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Wonder if it happens the fight will end up resembling Roy Jones v John Ruiz just a little bit?

joshj909 wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 13:43

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 13:21 How about 60-40 to the winner?

Most should accept that in matches where there's an argument about the A side unless they're not confident that they'll win. Spence/Crawford should be the same if they both think they're the A side.

Maybe he will go for that, he gives it all away anyway so it won't affect his pocket

I doubt he'll be giving £500mill away.

I don't see how anyone can be blaming Tyson Fury for any of it considering they already sent the Ukrainian's the contract and it's Usyk who hasn't signed anything. This keeps being a pattern on BoxRec that no matter who Tyson Fury fights people get angry with him and for the most asinine reasons.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 18:45 I don't see how anyone can be blaming Tyson Fury for any of it considering they already sent the Ukrainian's the contract and it's Usyk who hasn't signed anything. This keeps being a pattern on BoxRec that no matter who Tyson Fury fights people get angry with him and for the most asinine reasons.

That can’t be the case though can it?

According to Fury’s own camp they haven’t even finalised the venue or splits, so how is there going to be a contract?

It all boils down to one thing, all parties haven't agreed terms yet.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 18:45 I don't see how anyone can be blaming Tyson Fury for any of it considering they already sent the Ukrainian's the contract and it's Usyk who hasn't signed anything. This keeps being a pattern on BoxRec that no matter who Tyson Fury fights people get angry with him and for the most asinine reasons.

What does the contract say? Bob doesn’t even seem sure if the split will be 50/50. He’s saying now if it’s not Saudi (which they haven’t had an offer) and they go to Wembley then they’d have to look at it.

So the the split isn’t agreed, the location isn’t agreed and the date isn’t locked down. But Frank’s sent the contract so it’s on Usyk. What has he actually got to sign?!

maverick23 wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:07

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 18:45 I don't see how anyone can be blaming Tyson Fury for any of it considering they already sent the Ukrainian's the contract and it's Usyk who hasn't signed anything. This keeps being a pattern on BoxRec that no matter who Tyson Fury fights people get angry with him and for the most asinine reasons.

What does the contract say? Bob doesn’t even seem sure if the split will be 50/50. He’s saying now if it’s not Saudi (which they haven’t had an offer) and they go to Wembley then they’d have to look at it.

So the the split isn’t agreed, the location isn’t agreed and the date isn’t locked down. But Frank’s sent the contract so it’s on Usyk. What has he actually got to sign?!

A piece of paper that say, IOU 1 x fight, written in crayon.

Because there is such a thing as preliminary contracts binding the two men in agreement for fighting each other to begin with and once that is signed then they go into official contracts with all of the major details. Usyk has yet to sign on the dotted line a preliminary contract which states he's willing to fight Tyson Fury.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:28 Because there is such a thing as preliminary contracts binding the two men in agreement for fighting each other to begin with and once that is signed then they go into official contracts with all of the major details. Usyk has yet to sign on the dotted line a preliminary contract which states he's willing to fight Tyson Fury.

If you were given a contract where some of the terms seemed unfair to you, would you sign it?

Joshua and Uysk fights were made very easily. As was Bellew vs Uysk.

But Fury vs Joshua never came off and it would appear that Fury isn't mad keen on facing Uysk either. It didn't take Fury long to sign for the Wilder or Chisora I, II and III fights..

I think the casuals will give Fury a pass but most boxing insiders and fans can tell that he doesn't fancy his chances of beating Usyk.

I get the impression that Fury doesn't want the irrelevance of retirement but doesn't want to risk losing his Mystic, hence boxing Chisora again.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:28 Because there is such a thing as preliminary contracts binding the two men in agreement for fighting each other to begin with and once that is signed then they go into official contracts with all of the major details. Usyk has yet to sign on the dotted line a preliminary contract which states he's willing to fight Tyson Fury.

Yeah it’s weird how Joshua always manages to sign for fights with no issues whatsoever, but Fury ducks and dives constantly despite all his bluster.

big lennox wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:50

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:28 Because there is such a thing as preliminary contracts binding the two men in agreement for fighting each other to begin with and once that is signed then they go into official contracts with all of the major details. Usyk has yet to sign on the dotted line a preliminary contract which states he's willing to fight Tyson Fury.

If you were given a contract where some of the terms seemed unfair to you, would you sign it?

Joshua and Uysk fights were made very easily. As was Bellew vs Uysk.

But Fury vs Joshua never came off and it would appear that Fury isn't mad keen on facing Uysk either. It didn't take Fury long to sign for the Wilder or Chisora I, II and III fights..

I think the casuals will give Fury a pass but most boxing insiders and fans can tell that he doesn't fancy his chances of beating Usyk.

I get the impression that Fury doesn't want the irrelevance of retirement but doesn't want to risk losing his Mystic hence boxing Chisora again.

Maybe they happened so quickly because Chisora is a no-nonsense type who will fight anyone anytime anywhere, and because Wilder thought Tyson Fury didn't have it anymore and would be an easy win.

The impression I'm getting is that Tyson Fury sat around for a while hoping that the Ukrainian would sign the contract and when he didn't Tyson Fury went on vacation and told Warren to do whatever it takes to get it over the line and to let him know if and when the contract is signed, and so far it still hasn't happened because Usyk is playing games not signing a preliminary contract that has no specifics on it other than a formal agreement that the two men want to face each other.

Yeah Usyk is really known for playing contractual games, whereas Fury just gets on with business, totally no-nonsense.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:58 Yeah Usyk is really known for playing contractual games, whereas Fury just gets on with business, totally no-nonsense.

What makes you think that the Ukrainian is above playing games? This is quite literally the only time in the man's entire career where the entire world has their eyeballs on him because prior to the Joshua fights nobody but hardcore boxing fans knew who the hell he was.

As big of a star in boxing as Anthony Joshua was and still is the fact of the matter is that Anthony Joshua never crossed over into popular culture the way that Tyson Fury did so really as far as the general public is concerned Tyson Fury is the heavyweight champion of the world. Which means that Tyson Fury has all the wiggle room, because he is quite literally the A side when it comes to business.

Can you really name a time when the Ukrainian all on his own actually sold a major Pay-Per-View fight? I sure can't. The most money he ever made was the Joshua fights and that was strictly because of Anthony Joshua. He's wanting 50/50 with Tyson Fury who's even more relevant and well-known than Joshua on a global scale, when if it was 60/40 or even 70/30 it would be more money than he ever made in his entire life.

The only people acting as though Usyk is some sort of major superstar is the hardcore boxing fans when the reality is he's simply not. I think in a way it's all gone to his head because everybody wants the Undisputed title fight and he's in effect holding up everything for ransom because he's never been in this position in his entire life.

And please don't bring up the Undisputed title fights at Cruiserweight because nobody cares about that division except for hardcore boxing fans even though it's existed for over 30 years.

Well he missed the point, as per usual.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:59

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:58 Yeah Usyk is really known for playing contractual games, whereas Fury just gets on with business, totally no-nonsense.

What makes you think that the Ukrainian is above playing games? This is quite literally the only time in the man's entire career where the entire world has their eyeballs on him because prior to the Joshua fights nobody but hardcore boxing fans knew who the hell he was.

Boxer A: universally known for being a career road warrior who has faced everyone put in front of him with minimal fuss

Boxer B: a long history of ducks, fake retirements and shenanigans

Hmmm, I wonder who is most likely to be the problem

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:06

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:59

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:58 Yeah Usyk is really known for playing contractual games, whereas Fury just gets on with business, totally no-nonsense.

What makes you think that the Ukrainian is above playing games? This is quite literally the only time in the man's entire career where the entire world has their eyeballs on him because prior to the Joshua fights nobody but hardcore boxing fans knew who the hell he was.

Boxer A: universally known for being a career road warrior who has faced everyone put in front of him with minimal fuss

Boxer B: a long history of ducks, fake retirements and shenanigans

Hmmm, I wonder who is most likely to be the problem

Oh horseshit.

The way that you are portraying Tyson Fury is as if he some sort of pretender to the crown who is no good at all and hiding from a man nearly a hundred pounds lighter than himself. Some manufactured heavyweight who has to protect himself from some largely unknown quantity that only hardcore boxing fans are crazy over, who's best win is over a muscle bound emotionally fragile heavyweight who already got exposed.

Get real. Tyson Fury wouldn't have become two-time heavyweight champion and remain undefeated if he was as crappy as you want to make him out to be.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:09

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:06

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:59

What makes you think that the Ukrainian is above playing games? This is quite literally the only time in the man's entire career where the entire world has their eyeballs on him because prior to the Joshua fights nobody but hardcore boxing fans knew who the hell he was.

Boxer A: universally known for being a career road warrior who has faced everyone put in front of him with minimal fuss

Boxer B: a long history of ducks, fake retirements and shenanigans

Hmmm, I wonder who is most likely to be the problem

Oh horseshit.

The way that you are portraying Tyson Fury is as if he some sort of pretender to the crown who is no good at all and hiding from a man nearly a hundred pounds lighter than himself. Some manufactured heavyweight who has to protect himself from some largely unknown quantity that only hardcore boxing fans are crazy over, who's best win is over a muscle bound emotionally fragile heavyweight who already got exposed.

Get real. Tyson Fury wouldn't have become two-time heavyweight champion and remain undefeated if he was as crappy as you want to make him out to be.

Why do Fury fans get so defensive? Did I even mention his ability once?

Fury is an obvious major attraction in this matchup, so Usyk has to agree on the lower part of the split. If their bout fails to happen, Fury will continue to gather more money. Fury vs Joshua will be much bigger than Usyk vs Joshua, if it takes place. Usyk will probably make the most possible amount of money with the lower split against Fury than in any other matchup.

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:13 Fury is an obvious major attraction in this matchup, so Usyk has to agree on the lower part of the split. If their bout fails to happen, Fury will continue to gather more money. Fury vs Joshua will be much bigger than Usyk vs Joshua, if it takes place. Usyk will probably make the most possible amount of money with the lower split against Fury than in any other matchup.

Exactly the point to try to argue on your behalf that you are worth 50/50 is something that will only cause the fight to derail when we've been waiting for Undisputed for nearly 30 years.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:12

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:09

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:06

Boxer A: universally known for being a career road warrior who has faced everyone put in front of him with minimal fuss

Boxer B: a long history of ducks, fake retirements and shenanigans

Hmmm, I wonder who is most likely to be the problem

Oh horseshit.

The way that you are portraying Tyson Fury is as if he some sort of pretender to the crown who is no good at all and hiding from a man nearly a hundred pounds lighter than himself. Some manufactured heavyweight who has to protect himself from some largely unknown quantity that only hardcore boxing fans are crazy over, who's best win is over a muscle bound emotionally fragile heavyweight who already got exposed.

Get real. Tyson Fury wouldn't have become two-time heavyweight champion and remain undefeated if he was as crappy as you want to make him out to be.

Why do Fury fans get so defensive? Did I even mention his ability once?

fury fans are such snowflakes, get wound up so easily

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:59

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 19:58 Yeah Usyk is really known for playing contractual games, whereas Fury just gets on with business, totally no-nonsense.

What makes you think that the Ukrainian is above playing games?

Hmmm, maybe going on the road and winning all 4 CW belts away from home, fighting AJ wherever he was told too. His track record speaks for itself, doesn't talk shit, will fight anyone, anywhere. The guy is literally a Spartan warrior.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:21

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jan 2023, 20:13 Fury is an obvious major attraction in this matchup, so Usyk has to agree on the lower part of the split. If their bout fails to happen, Fury will continue to gather more money. Fury vs Joshua will be much bigger than Usyk vs Joshua, if it takes place. Usyk will probably make the most possible amount of money with the lower split against Fury than in any other matchup.

Exactly the point to try to argue on your behalf that you are worth 50/50 is something that will only cause the fight to derail when we've been waiting for Undisputed for nearly 30 years.

That's a very short foresight. A good businessman gotta see further.

There is a whiff of Riddick Bowe dumping his WBC belt in the bin, around Fury at the moment.

His last fight was against someone with 13 losses. That in itself tells its own story.