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Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 17:39 Usyk selected Wilder to beat Joshua :

“It would’ve been a phenomenal match. Wilder’s unique if he clips, one is unable to fight back. I’m going with Wilder on 60% for the contest. He’s a puncher and Joshua could be set on. Deontay’s able to send someone flying when he touches them.” - Oleksandr Usyk

Hard to disagree with that assessment, although I definitely think Joshua has the power to ko Wilder, too.

Wilder has not fought in an age and doesn’t appear focussed.

Joshua stomps all over him.

That isn’t the same as saying current Joshua would have beaten a peak Wilder.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 19:25 Wilder has not fought in an age and doesn’t appear focussed.

Joshua stomps all over him.

That isn’t the same as saying current Joshua would have beaten a peak Wilder.

How many years is it since Joshua stomped all over a decent level opponent?

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 19:25
Joshua stomps all over him.

This could prove difficult if he won’t go in the same building as him.

I personally think Joshua has lost a lot of confidence and might rather go into some sort of staged retirement rather than risk being bowled over in a round by Wilder. I just don’t think he will take this fight.

polecateddy wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:06 I personally think Joshua has lost a lot of confidence and might rather go into some sort of staged retirement rather than risk being bowled over in a round by Wilder. I just don’t think he will take this fight.

I can't see him getting in with another big puncher, full stop. Let alone Wilder. His new pity, pat pawing style will only succeed in getting him KOed against a big puncher.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 20:03

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 19:25 Wilder has not fought in an age and doesn’t appear focussed.

Joshua stomps all over him.

That isn’t the same as saying current Joshua would have beaten a peak Wilder.

How many years is it since Joshua stomped all over a decent level opponent?

There is every chance that Wilder is far from a decent level opponent.

From the outside it seems he has lost focus, is only interested in boxing for potential money/acclaim and maybe has mental health issues.

At his active best he was European level for me. I think he is now below that and maybe tailor made to flatter Joshua.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:40

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 20:03

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 19:25 Wilder has not fought in an age and doesn’t appear focussed.

Joshua stomps all over him.

That isn’t the same as saying current Joshua would have beaten a peak Wilder.

How many years is it since Joshua stomped all over a decent level opponent?

There is every chance that Wilder is far from a decent level opponent.

From the outside it seems he has lost focus, is only interested in boxing for potential money/acclaim and maybe has mental health issues.

At his active best he was European level for me. I think he is now below that and maybe tailor made to flatter Joshua.

A lot of wishful assumptions there. But even if true, what does a boxer lose last? His power and Wilder has power in abundance.

We know Joshua has turned timid. Everybody can see that, from the expert down.

Shocking power vs timid opponent usually only ends one way and that's why so many, including Usyk, favour Wilder to beat Joshua.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:48 We know Joshua has turned timid.

You say timid, I say measured.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:48

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:40

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 20:03

How many years is it since Joshua stomped all over a decent level opponent?

There is every chance that Wilder is far from a decent level opponent.

From the outside it seems he has lost focus, is only interested in boxing for potential money/acclaim and maybe has mental health issues.

At his active best he was European level for me. I think he is now below that and maybe tailor made to flatter Joshua.

A lot of wishful assumptions there. But even if true, what does a boxer lose last? His power and Wilder has power in abundance.

We know Joshua has turned timid. Everybody can see that, from the expert down.

Shocking power vs timid opponent usually only ends one way and that's why so many, including Usyk, favour Wilder to beat Joshua.

I say - let’s we hope we find out and can have a sportsman bet on it!

I've hoped they'd fight year after year after year. Don't hold your breath.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:40

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 20:03

Frostieballs wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 19:25 Wilder has not fought in an age and doesn’t appear focussed.

Joshua stomps all over him.

That isn’t the same as saying current Joshua would have beaten a peak Wilder.

How many years is it since Joshua stomped all over a decent level opponent?

There is every chance that Wilder is far from a decent level opponent.

From the outside it seems he has lost focus, is only interested in boxing for potential money/acclaim and maybe has mental health issues.

At his active best he was European level for me. I think he is now below that and maybe tailor made to flatter Joshua.

Perhaps if Joshua was as confident as you are his promoter could make Wilder an offer.

John, your son, Tyson, pulled out of negotiations twice against Joshua. Stop being so hypocritical.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 07:41

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:40

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑18 Oct 2023, 20:03

How many years is it since Joshua stomped all over a decent level opponent?

There is every chance that Wilder is far from a decent level opponent.

From the outside it seems he has lost focus, is only interested in boxing for potential money/acclaim and maybe has mental health issues.

At his active best he was European level for me. I think he is now below that and maybe tailor made to flatter Joshua.

Perhaps if Joshua was as confident as you are his promoter could make Wilder an offer.

Yawn.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 09:37

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 07:41

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 04:40

There is every chance that Wilder is far from a decent level opponent.

From the outside it seems he has lost focus, is only interested in boxing for potential money/acclaim and maybe has mental health issues.

At his active best he was European level for me. I think he is now below that and maybe tailor made to flatter Joshua.

Perhaps if Joshua was as confident as you are his promoter could make Wilder an offer.

Yawn.

Joshua’s promoter regards himself as the no.1 promoter in the World. Why do you think he has not made an offer to Wilder or Fury for years?

They did make an offer to Wilder, even Wilder admitted it.

"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would.”

Fury's also pulled out of negotiations with Joshua twice.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 09:53

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 09:37

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 07:41
Perhaps if Joshua was as confident as you are his promoter could make Wilder an offer.

Yawn.

Joshua’s promoter regards himself as the no.1 promoter in the World. Why do you think he has not made an offer to Wilder or Fury for years?

He made offers to Fury the drug cheat and he priced himself out.

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 10:33 They did make an offer to Wilder, even Wilder admitted it.

"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would.”

Fury's also pulled out of negotiations with Joshua twice.

Wilder-Fury 1 was in 2018. This thread is titled 2024.
Hearn has used Wilder’s name in his “after this fight” tactic for years. The Knitting Circle are blind to it.
Why does the self-proclaimed no.1 promoter not make an offer?

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 13:54

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 10:33 They did make an offer to Wilder, even Wilder admitted it.

"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would.”

Fury's also pulled out of negotiations with Joshua twice.

Wilder-Fury 1 was in 2018. This thread is titled 2024.
Hearn has used Wilder’s name in his “after this fight” tactic for years. The Knitting Circle are blind to it.
Why does the self-proclaimed no.1 promoter not make an offer?

You said no offer for years, you never specified a cut-off date.
Sounds like, because the evidence is directly from Wilder, you can no longer deny it, so now poorly attempting to shift the goalposts.
The closest Fury and Joshua have ever come to fighting was when they had negotiations prior to Fury pulling out to fight Wilder a third time; then when he cut off negotiations again and pulling out to fight Chisora for a 3rd time.
Go back to punching plexiglass and frothing at the mouth Doofy.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 13:54

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 10:33 They did make an offer to Wilder, even Wilder admitted it.

"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would.”

Fury's also pulled out of negotiations with Joshua twice.

Wilder-Fury 1 was in 2018. This thread is titled 2024.
Hearn has used Wilder’s name in his “after this fight” tactic for years. The Knitting Circle are blind to it.
Why does the self-proclaimed no.1 promoter not make an offer?

Bet your fun at parties

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 14:00

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 13:54

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 10:33 They did make an offer to Wilder, even Wilder admitted it.

"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would.”

Fury's also pulled out of negotiations with Joshua twice.

Wilder-Fury 1 was in 2018. This thread is titled 2024.
Hearn has used Wilder’s name in his “after this fight” tactic for years. The Knitting Circle are blind to it.
Why does the self-proclaimed no.1 promoter not make an offer?

You said no offer for years, you never specified a cut-off date.
Sounds like, because the evidence is directly from Wilder, you can no longer deny it, so now poorly attempting to shift the goalposts.
The closest Fury and Joshua have ever come to fighting was when they had negotiations prior to Fury pulling out to fight Wilder a third time; then when he cut off negotiations again and pulling out to fight Chisora for a 3rd time.
Go back to punching plexiglass and frothing at the mouth Doofy.

You’re just going back years with all this “he said, she said” nonsense.
Joshua has ducked Fury twice in the past 11 months. His promoter said the Wilder fight was locked in for December.
It appears that Joshua has no intention of fighting either of them and his promoter just uses their names to try and keep Joshua relevant.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 15:16

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 13:54

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 10:33 They did make an offer to Wilder, even Wilder admitted it.

"When that fight was a draw, I told you that I would give you a rematch. You know I was offered more money to fight Joshua than I was getting to fight you. Again being a man of my word, I fought you like I said I would.”

Fury's also pulled out of negotiations with Joshua twice.

Wilder-Fury 1 was in 2018. This thread is titled 2024.
Hearn has used Wilder’s name in his “after this fight” tactic for years. The Knitting Circle are blind to it.
Why does the self-proclaimed no.1 promoter not make an offer?

Bet your fun at parties

Hilarious banter.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 15:23

The Gratest wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 14:00

BigDoofus wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 13:54

Wilder-Fury 1 was in 2018. This thread is titled 2024.
Hearn has used Wilder’s name in his “after this fight” tactic for years. The Knitting Circle are blind to it.
Why does the self-proclaimed no.1 promoter not make an offer?

You said no offer for years, you never specified a cut-off date.
Sounds like, because the evidence is directly from Wilder, you can no longer deny it, so now poorly attempting to shift the goalposts.
The closest Fury and Joshua have ever come to fighting was when they had negotiations prior to Fury pulling out to fight Wilder a third time; then when he cut off negotiations again and pulling out to fight Chisora for a 3rd time.
Go back to punching plexiglass and frothing at the mouth Doofy.

You’re just going back years with all this “he said, she said” nonsense.
Joshua has ducked Fury twice in the past 11 months. His promoter said the Wilder fight was locked in for December.
It appears that Joshua has no intention of fighting either of them and his promoter just uses their names to try and keep Joshua relevant.

So you're no longer denying that it was Wilder who turned down Joshua.
It's all relevant because Joshua's team have learnt from that and realised that Wilder can't be trusted. He's also made no effort whatsoever in actually fighting again, and some think he won't. Joshua's rightly moving on with his career.
The same goes for Fury. Twice pulling out from Joshua negotiations and then sabotaging the Usyk fight because he had the cash grab fight with the novice lined up. Why would anyone want to waste their time with either of them?
You paint a pretty Fury based picture, but you are family, so it's understandable.
I hope Tommy has another Misfits fight lined up soon so you can concentrate on that rather than your boring, repetitive, ovsessive posts on here. You seem to fit right in with the Youtuber lot.

It’s been done to death.
Barry Hearn tweeted about turning down $50m for Wilder. He said 8 years ago that it needed to marinate. It’s still marinating.
Fury’s promoter was the only promoter that has offered fights up to this one that Fury accepted. Usyk has waited for a better payday but Joshua wants easier fights.

It took you all night just to come up with your repetitive tongue in cheek Barry Hearn quote? I'd rather take what the actual fighter himself, Deontay Wilder, had to say and the fact he admitted it after the Barry quote.
You just can't see past the end of your Fury shaped nose on this, can you?
Fury's the only one to pull out of negotiations with Joshua. Twice. Facts John, facts.