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Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 08:14**

joshj909 wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 04:02
samwbr wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 03:57 Opetaia was in Furys camp but has walked out apparently.

Reckon he roughed Fury up and he didn't like it?

I wouldn’t read too much into stuff leaked to the press before a major fight, likely to be mind games, false information, generating more interest etc..

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 08:20**

All just hype to built interest and create mind games, I reckon.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 08:23**

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:09
omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:07
jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 07:45
The promoters are the people listed by BoxRec as the promoters of the show.
Wow. Have you ever heard of Al Haymon? Have you ever seen Haymon listed by BoxRec as a promoter of any show?
No, because he's not a promoter.

I see. May I call the Saudis the puppet masters?

Maybe you think that the Saudis have no connection at all with the boxing shows, staged somewhere in the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula?

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:01**

big lennox wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:20 All just hype to built interest and create mind games, I reckon.

All the hype is in the title: there will be the first HW undisputed champion since Lewis !!!!!!!!!!!1
Some Opetaia news can not add (or distract) anything to this.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:08**

Kind of feel like Fury heading for a Buster Douglas style exit from professional boxing. Usyk in 3 with a total demolition. I bet he can’t miss him.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:09**

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:23
jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:09
omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:07
Wow. Have you ever heard of Al Haymon? Have you ever seen Haymon listed by BoxRec as a promoter of any show?
No, because he's not a promoter.
I see. May I call the Saudis the puppet masters? Maybe you think that the Saudis have no connection at all with the boxing shows, staged somewhere in the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula?

You can call them anything you want, sweetie. The Saudis and Haymon are connected, of course, but not promoters. There were court cases that prove Al's not a promoter.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:09**

polecateddy wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:08 Kind of feel like Fury heading for a Buster Douglas style exit from professional boxing. Usyk in 3 with a total demolition. I bet he can’t miss him.

I definitely think he's be career heaviest.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:10**

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:07
jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 07:45
omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 06:46 Promoters are the people who stage boxing shows.
The promoters are the people listed by BoxRec as the promoters of the show.
Wow. Have you ever heard of Al Haymon? Have you ever seen Haymon listed by BoxRec as a promoter of any show?

Al isn't a promoter though.

PBC is a show, they use TGB promotions

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:12**

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:09
polecateddy wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:08 Kind of feel like Fury heading for a Buster Douglas style exit from professional boxing. Usyk in 3 with a total demolition. I bet he can’t miss him.
I definitely think he's be career heaviest.

20 stone with stick arms and legs and a barrel body.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 09:38**

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:09
omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:23
jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:09

No, because he's not a promoter.
I see. May I call the Saudis the puppet masters? Maybe you think that the Saudis have no connection at all with the boxing shows, staged somewhere in the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula?
You can call them anything you want, sweetie. The Saudis and Haymon are connected, of course, but not promoters. There were court cases that prove Al's not a promoter.

I bet we will see more court cases with Haymon involved, moody.

He walks on the very edge of the law.
I'd say the Saudis will definitely create (buy) some promotional company, it is a great formal cover for international affairs.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 10:04**

As this gets closer, I'm leaning more towards a Fury victory, in an ugly mauling fight. I think it will be close.

I find it hard to envison Usyk stopping him, he doesn't really look for stoppages, especially at heavyweight., Of course, anything is possible.

I think Tyson is going to get himself in better shape, he's not an idiot, he knows that Usyk is too good for him to show up subpar and beat, especially after the Ngannou debacle.

Fury wins a split decision in a very unappealing fight, where he spends much of the fight leaning on an grappling with Usyk.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 11:17**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 10:04 As this gets closer, I'm leaning more towards a Fury victory, in an ugly mauling fight. I think it will be close.

I find it hard to envison Usyk stopping him, he doesn't really look for stoppages, especially at heavyweight., Of course, anything is possible.

I think Tyson is going to get himself in better shape, he's not an idiot, he knows that Usyk is too good for him to show up subpar and beat, especially after the Ngannou debacle.

Fury wins a split decision in a very unappealing fight, where he spends much of the fight leaning on an grappling with Usyk.

Yeah that's how I see it. In some ways the Ngannou fight might be the best thing to happen to Fury as it showed him he can't cut corners or underestimate fighters. I think he will come in very heavy and use his size and weight.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 11:18**

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 10:04 As this gets closer, I'm leaning more towards a Fury victory, in an ugly mauling fight. I think it will be close.

I find it hard to envison Usyk stopping him, he doesn't really look for stoppages, especially at heavyweight., Of course, anything is possible.

I think Tyson is going to get himself in better shape, he's not an idiot, he knows that Usyk is too good for him to show up subpar and beat, especially after the Ngannou debacle.

Fury wins a split decision in a very unappealing fight, where he spends much of the fight leaning on an grappling with Usyk.

As a poster I very much respect, can I ask you this. Some of his opponent's have commented that Usyk made them work 3 minutes per round or words to that effect. Do you think that will be the case in the Fury fight?

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 12:12**

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 11:18
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 10:04 As this gets closer, I'm leaning more towards a Fury victory, in an ugly mauling fight. I think it will be close.

I find it hard to envison Usyk stopping him, he doesn't really look for stoppages, especially at heavyweight., Of course, anything is possible.

I think Tyson is going to get himself in better shape, he's not an idiot, he knows that Usyk is too good for him to show up subpar and beat, especially after the Ngannou debacle.

Fury wins a split decision in a very unappealing fight, where he spends much of the fight leaning on an grappling with Usyk.
As a poster I very much respect, can I ask you this. Some of his opponent's have commented that Usyk made them work 3 minutes per round or words to that effect. Do you think that will be the case in the Fury fight?

I think Fury will do everything he can to stop Usyk from working, that will be a big part of his strategy. He will try to nick rounds by doing ugly work up close, and make it hard to make a case for Usyk.

I can see Usyk doing most of the cleaner work, but Fury nicking it, whilst not really landing many proper clean scoring punches.

I hope I am wrong, and it's a better fight than that, but that I think is the most likely scenario. There is a chance of course, that Fury is seriously in decline, and he gets beat easy, but i think he will be able to get in good enough shape, to make his physical advantages count.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 12:37**

Fury will use his weight to bully Usyk and stop him working, leaning on him on the ropes etc but whether he can do it for 12 rounds or Usyk figures this out and outboxes him from a distance ?

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 13:23**

Usyk dealt with the strength of AJ twice, and I'd imagine AJ is at the very least as strong as Fury .. in fact I'd expect him to be quite a bit physically stronger than Fury who is more about leaning and tying opponents up.

So whilst I, like almost everyone else, expect Fury to use those grabbing, tying up and leaning on tactics to hopefully wear Usyk out. I can't imagine Fury having too easy a time getting in distance to do it without shipping some punishment on the way in. Plus as Ngannou showed - if Fury isn't able to physically dominate an opponent then a lot of his game plan is nullified.

Usyk will be expecting Fury to grab and try tying him up to an ugly decision, so will no doubt be fully prepared.
Thing is .. there is only one way Fury can fight this to win, where as Usyk I feel will have at least a couple gameplans.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 13:36**

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:23 Usyk dealt with the strength of AJ twice, and I'd imagine AJ is at the very least as strong as Fury .. in fact I'd expect him to be quite a bit physically stronger than Fury who is more about leaning and tying opponents up.

So whilst I, like almost everyone else, expect Fury to use those grabbing, tying up and leaning on tactics to hopefully wear Usyk out. I can't imagine Fury having too easy a time getting in distance to do it without shipping some punishment on the way in. Plus as Ngannou showed - if Fury isn't able to physically dominate an opponent then a lot of his game plan is nullified.

Usyk will be expecting Fury to grab and try tying him up to an ugly decision, so will no doubt be fully prepared.
Thing is .. there is only one way Fury can fight this to win, where as Usyk I feel will have at least a couple gameplans.

AJ probably stronger but he didn't use his size and weight the same as Fury often does, against Usyk he was trying to box with him not rough him up. Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weight 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 14:09**

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:36 Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weight 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.

50 lbs.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 14:13**

What we are talking about here is a master boxer n Uysk. Punching up in weight. But not class.
If Uysk doesn’t go gung ho in opening 4 or 5 stanzas. I see a very tired Luke having a “long” night.

Just my take.

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 14:21**

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:36
tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:23 Usyk dealt with the strength of AJ twice, and I'd imagine AJ is at the very least as strong as Fury .. in fact I'd expect him to be quite a bit physically stronger than Fury who is more about leaning and tying opponents up.

So whilst I, like almost everyone else, expect Fury to use those grabbing, tying up and leaning on tactics to hopefully wear Usyk out. I can't imagine Fury having too easy a time getting in distance to do it without shipping some punishment on the way in. Plus as Ngannou showed - if Fury isn't able to physically dominate an opponent then a lot of his game plan is nullified.

Usyk will be expecting Fury to grab and try tying him up to an ugly decision, so will no doubt be fully prepared.
Thing is .. there is only one way Fury can fight this to win, where as Usyk I feel will have at least a couple gameplans.
AJ probably stronger but he didn't use his size and weight the same as Fury often does, against Usyk he was trying to box with him not rough him up. Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weight 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.

AJ caught punches coming in, and that very likely added to him standing off more. As I have said numerous times - out of Fury and Usyk, who has had the best preparation to fight the other?

Usyk has had 3 tough fights against big strong heavy handed heavyweights who were decently skilled too. Where as Fury has had 2 guys right at the end of their career who even at their best wouldn`t have beat the guys Usyk recently beat .. plus Fury had a near 40 yr old guy having his pro debut.

I just can`t see Usyk not being prepared for what we know Fury will try to do and we know he is skilled and fit enough to run circles around Fury based on his previous fights - whilst who has Fury fought to suggest he has the skills to counter Usyk if his grab and lean on tactic fail?

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 14:29**

Seems to be a lot of people with their hopes up that Fury is still a viable world class boxer. He looked pretty faded and under powered last time out. Is he not likely shot to pieces?

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 14:52**

polecateddy wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:12
jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:09
polecateddy wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:08 Kind of feel like Fury heading for a Buster Douglas style exit from professional boxing. Usyk in 3 with a total demolition. I bet he can’t miss him.
I definitely think he's be career heaviest.
20 stone with stick arms and legs and a barrel body.

Ozempic baby!

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 15:27**

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 14:09
Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:36 Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weigh 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.
50 lbs.

We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 15:31**

tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 14:21
Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:36
tonyevs wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:23 Usyk dealt with the strength of AJ twice, and I'd imagine AJ is at the very least as strong as Fury .. in fact I'd expect him to be quite a bit physically stronger than Fury who is more about leaning and tying opponents up.

So whilst I, like almost everyone else, expect Fury to use those grabbing, tying up and leaning on tactics to hopefully wear Usyk out. I can't imagine Fury having too easy a time getting in distance to do it without shipping some punishment on the way in. Plus as Ngannou showed - if Fury isn't able to physically dominate an opponent then a lot of his game plan is nullified.

Usyk will be expecting Fury to grab and try tying him up to an ugly decision, so will no doubt be fully prepared.
Thing is .. there is only one way Fury can fight this to win, where as Usyk I feel will have at least a couple gameplans.
AJ probably stronger but he didn't use his size and weight the same as Fury often does, against Usyk he was trying to box with him not rough him up. Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weight 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.
AJ caught punches coming in, and that very likely added to him standing off more. As I have said numerous times - out of Fury and Usyk, who has had the best preparation to fight the other?

Usyk has had 3 tough fights against big strong heavy handed heavyweights who were decently skilled too. Where as Fury has had 2 guys right at the end of their career who even at their best wouldn`t have beat the guys Usyk recently beat .. plus Fury had a near 40 yr old guy having his pro debut.

I just can`t see Usyk not being prepared for what we know Fury will try to do and we know he is skilled and fit enough to run circles around Fury based on his previous fights - whilst who has Fury fought to suggest he has the skills to counter Usyk if his grab and lean on tactic fail?

Sure, I'm not saying Usyk won't be prepared but I think Fury will learn from the Ngannou fight that he needs to prepare properly. I can't see Fury coming in out of shape. Of course if he's shot that will soon become evident but I have a feeling he will look to bully Usyk, he couldn't do that with Ngannou as he was a similar weight and stronger but a 50-60lb weight advantage is a lot. Hopefully it will be a good fight

Posted: **22 Jan 2024, 15:43**

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:27
omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 14:09
Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:36 Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weigh 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.
50 lbs.
We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

You compared Ngannou and Usyk, didn't you?

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