A country where the average salary is about £6,000 a year, where there is absolutely nothing economically to lose and, comparatively, everything to gain.
What is your evidence euro scepticism has vanished? James O’Brien told you so on LBC?
You've not been reading the news, obviously. look up Geert Wilders change of heart.
Your “evidence” amounts to an anecdote?
Just Googled him and can’t see any reference - only that he gave up trying to become Dutch PM.
For the sake of argument, I believe you on Wilders, but if that is the sum total of your evidence then all of your work is still ahead of you.
Well, not just him, Marine Le Pen, Meloni in Italy - a Eurosceptic who talked about the greatness of Brexit until she then came to power and put aside any silly notions of a referendum because how it worked out for the UK the Poles, the Hungarians, the Austrians - eurosceptics but no exit from the EU in sight - why is that do you think?
You've not been reading the news, obviously. look up Geert Wilders change of heart.
Your “evidence” amounts to an anecdote?
Just Googled him and can’t see any reference - only that he gave up trying to become Dutch PM.
For the sake of argument, I believe you on Wilders, but if that is the sum total of your evidence then all of your work is still ahead of you.
Well, not just him, Marine Le Pen, Meloni in Italy - a Eurosceptic who talked about the greatness of Brexit until she then came to power and put aside any silly notions of a referendum because how it worked out for the UK the Poles, the Hungarians, the Austrians - eurosceptics but no exit from the EU in sight - why is that do you think?
Because they are all net financial beneficiaries of being in the EU. The UK (and Germany) was not.
It’s like 20 guys in a pub, but only 2 of them ever buy the rounds. The other 18 are happy to stay in the pub and never want to leave. Why do you think that is?
Just Googled him and can’t see any reference - only that he gave up trying to become Dutch PM.
For the sake of argument, I believe you on Wilders, but if that is the sum total of your evidence then all of your work is still ahead of you.
Well, not just him, Marine Le Pen, Meloni in Italy - a Eurosceptic who talked about the greatness of Brexit until she then came to power and put aside any silly notions of a referendum because how it worked out for the UK the Poles, the Hungarians, the Austrians - eurosceptics but no exit from the EU in sight - why is that do you think?
Because they are all net financial beneficiaries of being in the EU. The UK (and Germany) was not.
It’s like 20 guys in a pub, but only 2 of them ever buy the rounds. The other 18 are happy to stay in the pub and never want to leave. Why do you think that is?
We weren't the second biggest contributor when we were in, we were fourth - behind the Germans, Italians and the French... OK. so why are none of those countries going to hold a referendum to leave the EU and why is EU membership popular in Germany?
Well, not just him, Marine Le Pen, Meloni in Italy - a Eurosceptic who talked about the greatness of Brexit until she then came to power and put aside any silly notions of a referendum because how it worked out for the UK the Poles, the Hungarians, the Austrians - eurosceptics but no exit from the EU in sight - why is that do you think?
Because they are all net financial beneficiaries of being in the EU. The UK (and Germany) was not.
It’s like 20 guys in a pub, but only 2 of them ever buy the rounds. The other 18 are happy to stay in the pub and never want to leave. Why do you think that is?
We weren't the second biggest contributor when we were in, we were fourth - behind the Germans, Italians and the French... OK. so why are none of those countries going to hold a referendum to leave the EU and why is EU membership popular in Germany?
The Spanish and Italians would love to leave if they weren't in economic handcuffs.
The CAP is hugely beneficial to the French.
The Germans are laughing all the way to the bank.
Well, not just him, Marine Le Pen, Meloni in Italy - a Eurosceptic who talked about the greatness of Brexit until she then came to power and put aside any silly notions of a referendum because how it worked out for the UK the Poles, the Hungarians, the Austrians - eurosceptics but no exit from the EU in sight - why is that do you think?
Because they are all net financial beneficiaries of being in the EU. The UK (and Germany) was not.
It’s like 20 guys in a pub, but only 2 of them ever buy the rounds. The other 18 are happy to stay in the pub and never want to leave. Why do you think that is?
We weren't the second biggest contributor when we were in, we were fourth - behind the Germans, Italians and the French... OK. so why are none of those countries going to hold a referendum to leave the EU and why is EU membership popular in Germany?
UK had the second biggest net contribution to the EU budget, behind only Germany. The data is there published my multiple sources, including the EU. You are either mistaken or just outright lying.
There are various reasons Germany, France and Italy might choose to stay. All being on the Euro is the obvious one, making their exports more affordable to other states etc etc. If Germany reverted to the mark the exchange rate would cripple their industry….so they have to keep subbing the riff raff.
Because they are all net financial beneficiaries of being in the EU. The UK (and Germany) was not.
It’s like 20 guys in a pub, but only 2 of them ever buy the rounds. The other 18 are happy to stay in the pub and never want to leave. Why do you think that is?
We weren't the second biggest contributor when we were in, we were fourth - behind the Germans, Italians and the French... OK. so why are none of those countries going to hold a referendum to leave the EU and why is EU membership popular in Germany?
The Spanish and Italians would love to leave if they weren't in economic handcuffs.
The CAP is hugely beneficial to the French.
The Germans are laughing all the way to the bank.
If it wasn't for the EU - they wouldn't be on par with Mexico! You know it and so do I.
They're in 'economic handcuffs' because they have to pay for all those brand new shiny roads that the EU gave them loans for on the never ever and they're quite happy about it.
Because they are all net financial beneficiaries of being in the EU. The UK (and Germany) was not.
It’s like 20 guys in a pub, but only 2 of them ever buy the rounds. The other 18 are happy to stay in the pub and never want to leave. Why do you think that is?
We weren't the second biggest contributor when we were in, we were fourth - behind the Germans, Italians and the French... OK. so why are none of those countries going to hold a referendum to leave the EU and why is EU membership popular in Germany?
UK had the second biggest net contribution to the EU budget, behind only Germany. The data is there published my multiple sources, including the EU. You are either mistaken or just outright lying.
There are various reasons Germany, France and Italy might choose to stay. All being on the Euro is the obvious one, making their exports more affordable to other states etc etc. If Germany reverted to the mark the exchange rate would cripple their industry….so they have to keep subbing the riff raff.
Show me where they were second? You won't find it because this is how it went according to all the publications out there...
Germany, then the French, then the Italians and then the UK followed by the Spanish - who took out more than they put in.
So, according to all these really smart 'Brexiteers' Brexit was going to be the catalyst of starting the break up of the EU because the individual EU member countries would want what we had and all the big successes of Brexit and as of 2024 - that's not happened - so, it might be the Euro, it might be their interdependence on each other etc but no-one is going to be silly enough to do what Cameron did and hold a referendum to leave - well, not after Brexit anyway.
The UK has been the third or fourth largest contributing country to the EU budget in recent years, and of the 28 EU members is one of 10 to contribute more than it gets back in receipts.
The UK, being one of the EU’s largest economies, pays more than most members. Only Germany and France consistently contribute more funding, while Italy pays about the same amount.
The UK’s rebate is a discount on its contributions so it reduces what it would otherwise pay, and increases what other member states pay. Without the rebate the UK would be the second largest contributor behind Germany.
Factoring in money that comes back as well, the UK is one of 10 countries that pay more in than they get back. Relative to the size of their economies, Germany and the Netherlands are the biggest contributors and Bulgaria and Hungary are the biggest receivers.
We weren't the second biggest contributor when we were in, we were fourth - behind the Germans, Italians and the French... OK. so why are none of those countries going to hold a referendum to leave the EU and why is EU membership popular in Germany?
The Spanish and Italians would love to leave if they weren't in economic handcuffs.
The CAP is hugely beneficial to the French.
The Germans are laughing all the way to the bank.
If it wasn't for the EU - they wouldn't be on par with Mexico! You know it and so do I.
They're in 'economic handcuffs' because they have to pay for all those brand new shiny roads that the EU gave them loans for on the never ever and they're quite happy about it.
Profit privatised and debt socialised, the folk in the street haven't had any benefit, with the euro wages stayed the same and prices doubled overnight.
The Spanish and Italians would love to leave if they weren't in economic handcuffs.
The CAP is hugely beneficial to the French.
The Germans are laughing all the way to the bank.
If it wasn't for the EU - they wouldn't be on par with Mexico! You know it and so do I.
They're in 'economic handcuffs' because they have to pay for all those brand new shiny roads that the EU gave them loans for on the never ever and they're quite happy about it.
Profit privatised and debt socialised, the folk in the street haven't had any benefit, with the euro wages stayed the same and prices doubled overnight.
'folk in the street' have never benefited at anytime - not even in 1500 when Spain was at its height. How do you think people would prosper if Spain left the EU? They wouldn't.
Vox wants Spain to leave the EU and forge closer ties with Latin America so you're going to have to deal with more 'sudacas' which you nor any of your nearest and dearest want to deal with or you deal with the EU - it's one or the other, what can't happen with Spain is that they leave the EU and become some independent powerhouse, they still haven't recovered from the yanks tanning them in 1898 - Spain have had their day in the sun 400 years ago! It will never come back.
The only way for Spain to be anything like a first world country is to remain in the EU. It's the same with Italy, Portugal and Greece - economically, Spain is a country on a life support machine and the life support machine is the ECB - could leaving the EU and becoming massively interlinked with Latin America and have a FTA with the whole region like they do with the EU work? I suppose but I don't see how the ordinary Spaniard will be better off, they won't be.
If it wasn't for the EU - they wouldn't be on par with Mexico! You know it and so do I.
They're in 'economic handcuffs' because they have to pay for all those brand new shiny roads that the EU gave them loans for on the never ever and they're quite happy about it.
Profit privatised and debt socialised, the folk in the street haven't had any benefit, with the euro wages stayed the same and prices doubled overnight.
'folk in the street' have never benefited at anytime - not even in 1500 when Spain was at its height. How do you think people would prosper if Spain left the EU? They wouldn't.
Vox wants Spain to leave the EU and forge closer ties with Latin America so you're going to have to deal with more 'sudacas' which you nor any of your nearest and dearest want to deal with or you deal with the EU - it's one or the other, what can't happen with Spain is that they leave the EU and become some independent powerhouse, they still haven't recovered from the yanks tanning them in 1898 - Spain have had their day in the sun 400 years ago! It will never come back.
The only way for Spain to be anything like a first world country is to remain in the EU. It's the same with Italy, Portugal and Greece - economically, Spain is a country on a life support machine and the life support machine is the ECB - could leaving the EU and becoming massively interlinked with Latin America and have a FTA with the whole region like they do with the EU work? I suppose but I don't see how the ordinary Spaniard will be better off, they won't be.
Spain is on a life support machine because of the EU, and the EU sold them that machine on finance at loan shark rates.
Obviously at this point it's the life support machine or turn the lights off! So not any positive choices.
Vox have no sensible policies and the other parties are in the EUs pocket
Profit privatised and debt socialised, the folk in the street haven't had any benefit, with the euro wages stayed the same and prices doubled overnight.
'folk in the street' have never benefited at anytime - not even in 1500 when Spain was at its height. How do you think people would prosper if Spain left the EU? They wouldn't.
Vox wants Spain to leave the EU and forge closer ties with Latin America so you're going to have to deal with more 'sudacas' which you nor any of your nearest and dearest want to deal with or you deal with the EU - it's one or the other, what can't happen with Spain is that they leave the EU and become some independent powerhouse, they still haven't recovered from the yanks tanning them in 1898 - Spain have had their day in the sun 400 years ago! It will never come back.
The only way for Spain to be anything like a first world country is to remain in the EU. It's the same with Italy, Portugal and Greece - economically, Spain is a country on a life support machine and the life support machine is the ECB - could leaving the EU and becoming massively interlinked with Latin America and have a FTA with the whole region like they do with the EU work? I suppose but I don't see how the ordinary Spaniard will be better off, they won't be.
Spain is on a life support machine because of the EU, and the EU sold them that machine on finance at loan shark rates.
Obviously at this point it's the life support machine or turn the lights off! So not any positive choices.
Vox have no sensible policies and the other parties are in the EUs pocket
What are you on about. Spain is booming, and it has the highest life expectancy in the world.
'folk in the street' have never benefited at anytime - not even in 1500 when Spain was at its height. How do you think people would prosper if Spain left the EU? They wouldn't.
Vox wants Spain to leave the EU and forge closer ties with Latin America so you're going to have to deal with more 'sudacas' which you nor any of your nearest and dearest want to deal with or you deal with the EU - it's one or the other, what can't happen with Spain is that they leave the EU and become some independent powerhouse, they still haven't recovered from the yanks tanning them in 1898 - Spain have had their day in the sun 400 years ago! It will never come back.
The only way for Spain to be anything like a first world country is to remain in the EU. It's the same with Italy, Portugal and Greece - economically, Spain is a country on a life support machine and the life support machine is the ECB - could leaving the EU and becoming massively interlinked with Latin America and have a FTA with the whole region like they do with the EU work? I suppose but I don't see how the ordinary Spaniard will be better off, they won't be.
Spain is on a life support machine because of the EU, and the EU sold them that machine on finance at loan shark rates.
Obviously at this point it's the life support machine or turn the lights off! So not any positive choices.
Vox have no sensible policies and the other parties are in the EUs pocket
What are you on about. Spain is booming, and it has the highest life expectancy in the world.
Most people earn about 1000 euros a month, anyone earning 1500 a month is considered pretty well off.
That's the reason you can still buy nice houses cheap,mespecially as most work is on zero hour contracts which the banks won't lend against
'folk in the street' have never benefited at anytime - not even in 1500 when Spain was at its height. How do you think people would prosper if Spain left the EU? They wouldn't.
Vox wants Spain to leave the EU and forge closer ties with Latin America so you're going to have to deal with more 'sudacas' which you nor any of your nearest and dearest want to deal with or you deal with the EU - it's one or the other, what can't happen with Spain is that they leave the EU and become some independent powerhouse, they still haven't recovered from the yanks tanning them in 1898 - Spain have had their day in the sun 400 years ago! It will never come back.
The only way for Spain to be anything like a first world country is to remain in the EU. It's the same with Italy, Portugal and Greece - economically, Spain is a country on a life support machine and the life support machine is the ECB - could leaving the EU and becoming massively interlinked with Latin America and have a FTA with the whole region like they do with the EU work? I suppose but I don't see how the ordinary Spaniard will be better off, they won't be.
Spain is on a life support machine because of the EU, and the EU sold them that machine on finance at loan shark rates.
Obviously at this point it's the life support machine or turn the lights off! So not any positive choices.
Vox have no sensible policies and the other parties are in the EUs pocket
What are you on about. Spain is booming, and it has the highest life expectancy in the world.
I am sure all those mileurstas who flock to Berlin to earn over a 1000 Euros a month would be very happy if some utter genius took them out of the EU - where would they go? Oh yeah, they can wait for Lexit to come around!
Spain is on a life support machine because of the EU, and the EU sold them that machine on finance at loan shark rates.
Obviously at this point it's the life support machine or turn the lights off! So not any positive choices.
Vox have no sensible policies and the other parties are in the EUs pocket
What are you on about. Spain is booming, and it has the highest life expectancy in the world.
I am sure all those mileurstas who flock to Berlin to earn over a 1000 Euros a month would be very happy if some utter genius took them out of the EU - where would they go? Oh yeah, they can wait for Lexit to come around!
The Spanish love Spain, the weather, food etc, most who go abroad for work, even if they do well, do it because they have too. Folk in have talked to who live in the rainy UK and northern Europe are utterly miserable and dream of coming home.
They really miss fresh fruit and vege and especially olive oil.
Olive oil in Spain really is different, I dunno if it's the transport that makes the difference or we just sell the bad stuff abroad
I am sure all those mileurstas who flock to Berlin to earn over a 1000 Euros a month would be very happy if some utter genius took them out of the EU - where would they go? Oh yeah, they can wait for Lexit to come around!
The Spanish love Spain, the weather, food etc, most who go abroad for work, even if they do well, do it because they have too. Folk in have talked to who live in the rainy UK and northern Europe are utterly miserable and dream of coming home.
They really miss fresh fruit and vege and especially olive oil.
Olive oil in Spain really is different, I dunno if it's the transport that makes the difference or we just sell the bad stuff abroad
There you go 'they have to'.
I love Spain too but it isn't an industrial or economic powerhouse - its times of global influence were 400 years ago - have you ever listened to a song by Los Nikis called 'El Imperio contraactaa'? Give it a listen, they explain it.
And the pasty white north Europeans working hard shifts 40/50/60 hours a week distributed their spare wealth by keeping the laid back warmer climates of the Med afloat through tourism.
I am sure all those mileurstas who flock to Berlin to earn over a 1000 Euros a month would be very happy if some utter genius took them out of the EU - where would they go? Oh yeah, they can wait for Lexit to come around!
The Spanish love Spain, the weather, food etc, most who go abroad for work, even if they do well, do it because they have too. Folk in have talked to who live in the rainy UK and northern Europe are utterly miserable and dream of coming home.
They really miss fresh fruit and vege and especially olive oil.
Olive oil in Spain really is different, I dunno if it's the transport that makes the difference or we just sell the bad stuff abroad
They should move to Ireland so they can live in a tent in the pissing rain
I am sure all those mileurstas who flock to Berlin to earn over a 1000 Euros a month would be very happy if some utter genius took them out of the EU - where would they go? Oh yeah, they can wait for Lexit to come around!
The Spanish love Spain, the weather, food etc, most who go abroad for work, even if they do well, do it because they have too. Folk in have talked to who live in the rainy UK and northern Europe are utterly miserable and dream of coming home.
They really miss fresh fruit and vege and especially olive oil.
Olive oil in Spain really is different, I dunno if it's the transport that makes the difference or we just sell the bad stuff abroad
I say the same thing about the wine. Ready to come home after two months in the US, where I pay $13-$20 for mediocre Spanish wine I can buy for 3-4€ in Valencia that is better quality.
I am sure all those mileurstas who flock to Berlin to earn over a 1000 Euros a month would be very happy if some utter genius took them out of the EU - where would they go? Oh yeah, they can wait for Lexit to come around!
The Spanish love Spain, the weather, food etc, most who go abroad for work, even if they do well, do it because they have too. Folk in have talked to who live in the rainy UK and northern Europe are utterly miserable and dream of coming home.
They really miss fresh fruit and vege and especially olive oil.
Olive oil in Spain really is different, I dunno if it's the transport that makes the difference or we just sell the bad stuff abroad
There you go 'they have to'.
I love Spain too but it isn't an industrial or economic powerhouse - its times of global influence were 400 years ago - have you ever listened to a song by Los Nikis called 'El Imperio contraactaa'? Give it a listen, they explain it.
So what? Who cares?
Britain is a hugely influential country, with some huge companies, especially in financial services, but living standards have been in decline, and social infrastructure, because of deliberate policies.
Spain does also have some very large tech companies, Telefonica is one of the largest global players in wireless connevtivity.
The Spanish love Spain, the weather, food etc, most who go abroad for work, even if they do well, do it because they have too. Folk in have talked to who live in the rainy UK and northern Europe are utterly miserable and dream of coming home.
They really miss fresh fruit and vege and especially olive oil.
Olive oil in Spain really is different, I dunno if it's the transport that makes the difference or we just sell the bad stuff abroad
There you go 'they have to'.
I love Spain too but it isn't an industrial or economic powerhouse - its times of global influence were 400 years ago - have you ever listened to a song by Los Nikis called 'El Imperio contraactaa'? Give it a listen, they explain it.
So what? Who cares?
Coco does! What do you think we're talking about?
He thinks Spain can prosper outside the EU - Spain's future has gone, it was 400 years ago, it isn't coming back - being a member of the EU is where its future lies, it cannot 'go it alone' and leave the EU, it's fantasy and nonsense like it is for the UK.
They either leave the EU or throw their lot in with Latin America - that would actually make more sense than the UK joining a Pacific Trading bloc 8000 miles away - Spain share a lot of maritime links with Latin America but would that be better than being inside the EU? I don't think so.
I love Spain too but it isn't an industrial or economic powerhouse - its times of global influence were 400 years ago - have you ever listened to a song by Los Nikis called 'El Imperio contraactaa'? Give it a listen, they explain it.
So what? Who cares?
Coco does! What do you think we're talking about?
He thinks Spain can prosper outside the EU - Spain's future has gone, it was 400 years ago, it isn't coming back - being a member of the EU is where its future lies, it cannot 'go it alone' and leave the EU, it's fantasy and nonsense like it is for the UK.
They either leave the EU or throw their lot in with Latin America - that would actually make more sense than the UK joining a Pacific Trading bloc 8000 miles away - Spain share a lot of maritime links with Latin America but would that be better than being inside the EU? I don't think so.
Right, i see what you mean.
Yeah, i concur, theyre doing very nicely being in Europe.
I love Spain too but it isn't an industrial or economic powerhouse - its times of global influence were 400 years ago - have you ever listened to a song by Los Nikis called 'El Imperio contraactaa'? Give it a listen, they explain it.
So what? Who cares?
Coco does! What do you think we're talking about?
He thinks Spain can prosper outside the EU - Spain's future has gone, it was 400 years ago, it isn't coming back - being a member of the EU is where its future lies, it cannot 'go it alone' and leave the EU, it's fantasy and nonsense like it is for the UK.
They either leave the EU or throw their lot in with Latin America - that would actually make more sense than the UK joining a Pacific Trading bloc 8000 miles away - Spain share a lot of maritime links with Latin America but would that be better than being inside the EU? I don't think so.
We would welcome Spain to leave EU Alcatraz and join us in the CPTPP. I still prefer South African oranges though. The future is bright, the future is oranges etc.
look up Geert Wilders change of heart.
the Poles, the Hungarians, the Austrians - eurosceptics but no exit from the EU in sight - why is that do you think?
€ in Valencia that is better quality.