Round-by-Round: Golovkin vs. Canelo 1 - September 16, 2017

[jezzamundo]

Watched it again. 3G won the fight. In order to get to a draw you would literally have to give every remotely close round. The only way to make it close was to heavily weigh everything that GingerHead did and discount what 3G did.

GingrHead landed crisp shots but nowhere near as many as 3G. His shots also had less effect, by a longshot. The argument by the talking heads that GingerHead came on late is true, except for the fact that 3G answered and surpassed him in two of those final three rounds.

Furthermore, the first three rounds were not a clean sweep by any means. They were very close, the clearest going to GingerHead in the 2nd, but 3G held the advantage in round 1, imo, and 3 was very close.

There were only five absolutely clear rounds and 3G won four of those. Four of the seven competitive rounds were pretty clearly 3G's.

Second viewing I had it 116-112:

3G (close)
GingerHead
GingerHead (very close)
3G
3G (fairly close)
3G (fairly close)
3G
3G
3G (close)
3G (clearest round of the fight)
GingerHead (close)
GingerHead (extremely close)

Last night I had it 117-111 3G realtime.

I haven't rewatched it yet and had it 116-112 to GGG, here's how I scored the rounds:

1: GGG (close)
2: Canelo (clear)
3: Canelo (close)
4: GGG (clear)
5: GGG (clear)
6: GGG (clear)
7: GGG (clear)
8: Canelo (close)
9: GGG (close)
10: GGG (close)
11: GGG (close)
12: Canelo (clear)

[Tanzio]

I keep trying to be nice. I do suppose that there are close rounds that can be rationalized for 3G, but it was 117-111, imo. 3G won that last round too. He took the GingerHead barrage, walked him down and landed more volume more effectively.

3G = 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12

GingerHead = 2,3,11

I figured prior to the fight and upon it reaching a decision that GingerHead would get an SD. Therefore, the draw was the best evidence to me that it was a clear 3G W.

[boxing_rocks]

I keep trying to be nice. I do suppose that there are close rounds that can be rationalized for 3G, but it was 117-111, imo. 3G won that last round too. He took the GingerHead barrage, walked him down and landed more volume more effectively.

3G = 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12

GingerHead = 2,3,11

I figured prior to the fight and upon it reaching a decision that GingerHead would get an SD. Therefore, the draw was the best evidence to me that it was a clear 3G W.

Yeah, after hearing the first card, I was sure that it would go to Canelo. Somebody may just have put a big money on a draw and made sure it happens.

[BroughtonRulesRefuge]

- The OP has no credibility to score this fight since he's been one of a circle of what can only be considered racist dialogue if it were couched in the same language in reference to a minority, but we all know charges of racism these days are usually cheap shots and hardly worth a mention given the rest of the horrors going on in the world. Canelo's lived with it long before he became a boxer and rolls off him with no bother.

I liked both coming in as true fighters but deplored them having to fight in the corrupt Vegas jurisdiction, so really a draw was a good outcome for both. There will be a rematch down the road, and of course the usual assjulios are already screaming Canelo ducking, grass green and sky blue. And yeah, as I have maintained for years, the 10 point must system is something some clever suits came up with knowing the overall low functioning level of the predominant boxing fan to keep them off balance never understanding how to score a fight.

I had the fight even after 7 rounds, coincidentally the last round I gave Golovkin. I had Canelo sweeping the last 4 of 5 with the 11th being even. If I give Golovkin the even rounds, then it's a draw which is why I score even rounds to understand where the controversy comes from. Canelo pulled out as full a boxing tool kit as has ever been seen, alternately boxing and moving, laying and countering off the ropes, fighting at ring center, forcing Golovkin on the back foot numerous times with showy shots, even stumbling him once that I credit the timing of the punch coming as Golovkin feet got crossed up, which brings another point. Canelo kept Golovkin off balance or out of range for most of the fight, alternately either placing ideal shots in or rattling off some eye catching combos. Nobody has yet to exploit Golovkin so well, so in actuality, it was Canelo getting robbed as many thought if it went the distance as the money fighter he wins the decision.

Golovkin has the air let out of his MONSTER balloon, but keeps his Zero and titles. He's lucky in that they could have stacked the deck with two more of the deplorable Byrds to have consensus 118-110 cards. Vegas is the biggest hoax in boxing as we have seen over the years, flattering he who need not be savaged by me for the umpteenth time now. It was a good fight, not a great fight because neither could really hurt the other, but they sure got in some stingers. I'll let their teams make the next moves.

[Deserter]

I had the fight even after 7 rounds, coincidentally the last round I gave Golovkin.

I'm honestly astonished by that.

[Tanzio]

- The OP has no credibility to score this fight since he's been one of a circle of what can only be considered racist dialogue if it were couched in the same language in reference to a minority, but we all know charges of racism these days are usually cheap shots and hardly worth a mention given the rest of the horrors going on in the world. Canelo's lived with it long before he became a boxer and rolls off him with no bother.

It is a nickname, Refuge4Bullsh!tRules. It has zero to do with his race, which is pretty clearly mixed (like mine), or his nationality, given I do business with Mexican citizens daily (including this morning), and I spend a considerable amount of time on business and pleasure, regularly (including a few days in Tijuana in the last month, a city and region that is in the process of rebirth economically, socially and culturally).

I love Mexico and the Mexican people in general, as I do Canada and canadians, no matter an individual's ancestry. The nickname is solely based on his hair and the size of his cabeza, which approaches but does not equal the size of my own.

Now crawl back into that cozy politically correct hovel in your brain and take a nap, son.

[boxing_rocks]

- The OP has no credibility to score this fight since he's been one of a circle of what can only be considered racist dialogue if it were couched in the same language in reference to a minority, but we all know charges of racism these days are usually cheap shots and hardly worth a mention given the rest of the horrors going on in the world. Canelo's lived with it long before he became a boxer and rolls off him with no bother.

It is a nickname, Refuge4Bullsh!tRules. It has zero to do with his race, which is pretty clearly mixed (like mine), or his nationality, given I do business with Mexican citizens daily (including this morning), and I spend a considerable amount of time on business and pleasure, regularly (including a few days in Tijuana in the last month, a city and region that is in the process of rebirth economically, socially and culturally).

I love Mexico and the Mexican people in general, as I do Canada and canadians, no matter an individual's ancestry. The nickname is solely based on his hair and the size of his cabeza, which approaches but does not equal the size of my own.

Now crawl back into that cozy politically correct hovel in your brain and take a nap, son.

Tanzio, did you create an alt?

[Tanzio]

- The OP has no credibility to score this fight since he's been one of a circle of what can only be considered racist dialogue if it were couched in the same language in reference to a minority, but we all know charges of racism these days are usually cheap shots and hardly worth a mention given the rest of the horrors going on in the world. Canelo's lived with it long before he became a boxer and rolls off him with no bother.

It is a nickname, Refuge4Bullsh!tRules. It has zero to do with his race, which is pretty clearly mixed (like mine), or his nationality, given I do business with Mexican citizens daily (including this morning), and I spend a considerable amount of time on business and pleasure, regularly (including a few days in Tijuana in the last month, a city and region that is in the process of rebirth economically, socially and culturally).

I love Mexico and the Mexican people in general, as I do Canada and canadians, no matter an individual's ancestry. The nickname is solely based on his hair and the size of his cabeza, which approaches but does not equal the size of my own.

Now crawl back into that cozy politically correct hovel in your brain and take a nap, son.

Tanzio, did you create an alt?

Are you crowbyrd's stepmother?

[Tanzio]

I liked both coming in as true fighters but deplored them having to fight in the corrupt Vegas jurisdiction, so really a draw was a good outcome for both. There will be a rematch down the road, and of course the usual assjulios are already screaming Canelo ducking, grass green and sky blue. And yeah, as I have maintained for years, the 10 point must system is something some clever suits came up with knowing the overall low functioning level of the predominant boxing fan to keep them off balance never understanding how to score a fight.

I had the fight even after 7 rounds, coincidentally the last round I gave Golovkin. I had Canelo sweeping the last 4 of 5 with the 11th being even. If I give Golovkin the even rounds, then it's a draw which is why I score even rounds to understand where the controversy comes from. Canelo pulled out as full a boxing tool kit as has ever been seen, alternately boxing and moving, laying and countering off the ropes, fighting at ring center, forcing Golovkin on the back foot numerous times with showy shots, even stumbling him once that I credit the timing of the punch coming as Golovkin feet got crossed up, which brings another point. Canelo kept Golovkin off balance or out of range for most of the fight, alternately either placing ideal shots in or rattling off some eye catching combos. Nobody has yet to exploit Golovkin so well, so in actuality, it was Canelo getting robbed as many thought if it went the distance as the money fighter he wins the decision.

Golovkin has the air let out of his MONSTER balloon, but keeps his Zero and titles. He's lucky in that they could have stacked the deck with two more of the deplorable Byrds to have consensus 118-110 cards. Vegas is the biggest hoax in boxing as we have seen over the years, flattering he who need not be savaged by me for the umpteenth time now. It was a good fight, not a great fight because neither could really hurt the other, but they sure got in some stingers. I'll let their teams make the next moves.

To address the intelligible part of your post; I disagree with your minority assessment of the fight. However, I respect your opinion; especially given my positions on Krushedner v SOGgy I and Pac v Ramming Speed I.

I saw it pretty much the opposite of you in the final 5 which pretty much covers our scoring discrepancy. I give credit for GingerHead coming on, but I feel that 3G met every challenge and surpassed it, especially in rounds 10 and 12.

I am very much interested in a rematch in May. I think that this rivalry has the earmarkings of the Pac v JMM series. I think that GingerHead may have the confidence to engage more in the next installment, which could lead to a victory through stoppage in a real war early on.

I do not think that this fight was as close as the two aforementioned contests, or for that matter 3G v Jacobs.

[Heretic]

It was a good fight, not a great fight because neither could really hurt the other

I feel like this sums up the whole post pretty well.

Pure garbage

[NateJR]

Not a robbery by any stretch of the imagination, although I know how people on this forum tend to work, so there will be alot of sour grapes. Great fight..

I'm not gonna bother participating in any threads pertaining to this fight from here on out. Tired of the crybabies on here.. I understand people being disappointed with the one card but just don't understand the talk about robbery or the outcome of the fight, because it's not warranted.

Then dont do it champ. And I know you already had your own grapes for GGG-Jacobs.

GGG must at least be better than you thought given your prediction

GGG vs. Jacobs wasn't a robbery and I didn't have sour grapes over that fight, it was very close. I just happened to score it for Jacobs. I saw the Canelo/Alvarez fight very close too, either 117-115 for GGG or a draw.

I can't help but laugh when people on here claim it was a robbery and claim to give Alvarez a draw you have to give him every benefit of doubt. These same people then post their scorecard and have 6+ rounds marked down as close rounds and give all of them but 1 to GGG. There were maybe 4 rounds the entire fight where there was one clear winner of the round. A draw wasn't a robbery in this fight, the only real controversy was the 118-110 scorecard from Byrd.

GGG is a good fighter I never debated that, but he's not the killer people on here make him out to be when he's in with other elite fighters. I honestly though Alvarez would sustain what he did in the first 3 rounds for at least 5 or 6 rounds, he didn't.. So I was wrong, life goes on lol. I mean most people on here thought GGG was going to walk through Canelo and knock him out, and hell GGG never clearly hurt him the whole fight.