.
There is no weekly wage in boxing
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 07:53
by maverick23
Coco wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 06:41
Shane has a gym in London and living there too, that's a lot of money, he has clearly benefitted from the financial arrangements.
There is no weekly wage in boxing
He should have got his agreed % as a trainer and no more.
Shane has been involved with lots of top boxers who would have earned big money so I wouldn’t begrudge him living in London.
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 08:08
by samwbr
Shane's gym is in Canterbury now isn't it?
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 08:17
by Coco
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 08:08
Shane's gym is in Canterbury now isn't it?
Dunno, but if so it's all expensive in that neck of the woods.
Tesco Joe is still borrowing backrooms to train in.
Not many trainers make any money.
For me Tesco has had more championship fighters than McGuigan, but then he never had a deal like the McGuigans had with Frampton
samwbr wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 08:08
Shane's gym is in Canterbury now isn't it?
Dunno, but if so it's all expensive in that neck of the woods.
Tesco Joe is still borrowing backrooms to train in.
Not many trainers make any money.
For me Tesco has had more championship fighters than McGuigan, but then he never had a deal like the McGuigans had with Frampton
Joe’s had plenty of fighters in big fights so he should have made a good living and be set for life.
He’s also trained, managed and promoted fighters but I doubt he ripped them off unlike Barry McGuigan and his family.
I think it shows to me partly why they have the Muhammed Ali act in the US whereby fighters can’t be managed and promoted by the same person. A manager should be earning his money through getting the best deals possible and maximising the income of his fighter. It’s impossible to do that impartially when you’re also the promoter and, in Frampton’s, the same family as the trainer.
We’ve seen it can be difficult in the past when FWarren folded his company to avoid paying Ricky Burns who he co-managed and promoted. It’s a real conflict of interest.
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 08:41
by Nightmare Roy
coneye wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 01:21
70,000 out of a million , Jeez not suprised there was a fall out , even more suprised Barry and Shane have got ANYONE to sign with them . I know if i was with them i would be double checking EVERY single invoice , and expense .
No that was Tim Witherspoon with Don King cant remember the exact figures but I'm pretty sure he won the court case and got money back
coneye wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 01:21
70,000 out of a million , Jeez not suprised there was a fall out , even more suprised Barry and Shane have got ANYONE to sign with them . I know if i was with them i would be double checking EVERY single invoice , and expense .
No that was Tim Witherspoon with Don King cant remember the exact figures but I'm pretty sure he won the court case and got money back
Wasn’t it a million dollars but only after he’d lost motivation and been stopped in a round by Bonecrusher Smith? Not sure the motivation ever really returned.
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 12:21
by margaret thatcher
big f@ckin deal if frampton checked billam smith's wraps, the idea that it was some grand despicable act is
Re: Cyclone / Frampton Court Case
Posted: 03 Oct 2023, 14:42
by The Gratest
A sunbed tanning session...women's lingerie...high heeled shoes...anyone got any pics of what this Mcguigan son looks like? (Asking for a friend...Homihenry)
(Asking for a friend...Homihenry)