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Martin...

As a result of the new rule, I'm curious what the biggest differences are in the all-time ratings?

Mikey Garcia #4 at WW is a little questionable. I see Oscar Valdez also jumped up to #2 at 130, maybe there needs to be slightly more penalty for weight jumping?

Also Taylor back up at #1 at 140 but Ramirez way down from #1 to #4. I wonder what happened there.

jujigatame wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 22:59 Mikey Garcia #4 at WW is a little questionable. I see Oscar Valdez also jumped up to #2 at 130, maybe there needs to be slightly more penalty for weight jumping?

Also Taylor back up at #1 at 140 but Ramirez way down from #1 to #4. I wonder what happened there.

Due to the stay busy bout rule, best rating within 18 months as long boxer has clear wins:
- Valdez now has his 114.2 points from 2019-11-30 (until 2021-05-30)
- Taylor now has his 296.1 points from 2019-10-26 (until 2021-04-26)
- Prograis now has his 267.7 points from same bout
- Zepada now has his 210.6 points from 2019-09-14 (until 2021-03-14)
- Ramirez has still his 208.5 points from his close last bout

JCS wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 17:37 Martin...

As a result of the new rule, I'm curious what the biggest differences are in the all-time ratings?

The new rule shows no impact to the all-time ratings. The new rule only is applied ad hoc for the current ratings. The WHR ratings are not touched.

And what happened from the dates of birth of the fighters. Why is it not displayed ???

mike1989 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 10:58 And what happened from the dates of birth of the fighters. Why is it not displayed ???

General Data Protection Regulation GDPR of the European Union
https://gdpr-info.eu/

computerrank wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 14:35

mike1989 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 10:58 And what happened from the dates of birth of the fighters. Why is it not displayed ???

General Data Protection Regulation GDPR of the European Union
https://gdpr-info.eu/

Clear. Sorry. Very uncomfortable(...

mike1989 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 15:55

computerrank wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 14:35

mike1989 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 10:58 And what happened from the dates of birth of the fighters. Why is it not displayed ???

General Data Protection Regulation GDPR of the European Union
https://gdpr-info.eu/

Clear. Sorry. Very uncomfortable(...

and if the athletes consent to the dissemination of personal data.
For example by checking a box when creating a fighter profile ???

mike1989 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 16:03

mike1989 wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 15:55

computerrank wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 14:35
General Data Protection Regulation GDPR of the European Union
https://gdpr-info.eu/

Clear. Sorry. Very uncomfortable(...

and if the athletes consent to the dissemination of personal data.
For example by checking a box when creating a fighter profile ???

This is not final decision of Boxrec, it is just a precautionary measure guided by legal advice.

Always thought it was strange to display full birthdates for the fighters. Why is this info necessary?

why's that strange, that happens all the time with athlete listings/bios, it lets you see then how old they were at each phase (and in boxrecs case without having to click on the fight page for every fight)


also, now there is no age or birth info at all for inactive fighters

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 20:00 why's that strange, that happens all the time with athlete listings/bios, it lets you see then how old they were at each phase (and in boxrecs case without having to click on the fight page for every fight)


also, now there is no age or birth info at all for inactive fighters

All the American sports list their birthdays. Been that way forever.

computerrank wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 05:42

JCS wrote: ↑18 Feb 2021, 17:37 Martin...

As a result of the new rule, I'm curious what the biggest differences are in the all-time ratings?

The new rule shows no impact to the all-time ratings. The new rule only is applied ad hoc for the current ratings. The WHR ratings are not touched.

Does this also not effect the annual ratings?

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 21:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 20:00 why's that strange, that happens all the time with athlete listings/bios, it lets you see then how old they were at each phase (and in boxrecs case without having to click on the fight page for every fight)


also, now there is no age or birth info at all for inactive fighters

All the American sports list their birthdays. Been that way forever.

Many Americans are obese as well. Is that OK?

Seems irrelevant to me.. if you know their age, why does their full birthdate matter?

JCS wrote: ↑20 Feb 2021, 00:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 21:14

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 20:00 why's that strange, that happens all the time with athlete listings/bios, it lets you see then how old they were at each phase (and in boxrecs case without having to click on the fight page for every fight)


also, now there is no age or birth info at all for inactive fighters

All the American sports list their birthdays. Been that way forever.

Many Americans are obese as well. Is that OK?

Seems irrelevant to me.. if you know their age, why does their full birthdate matter?

LOL! Why does it matter to hide it? Why so angry over it?

and i mean why does birth date specifically get ax'd , what about all the other personal details on the fighters records

oogiebe wrote: ↑20 Feb 2021, 00:39

JCS wrote: ↑20 Feb 2021, 00:15

oogiebe wrote: ↑19 Feb 2021, 21:14
All the American sports list their birthdays. Been that way forever.

Many Americans are obese as well. Is that OK?

Seems irrelevant to me.. if you know their age, why does their full birthdate matter?

LOL! Why does it matter to hide it? Why so angry over it?

Where do you see anger?

For birthday date discussion outside of the ratings themselves would you please follow that thread on Boxrec

viewtopic.php?f=1&p=5509457#p5509457

computerrank wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 17:00

mike1989 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 16:45

computerrank wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 15:58 The new stay-busy-bout rule is set life now. The complete changed ratings will be visible after the next daily ratings run on 2021-02-18.

I just for test made an instant update for the ratings of Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua. So you can even now see, Anthony Joshua is now rated #2.

Martin like Yenthony Joshua can have 795 points if he flew to Yndi Ruiz by TKO then won 208 points in Ruiz. Judging by the rating, Ruiz before Joshua had only sacks. After Ruiz, Joshua had Kubrat Pulev 49 points. Then from where in Anthony Joshua 795 points. This is absurd!

I already explained that in the posts before - That means a boxer will keep the highest rating within the last 18 months, as long as his record shows clear wins. So if there are stay busy bouts or clear wins against inferior opponents later, that won't drop the rating ...

what is the minimum opposition rating that will lead to a drop in the rating in 18 months ???

mike1989 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 12:59

computerrank wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 17:00

mike1989 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 16:45

Martin like Yenthony Joshua can have 795 points if he flew to Yndi Ruiz by TKO then won 208 points in Ruiz. Judging by the rating, Ruiz before Joshua had only sacks. After Ruiz, Joshua had Kubrat Pulev 49 points. Then from where in Anthony Joshua 795 points. This is absurd!

I already explained that in the posts before - That means a boxer will keep the highest rating within the last 18 months, as long as his record shows clear wins. So if there are stay busy bouts or clear wins against inferior opponents later, that won't drop the rating ...

what is the minimum opposition rating that will lead to a drop in the rating in 18 months ???

There is no minimum rating - it depends on the records.

computerrank wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 17:07

mike1989 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 12:59

computerrank wrote: ↑17 Feb 2021, 17:00 I already explained that in the posts before - That means a boxer will keep the highest rating within the last 18 months, as long as his record shows clear wins. So if there are stay busy bouts or clear wins against inferior opponents later, that won't drop the rating ...

what is the minimum opposition rating that will lead to a drop in the rating in 18 months ???

There is no minimum rating - it depends on the records.

I do not understand. Can you explain, for example, Anthony Joshua ???

mike1989 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 15:49

computerrank wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 17:07

mike1989 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 12:59

what is the minimum opposition rating that will lead to a drop in the rating in 18 months ???

There is no minimum rating - it depends on the records.

I do not understand. Can you explain, for example, Anthony Joshua ???

Anthony Joshua, and what would you like to know, please?

computerrank wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 16:50

mike1989 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 15:49

computerrank wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 17:07 There is no minimum rating - it depends on the records.

I do not understand. Can you explain, for example, Anthony Joshua ???

Anthony Joshua, and what would you like to know, please?

How does the current rating points change depending on the opposition ??? Let's take Anthony Joshua the period since the fight against Alexander Povetkin ???

mike1989 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 17:14

computerrank wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 16:50

mike1989 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 15:49

I do not understand. Can you explain, for example, Anthony Joshua ???

Anthony Joshua, and what would you like to know, please?

How does the current rating points change depending on the opposition ??? Let's take Anthony Joshua the period since the fight against Alexander Povetkin ???

You mean the ratings of Joshua after each of his bouts regarding all bouts of all boxers before each of those bouts. The current ratings in that sense are not available for the past. WHR shows the ratings at time of each bout regarding all bouts before and after that bout. And it would consume far to much computer ressources to calculate those ratings daily, with all those daily new and changed results in history.

computerrank wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 17:56

mike1989 wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 17:14

computerrank wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 16:50 Anthony Joshua, and what would you like to know, please?

How does the current rating points change depending on the opposition ??? Let's take Anthony Joshua the period since the fight against Alexander Povetkin ???

You mean the ratings of Joshua after each of his bouts regarding all bouts of all boxers before each of those bouts. The current ratings in that sense are not available for the past. WHR shows the ratings at time of each bout regarding all bouts before and after that bout. And it would consume far to much computer ressources to calculate those ratings daily, with all those daily new and changed results in history.

Yes