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A good fight is what everyone wants. I don`t think anyone will be too upset with whoever wins as long as both guys come in their best shape and give us all a good fight to watch.

What people will not be happy with is if Fury comes in his usual out of shape self and tries to steal a decision by spoiling and fouling all night; I don`t think anybody here would be in the least bit surprised if Fury tries that.

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:43

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:27

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 14:09
50 lbs.

We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

You compared Ngannou and Usyk, didn't you?

No Fury was 278 against Ngannou (well 277 3/4 ) and Ngannou was 272

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:27

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 14:09

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 13:36 Ngannou was almost 20 stone of muscle, Usyk will likely weigh 60lbs less than him so Fury's size will play a part I think.

50 lbs.

We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

It'll be more than that this time. Fury is going to be a big boy.

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 17:43

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:27

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 14:09
50 lbs.

We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

It'll be more than that this time. Fury is going to be a big boy.

do you think Fury will come in super heavy again? Reckless if he does

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 18:50

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 17:43

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:27

We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

It'll be more than that this time. Fury is going to be a big boy.

do you think Fury will come in super heavy again? Reckless if he does

There is coming heavy like he hasn't dieted or trained
Coming in light from dieting but without much training.
But also he could come in heavy after bulking up, being fully trained with plans to lie all over Usyk.

With Fury just looking at his weight doesn't give you the whole story.

If you take away probably two weeks of not doing anything post-Ngannou, you’re basically talking 3 months training including tapering at the end, the Christmas period and a beach holiday! He’s an ageing 35 (and a half) year old who physically is probably far from his peak. I think people are getting very carried away that he’ll be any good at all in this fight.

My view is there are only two ways that Fury wins this. Exploiting Usyk's body or effectively using his size to spoil. He isn't going to outbox or out-move Usyk and I don't think he will have the power to trouble his chin either. I don't think Fury has shown his willingness to fight like that of late even though he could theoretically spoil even if he is fat and out of shape with slower reactions etc so it will be interesting to see how it goes.

polecateddy wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 06:52 He’s [Fury] an ageing 35 (and a half) year old who physically is probably far from his peak.

Usyk is 37 and his boxing style is extremely high energy-intensive.

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:00

polecateddy wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 06:52 He’s [Fury] an ageing 35 (and a half) year old who physically is probably far from his peak.

Usyk is 37 and his boxing style is extremely high energy-intensive.

Usyk lives the life though, far more professional than Fury who balloons in weight. You just know Usyk doesn't cut corners, not the same can be said of Fury so Usyk may be older but I reckon he's in better shape.

Controversial wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:09

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:00

polecateddy wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 06:52 He’s [Fury] an ageing 35 (and a half) year old who physically is probably far from his peak.

Usyk is 37 and his boxing style is extremely high energy-intensive.

Usyk lives the life though, far more professional than Fury who balloons in weight. You just know Usyk doesn't cut corners, not the same can be said of Fury so Usyk may be older but I reckon he's in better shape.

Usyk will be in better shape by miles. Physiologically athletes in their mid to late 30’s maintain much better with consistent training. A binge eating, and a stop-start training approach usually means you deteriorate quicker and can’t make the ground back. People seem pretty blind. Fury didn’t really look like any sort of athlete last time out, and demonstrated next to no punching power. Physically he just looks like he’s turning into his dad!

Controversial wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:09

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:00

polecateddy wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 06:52 He’s [Fury] an ageing 35 (and a half) year old who physically is probably far from his peak.

Usyk is 37 and his boxing style is extremely high energy-intensive.

Usyk lives the life though, far more professional than Fury who balloons in weight. You just know Usyk doesn't cut corners, not the same can be said of Fury so Usyk may be older but I reckon he's in better shape.

Yes, very likely Usyk will be in better shape than Fury, but to what extent? Styles make fights, Usyk's boxing style is extremely, extraordinary energy-intensive, 37 is 37. Miracles do happen in medicine, but very rarely.
Is Usyk The Exception? may be.

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:39

Controversial wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:09

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:00
Usyk is 37 and his boxing style is extremely high energy-intensive.

Usyk lives the life though, far more professional than Fury who balloons in weight. You just know Usyk doesn't cut corners, not the same can be said of Fury so Usyk may be older but I reckon he's in better shape.

Yes, very likely Usyk will be in better shape than Fury, but to what extent? Styles make fights, Usyk's boxing style is extremely, extraordinary energy-intensive, 37 is 37. Miracles do happen in medicine, but very rarely.
Is Usyk The Ecxeption? may be.

Usyk form is totally fine and he’s actually been competing properly at top level, not fighting these plodders and debutants. I think Fury is just going to get stopped and maybe even early.

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:39

Controversial wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:09

omalley wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 08:00
Usyk is 37 and his boxing style is extremely high energy-intensive.

Usyk lives the life though, far more professional than Fury who balloons in weight. You just know Usyk doesn't cut corners, not the same can be said of Fury so Usyk may be older but I reckon he's in better shape.

Yes, very likely Usyk will be in better shape than Fury, but to what extent? Styles make fights, Usyk's boxing style is extremely, extraordinary energy-intensive, 37 is 37. Miracles do happen in medicine, but very rarely.
Is Usyk The Exception? may be.

Usyk isn't extraordinary energy intensive though is he .. he is no heavyweight PacMan by any stretch of the imagination.
Usyk notoriously starts slow to gauge his opponent, and then once settled he boxes to keep his opponent from setting themselves .. Usyk like his compatriot Loma is about educated boxing to apply pressure .. not a high energy buzz-saw type fighter.

As someone said on an earlier page. If Fury expects to be able to just plod in to lean all over Usyk then he will very likely be tasting some hefty punches .. his chin looked even more suspect last time out, so it's a real gamble against a guy who made a big young strong heavyweight quit from a jab.

tonyevs wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 09:19 Usyk isn't extraordinary energy intensive though is he

I think he is, Usyk style is extraordinary energy intensive (energy consuming). He is moving every second of every round. And, of course, he is throwing and landing punches https://shorturl.at/epzQV
Speaking of movement, he is always fast. He neither starts slow nor ends slow.
Yes there is a clear resemblance to Lomachenko, and this is amazing for a HW boxer.
But now he is 37.

Does anyone think this is actually going to happen? I'd bet on a Fury excuse and delay tactic as by far the most likely scenario.

willardx wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 10:32 Does anyone think this is actually going to happen? I'd bet on a Fury excuse and delay tactic as by far the most likely scenario.

With the money Saudi are offering and what they’re doing, I don’t think anyone’s pulling out of anything for a while.

That day of reckoning card, was short notice and not a single pull out.

Money talks

it definitely does, they'll be climbing in even if injured

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 11:49 it definitely does, they'll be climbing in even if injured

100%

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 18:50

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 17:43

Controversial wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 15:27

We will see. They were 278 and 221 in their last fights so that's 57lbs difference

It'll be more than that this time. Fury is going to be a big boy.

do you think Fury will come in super heavy again? Reckless if he does

I do. He's never been in great shape and IMO motivation will be a problem. Money makes you soft and all that.

jwfg wrote: ↑23 Jan 2024, 17:21

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 18:50

jwfg wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 17:43

It'll be more than that this time. Fury is going to be a big boy.

do you think Fury will come in super heavy again? Reckless if he does

I do. He's never been in great shape and IMO motivation will be a problem. Money makes you soft and all that.

Indeed it does. I have no idea if he is done or not, he is erratic. As cliched as it sounds, I hope the best version of him fights.
I think it is also a testament to how Davidson is well regarded that Tyson has never bad mouthed him, he had bad mouthed most people.

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:01

big lennox wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:20 All just hype to built interest and create mind games, I reckon.

All the hype is in the title: there will be the first HW undisputed champion since Lewis !!!!!!!!!!!1
Some Opetaia news can not add (or distract) anything to this.

I agree. It is a mouthwatering fight. I also don't think Opetaia will have flown all the way from Australia to Saudi to spar just five rounds. I suspect they sparred tons of rounds to help each other out, and it is just that: sparring.

big lennox wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 05:29

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:01

big lennox wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 08:20 All just hype to built interest and create mind games, I reckon.

All the hype is in the title: there will be the first HW undisputed champion since Lewis !!!!!!!!!!!1
Some Opetaia news can not add (or distract) anything to this.

I agree. It is a mouthwatering fight. I also don't think Opetaia will have flown all the way from Australia to Saudi to spar just five rounds. I suspect they sparred tons of rounds to help each other out, and it is just that: sparring.

Opetaia doesn’t really reap any benefits from sparring Fury just now, he has his own contest to prepare for and Fury isn’t good sparring in prep for Briedis.
Fury has lost out, what a great sparring partner Opetaia is for someone preparing to box Usyk.

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 19:02

big lennox wrote: ↑24 Jan 2024, 05:29

omalley wrote: ↑22 Jan 2024, 09:01
All the hype is in the title: there will be the first HW undisputed champion since Lewis !!!!!!!!!!!1
Some Opetaia news can not add (or distract) anything to this.

I agree. It is a mouthwatering fight. I also don't think Opetaia will have flown all the way from Australia to Saudi to spar just five rounds. I suspect they sparred tons of rounds to help each other out, and it is just that: sparring.

Opetaia doesn’t really reap any benefits from sparring Fury just now, he has his own contest to prepare for and Fury isn’t good sparring in prep for Briedis.
Fury has lost out, what a great sparring partner Opetaia is for someone preparing to box Usyk.

Agreed , would'nt be suprised to hear after there was some sort of falling out or disagreement

John Fury dissing Froch (With hard facts)