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Ricky wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 20:20 Brilliant perform by JJJ. He seems like he would be AJs worst nightmare. It's been a while since I've seen a fighter so effective at making the other guy fight his fight.

The criticism of Joyce over the years is redundant. "He's too slow", well, his hands are but he's actually very light on his feet and closes range brilliantly. A true force at heavyweight.

well to be fair parker landed huge shots on him tho, i dont hughie fury took much damage at all from parker i mean if the boy didnt have a chin he would be sparko, i am just being the other side of the brain which you need, not taking anything away from his win

brilo33 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 20:56

Ricky wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 20:20 Brilliant perform by JJJ. He seems like he would be AJs worst nightmare. It's been a while since I've seen a fighter so effective at making the other guy fight his fight.

The criticism of Joyce over the years is redundant. "He's too slow", well, his hands are but he's actually very light on his feet and closes range brilliantly. A true force at heavyweight.

well to be fair parker landed huge shots on him tho, i dont hughie fury took much damage at all from parker i mean if the boy didnt have a chin he would be sparko, i am just being the other side of the brain which you need, not taking anything away from his win

No wonder they call him a juggernaut, Parker's best shots didn't even make him flinch. It was like watching a guy absorb shots from someone 3 weight classes below, not someone who is 250 odd pounds.

brilo33 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 20:56

Ricky wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 20:20 Brilliant perform by JJJ. He seems like he would be AJs worst nightmare. It's been a while since I've seen a fighter so effective at making the other guy fight his fight.

The criticism of Joyce over the years is redundant. "He's too slow", well, his hands are but he's actually very light on his feet and closes range brilliantly. A true force at heavyweight.

well to be fair parker landed huge shots on him tho, i dont hughie fury took much damage at all from parker i mean if the boy didnt have a chin he would be sparko, i am just being the other side of the brain which you need, not taking anything away from his win

His chin definitely kept him in the fight.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:50

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:48

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:43

so you had parker ahead ta the time of the stoppage looking at your commentary on this thread?

Yea, i actualy did i think. If you asked me to score the first 10 "over all" id have joyce up comfortably. but round by round i had parker edging a fair few early. Looked sloppy getting pushed back, but i actualy liked the punches he was landing better. Obviosly in winning lots of those early rounds he was getting grinded down stamina wise.

I think there were times where joyce was blindly flurrying that he wasnt doing much. where as parker was jabbing and stumbling back but picking his shots well..

anything parker did, joyce had twice the effect. parker was distressed and getting manhandled from the 2nd or 3rd on. cant see anything other than jj being several up

maybe if parker was ahead, he can blame the injured eye like dub's ppl do

Rewatched the highlights in high definition rather than my low res stream and slowed some things down and a lot of the shots I thought were crisp from Parker weren’t. Didn’t get the knuckles over on a few over hands. so were a bit weak and slappy And also Joyce was managing to get his right hand just to the left of his chin to take the sting out of some of Parker’s home run rights.

Happy to admit with that I’ve defiantly got a couple of rounds wrong. What I have also done is underestimated Joyce’s defence, he was subtly taking the sting out of a lot of shots.

What a machine Joe Joyce is. Fighting not only Parker but also treacle, he just punches through the target. What a tough tough guy he is. Great win.

Fwank doesn't want to bring Joyce out until February or March
What is he waiting for?
The guy is 37.
His title shot is at least 12-16 months away. Heck, Dillian Whyte waited 3+ years.
If Joyce can earn on the big stage, and after tonight he is gaining a lot more supporters, then why keep him on ice?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 00:28 Fwank doesn't want to bring Joyce out until February or March
What is he waiting for?
The guy is 37.
His title shot is at least 12-16 months away. Heck, Dillian Whyte waited 3+ years.
If Joyce can earn on the big stage, and after tonight he is gaining a lot more supporters, then why keep him on ice?

Its the modern way kiwi , forge a career out of fighting once or if your lucky twice a year .

They probably mindful of Slow-Joe's age. Whilst his style doesn't appear to be something age will affect too much ... those hands aren't likely to get any slower, but that chin may start showing the wear it's absorbing.

Great showing from Joe. It's just a shame he is unlikely to get a shot at the title for at least 2 years. Fury and Usyk are tying the belts up for that long at least.

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 20:40

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:49

handsofstone wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:45 Joyce's heart deserves zero credit btw, I don't think he feels pain, didn't notice the fatigue some mentioned either, the guys a phenomenon a genuine one off

i didnt notice the fatigue either, he never stopped

It might seem churlish to mention this after the best win of Joyce’s career but Is nobody else very curious as to how a 37 year old 19 stone heavyweight can relentlessly come forward all night with a huge punch output, absorb some heavy shots and still seem relatively fresh at the end ?

I think that he’s always had the same style & isn’t explosive explains it.

Most fighters gas when they empty the tank trying to finish someone. Joyce never really does that & he constantly mixes arm punches with more substantial ones so a lot of the shots he’s throwing aren’t draining (similar to Usyk).

That’s not to say he isn’t suspicious, I wouldn’t back anyone as clean with any confidence but there’s no sudden up turn in performance or change in appearance like how Povetkin suddenly got fitter & harder hitting or how Fury lost all the weight before they had positive tests. Joyce has always had the same style & similar performance level.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:36

Billy Tully wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:34 Anyway, thank god we got rid of Parker. 24 rounds with Chisora. Sick of seeing his name mentioned in big fights. Long time since he was impressive.

Joyce vs Joshua is the fight now if AJ vs Fury doesn't happen.

what makes you think parker has been gotten rid of? chis has like 12 losses and they keep bringing him back, dont be surprised to see parker right back in these fights if he doesnt retire

As long as it's over in New Zealand they can recycle him as many times as they like

Delta Jay wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:39

Billy Tully wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:34 Anyway, thank god we got rid of Parker. 24 rounds with Chisora. Sick of seeing his name mentioned in big fights. Long time since he was impressive.

Joyce vs Joshua is the fight now if AJ vs Fury doesn't happen.

Sorry bud but totally disagree. Parker been insome great fights and always comes to win and a lovely fella by all accounts out the ring. Happy to see him retire now, doubt it happens like.

I'm sure he's a lovely chap but he's unremarkable as a boxer and all his fights have been going 12 rounds since he stepped up 10 years ago.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:42

Billy Tully wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:34 Anyway, thank god we got rid of Parker. 24 rounds with Chisora. Sick of seeing his name mentioned in big fights. Long time since he was impressive.

That’s how I see it. Nice guy and decent heavy, but a long way away from the top level really. Life and death with Chisora twice, lost to Whyte and just tried to defend against Joshua.

Still can’t say I’m really sold on Joyce either tbh, but definitely has certain attributes to make things extremely uncomfortable for the top guys.

Yep, couldn't have said it better, these are basically my thoughts. Interested to see what they do with Joyce. But if his ring appearances continue to be this sporadic he's going to run out of time.

Billy Tully wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 03:08

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:42

Billy Tully wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 18:34 Anyway, thank god we got rid of Parker. 24 rounds with Chisora. Sick of seeing his name mentioned in big fights. Long time since he was impressive.

That’s how I see it. Nice guy and decent heavy, but a long way away from the top level really. Life and death with Chisora twice, lost to Whyte and just tried to defend against Joshua.

Still can’t say I’m really sold on Joyce either tbh, but definitely has certain attributes to make things extremely uncomfortable for the top guys.

Yep, couldn't have said it better, these are basically my thoughts. Interested to see what they do with Joyce. But if his ring appearances continue to be this sporadic he's going to run out of time.

Yes, Parker has been impressive only in beating cans, while he was being tracked to the championship bouts.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 19:27

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑24 Sep 2022, 19:19 Joyce gets hit an awful lot. He might end up with brain damage against wilder, even of he wins.

Even if you're chin is rock solid, it's not good for your brain.

Might sound odd, but I honestly don’t think Wilder is an overall big puncher. He’s got a huge right hand but he usually has to wind it up, I reckon Joyce would be able to avoid it if he tried. He barely lands a decent shot, other than that.

I’d worry a lot more for Joyce’s brain in a 12 rounder against Usyk.

I've actually long said this. Wilder only generates so much power because he throws his entire bodyweight into it like a fast bowler, which is why he's off balance so often.

Never been a fan of Joyce until now. The man is like the real life terminator. The only heavies out there for me who beat him are Fury and Usyk, anyone else he beats.
I’d like to see him in against wilder just to see if his punches have any affect on Joyce’s chin

smiling assassin wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 04:48 Never been a fan of Joyce until now. The man is like the real life terminator. The only heavies out there for me who beat him are Fury and Usyk, anyone else he beats.
I’d like to see him in against wilder just to see if his punches have any affect on Joyce’s chin

It has been clear to me since the Dubois bout. Dubois wasn't anything special in terms of boxing, but he's a scary puncher. Joyce is limited, but he can take everything and his workrate with stamina are great.

tonyevs wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 02:12 They probably mindful of Slow-Joe's age. Whilst his style doesn't appear to be something age will affect too much ... those hands aren't likely to get any slower, but that chin may start showing the wear it's absorbing.

Great showing from Joe. It's just a shame he is unlikely to get a shot at the title for at least 2 years. Fury and Usyk are tying the belts up for that long at least.

That's what I'm getting at, he can earn a few million a fight right now. No sense in waiting for one shot that could be up to 16+ months away.

If Fury vs Joshua happens, then Joyce will be probably considered by Warren to face Fury in the early 2023. In any case, Joyce should be mixed with the very top.

Surprised Fwank doesn’t wanna milk a ‘world’ title defence.

Why wait til March.

Man, looking at some highlights, Joyce just shows no expression on his face. He got hit with some big shots and his face was the same and he just kept moving forward.

This is what you call a fückin Scrap!!

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When you're 37 you have to work whilst you can, age can catch up suddenly and Joyce hasn't exactly been active over the past few years. He needs another fight soon otherwise the momentum stalls and its back to square one.
Joshua in December if the Fury fight falls through would be perfect, a big fight with plenty of publicity and a step up too

tony1234 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 06:29 When you're 37 you have to work whilst you can, age can catch up suddenly and Joyce hasn't exactly been active over the past few years. He needs another fight soon otherwise the momentum stalls and its back to square one.
Joshua in December if the Fury fight falls through would be perfect, a big fight with plenty of publicity and a step up too

Yeh. The DDD win was good, but they didn’t manage him well after that.. he was stuck for a bit.

It’s crap being in a mandatory position and then just having to sit and wait because you don’t want to lose that spot.

Now he has this big win.

He needs to keep it going.

No he doesn’t need to fight a top10 guy next. But there are still good names.

Maybe someone southpaw and slick that can help prepare for Usyk.

Joyce like Josh Taylor showing if you have the amateur pedigree you don't have to fanny about with career journeymen


Frazer Clarke take note

You wouldn't catch Joe Joyce gassing against Ali in Zaire after 8 rounds.......

handsofstone wrote: ↑25 Sep 2022, 07:10 Joyce like Josh Taylor showing if you have the amateur pedigree you don't have to fanny about with career journeymen

Frazer Clarke take note

A lot of fans were against Loma having a world title fight in his 2nd bout. I wasn’t..

Why faff around building a 15-0 record against cans.. he went straight in there.

Usyk was similar, fought a few cans in Ukraine, picked up the WBO regional belt and got himself a mandatory in no time. Only he didn’t have a big promotion with a TV network behind him.

Beterbiev is another one. No messing around. Bivol another.

There’s a few in the lower classes, can’t remember his name. The Jap guy, was under Arum. But he lost his belt rather quick and suffered a further loss I think.