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Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:42
by Grilling Machine
It felt like Pov would've had a good chance again without Covid. His chin held surprisingly well, but his legs clearly haven't recovered. Should that change over the coming months he could call for a rematch, but he's given plenty to the sport and Whyte's a decent opponent for others now.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:43
by Jimmy2020
brilo33 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:40
so the winner of fury v aj gets a shot at whyte then wow dont get any bigger for fury or aj
indeed. Paper thin division, yet Fury v AJ is being sold as the biggest heavyweight match of all time. Two fairly good heavyweights in an absolutely dire era.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:45
by Grilling Machine
Is there much of a consensus on AJ, Fury, Joyce, Usyk and Whyte as the current top five?
Be interesting to see how Ruiz and Parker look in May.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:47
by Jimmy2020
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:45
Is there much of a consensus on AJ, Fury, Joyce, Usyk and Whyte as the current top five?
Crappest era ever. The NFL, NBA and Rugby Premiership have all the best heavyweights.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:49
by Coco
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:45
Is there much of a consensus on AJ, Fury, Joyce, Usyk and Whyte as the current top five?
Be interesting to see how Ruiz and Parker look in May.
More or less, maybe Wilder is still there, there is a few more on there way up but def aren't top 5 yet.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:50
by ThereByTheGrace
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:47
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:45
Is there much of a consensus on AJ, Fury, Joyce, Usyk and Whyte as the current top five?
Crappest era ever. The NFL, NBA and Rugby Premiership have all the best heavyweights.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:50
by coneye
Really when you step back and take a good look ,, It shows hao bad the heavyweight division is ,, Pov well like everyone is saying is well past it , but Whyte , really supposed to be a top 5 world class boxer ,, he can't throw a punch without throwing himself off balance the amount of times he threw his right foot up with his right hand and for that split second was off balance was nothing short of disgraceful , that his trainers hav'nt picked it up ,, , all this fight showed , was that Whyte really is'nt very good , his opponents are just worst .
Personaly i think Wilder stops him , and i thik if Ruiz gets the blub off he outboxes just about all off them ,, Ruiz biggest enemy has been himself , but he boxes rings around Whyte or Wilder if he's in shape ,, just a shame they earn that much money even though there out of shape , that they can afford to come in either out of shape , or just not even bothering to learn any skills
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:51
by brilo33
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:45
Is there much of a consensus on AJ, Fury, Joyce, Usyk and Whyte as the current top five?
Be interesting to see how Ruiz and Parker look in May.
fury aj wilder ruiz , joyce usyk aint proven nothing yet whyte parker rivas who ever
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:57
by Jimmy2020
coneye wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:50
Really when you step back and take a good look ,, It shows hao bad the heavyweight division is ,, Pov well like everyone is saying is well past it , but Whyte , really supposed to be a top 5 world class boxer ,, he can't throw a punch without throwing himself off balance the amount of times he threw his right foot up with his right hand and for that split second was off balance was nothing short of disgraceful , that his trainers hav'nt picked it up ,, , all this fight showed , was that Whyte really is'nt very good , his opponents are just worst .
Personaly i think Wilder stops him , and i thik if Ruiz gets the blub off he outboxes just about all off them ,, Ruiz biggest enemy has been himself , but he boxes rings around Whyte or Wilder if he's in shape ,, just a shame they earn that much money even though there out of shape , that they can afford to come in either out of shape , or just not even bothering to learn any skills
Exactly. The talent pool at heavyweight is gash.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 19:57
by margaret thatcher
gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:15
Honestly a bit sad pov even ended up in there. Easy with hindsight but he had no legs from the first bell, should of retired on top.
One note, thought there should of been a count befor that knockout, ropes surely held him up first punch of that flurry..
its not just hindsite though, even just walking in he was unsteady and ppl picked up on it , he should retire asap
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:01
by brilo33
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:57
gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:15
Honestly a bit sad pov even ended up in there. Easy with hindsight but he had no legs from the first bell, should of retired on top.
One note, thought there should of been a count befor that knockout, ropes surely held him up first punch of that flurry..
its not just hindsite though, even just walking in he was unsteady and ppl picked up on it , he should retire asap
he cant though canny he, were talking about millions of pounds contracts ,that need to be met
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:02
by bigjack
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:57
gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:15
Honestly a bit sad pov even ended up in there. Easy with hindsight but he had no legs from the first bell, should of retired on top.
One note, thought there should of been a count befor that knockout, ropes surely held him up first punch of that flurry..
its not just hindsite though, even just walking in he was unsteady and ppl picked up on it , he should retire asap
I said exactly that to my lad,Whyte was obviously up for it and Pevetkin was clearly still unwell, and was breathing very hard after 2 rounds,worrying how a tough athlete like that has been ravaged by covid.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:05
by skanksta
coneye wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:50
Really when you step back and take a good look ,, It shows hao bad the heavyweight division is ,, Pov well like everyone is saying is well past it , but Whyte , really supposed to be a top 5 world class boxer ,, he can't throw a punch without throwing himself off balance the amount of times he threw his right foot up with his right hand and for that split second was off balance was nothing short of disgraceful , that his trainers hav'nt picked it up ,, , all this fight showed , was that Whyte really is'nt very good , his opponents are just worst .
Personaly i think Wilder stops him , and i thik if Ruiz gets the blub off he outboxes just about all off them ,, Ruiz biggest enemy has been himself , but he boxes rings around Whyte or Wilder if he's in shape ,, just a shame they earn that much money even though there out of shape , that they can afford to come in either out of shape , or just not even bothering to learn any skills
Whyte specifically mentioned he’d been working hard on not lifting his foot up when he punched !
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:07
by Grilling Machine
brilo33 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:51joyce usyk aint proven nothing yet
There's almost always a provisional rating or two, where I think Usyk in particular might lose to some of those rated below him, but since he hasn't yet and those guys have either lost fights or they're yet to beat bigger names...
So Wilder and Ruiz are demoted pending worthwhile comeback wins, while Joyce and Usyk await losses, and there'll be another revision should they lose to lower-rated opponents. I wouldn't expect the same five names at the top this time next year, but those events haven't unfolded yet, and that's a lot of the excitement of boxing!
When they actually meet, that is.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:09
by margaret thatcher
one of these older fighters should come to the ring with a walker and then beat up their opponent tbh, would go mega virals bruhs
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:11
by skanksta
gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:15
Honestly a bit sad pov even ended up in there. Easy with hindsight but he had no legs from the first bell, should of retired on top.
One note, thought there should of been a count befor that knockout, ropes surely held him up first punch of that flurry..
It’s not hindsight - most on here we’re saying he’d get splattered.
Pov turned 41 and was twice hospitalised with COVID. He wasn’t right in the ring walk even.
It’s to his credit that he was able to stay dangerous for 4 rounds.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:12
by skanksta
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 20:09
one of these older fighters should come to the ring with a walker and then beat up their opponent tbh, would go mega virals bruhs
The Executioner/Bhop/X/The Alien bought a walking stick to a presser once didn’t he ?
Was that against Pavlik ? Pascal ?
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:14
by bigjack
skanksta wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 20:11
gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:15
Honestly a bit sad pov even ended up in there. Easy with hindsight but he had no legs from the first bell, should of retired on top.
One note, thought there should of been a count befor that knockout, ropes surely held him up first punch of that flurry..
It’s not hindsight - most on here we’re saying he’d get splattered.
Pov turned 41 and was twice hospitalised with COVID. He wasn’t right in the ring walk even.
It’s to his credit that he was able to stay dangerous for 4 rounds.
he actually stood up to some big shots from the start,but yeh,the ring walk showed what was about to happen
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:16
by brilo33
skanksta wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 20:11
gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:15
Honestly a bit sad pov even ended up in there. Easy with hindsight but he had no legs from the first bell, should of retired on top.
One note, thought there should of been a count befor that knockout, ropes surely held him up first punch of that flurry..
It’s not hindsight - most on here we’re saying he’d get splattered.
Pov turned 41 and was twice hospitalised with COVID. He wasn’t right in the ring walk even.
It’s to his credit that he was able to stay dangerous for 4 rounds.
well if he has covid he is still dangerous now
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:25
by skanksta
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:57
coneye wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:50
Really when you step back and take a good look ,, It shows hao bad the heavyweight division is ,, Pov well like everyone is saying is well past it , but Whyte , really supposed to be a top 5 world class boxer ,, he can't throw a punch without throwing himself off balance the amount of times he threw his right foot up with his right hand and for that split second was off balance was nothing short of disgraceful , that his trainers hav'nt picked it up ,, , all this fight showed , was that Whyte really is'nt very good , his opponents are just worst .
Personaly i think Wilder stops him , and i thik if Ruiz gets the blub off he outboxes just about all off them ,, Ruiz biggest enemy has been himself , but he boxes rings around Whyte or Wilder if he's in shape ,, just a shame they earn that much money even though there out of shape , that they can afford to come in either out of shape , or just not even bothering to learn any skills
Exactly. The talent pool at heavyweight is gash.
I think that’s harsh - on Fury in particular.
He’s improving all the time. A 6’8 19-stone switch-hitting southpaw gives anyone in history problems at the very least. Lennox is the only one I pick to handle him easily.
AJ is a fun challenger with a puncher’s chance against the best too.
I know the modern era has nowhere near the skillz of the 70s or 90s but they’re so much bigger !
Can you really pick Smokin’ Joe or The Real Deal against (soon to be in his) prime Fury ?!
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:27
by brilo33
skanksta wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 20:25
Jimmy2020 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:57
coneye wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:50
Really when you step back and take a good look ,, It shows hao bad the heavyweight division is ,, Pov well like everyone is saying is well past it , but Whyte , really supposed to be a top 5 world class boxer ,, he can't throw a punch without throwing himself off balance the amount of times he threw his right foot up with his right hand and for that split second was off balance was nothing short of disgraceful , that his trainers hav'nt picked it up ,, , all this fight showed , was that Whyte really is'nt very good , his opponents are just worst .
Personaly i think Wilder stops him , and i thik if Ruiz gets the blub off he outboxes just about all off them ,, Ruiz biggest enemy has been himself , but he boxes rings around Whyte or Wilder if he's in shape ,, just a shame they earn that much money even though there out of shape , that they can afford to come in either out of shape , or just not even bothering to learn any skills
Exactly. The talent pool at heavyweight is gash.
I think that’s harsh - on Fury in particular.
He’s coming in to his peak now and improving all the time. A 6’8 19-stone switch-hitting southpaw gives anyone in history problems at the very least. Peak Lennox is the only one I pick to handle him easily.
AJ is a fun challenger with a puncher’s chance against the best too.
I know the modern era had nowhere near the skills of the 70s or 90s but they’re so much bigger !
Can you really pick Smokin’ Joe or The Real Deal against (soon to be) peak Fury ?!
fury is class about the only top fighter about for me
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:31
by Grilling Machine
skanksta wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 20:25Can you really pick Smokin’ Joe or The Real Deal against (soon to be in his) prime Fury ?!
To win's a hard argument, but I'd pick both to give him a few scares. Prime Holyfield for sure wasn't touching the canvas or going backwards in that fight.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:37
by chris123
He probably doesn’t deserve a ranking over those other guys given his last few years, but I think I’d still pick Luis Ortiz over anyone in the division not named Fury, Joshua or Wilder.
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:38
by TheLeprechaun
coneye wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 19:50
Really when you step back and take a good look ,, It shows hao bad the heavyweight division is ,, Pov well like everyone is saying is well past it , but Whyte , really supposed to be a top 5 world class boxer ,, he can't throw a punch without throwing himself off balance the amount of times he threw his right foot up with his right hand and for that split second was off balance was nothing short of disgraceful , that his trainers hav'nt picked it up ,, , all this fight showed , was that Whyte really is'nt very good , his opponents are just worst .
Personaly i think Wilder stops him , and i thik if Ruiz gets the blub off he outboxes just about all off them ,, Ruiz biggest enemy has been himself , but he boxes rings around Whyte or Wilder if he's in shape ,, just a shame they earn that much money even though there out of shape , that they can afford to come in either out of shape , or just not even bothering to learn any skills
Re: Round-by-Round: Alexander Povetkin vs. Dillian Whyte II - 27 March 2021
Posted: 27 Mar 2021, 20:49
by margaret thatcher
ruiz is about as good as parker, the aj fight flattered him, for pretty much all his fights he's been a disappointing plodder. it was a bit funny to see how people raved about him after the first fight, was easy to know they'd be disappointed with him in the rematch
he didnt really do anything special in the first aj fight either, josh basically rushed in and got caught by the flurries which ruiz had already used in many fights