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squiggy wrote: ↑27 Mar 2021, 22:43

computerrank wrote: ↑25 Mar 2021, 02:51

jujigatame wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021, 18:54 Has "winner over loser" been done away with? I see Rene Alvarado is now ranked above Roger Gutierrez even though Gutierrez won their recent fight in an upset.

A bug within instant updates sometimes ignores the rule. I am chasing it ...

Hmm. I thought, poking around, that this wasn't a bug but a feature of the way scores are currently tabulated. Just as a for instance, Vilomar Fernandez's numbers only increase from 2 to 11 for his 1978 win over Alexis Arguello, while the loss only brings Arguello down from 214 to 190. I've noticed quite a few other instances like this, I just name this one because it's the one I've just now seen.

MontyCircus wrote: ↑29 Mar 2021, 00:43 This Saturday night, April 3rd

Jamel Herring vs. Carl Frampton
Two "5-star" fighters...but listed as a 4-star fight?

Murodjon Akhmadaliev vs. Ryosuke Iwasa
A "4-star" fighter against a "4½-star" fighter...but listed as a "3-star" fight?

MontyCircus wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 04:40 Then why is Jamel Herring vs. Carl Frampton (two "5-star" fighters), now a "zero-star" fight?

mike1989 wrote: ↑30 Mar 2021, 14:22 Listen very badly with no birthdates. Why does Wikipedia have the right to disclose personal data and Boxrek does not? Can I make an electronic agreement for the distribution of personal data when creating a profile on Boxrek ???

pugilisticspecialist wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 15:18 It looks like Adamek is done with the sport, he should be assigned cruiserweight.
I think he'll be right near the top of the all-time cruiserweight rankings.

jujigatame wrote: ↑16 Apr 2021, 17:50 What's the deal with Uzcategui's rating? Right now he's got about 20 points at LHW, but if you click on his profile, his last bout shows only about 9 points.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/571528

jujigatame wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 12:41 Is the plan still to offer the old-style ratings as a toggle/choice on the website? I don't want to be overly negative because I think you generally do an admirable job with the ratings, but the old-style ratings were just so much easier to examine and understand at a glance. I do miss them.

jujigatame wrote: ↑17 Apr 2021, 10:59 So suddenly in a couple of months he will have a big rating drop?

MontyCircus wrote: ↑28 Apr 2021, 02:40 This Saturday, May 1

Omar Figueroa vs. Abel Ramos

Two "4½-star" fighters, showing as a "no-star" fight.

Manrae wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 12:01 Have the annual ratings been updated to reflect any changes to the algorithm?

How did Josh Taylor end up #4 at 140lbs? Would that suggest, as of right now, that a win over Jose Zepeda would rank higher over a win over Taylor?

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:11

Manrae wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 12:01 Have the annual ratings been updated to reflect any changes to the algorithm?

How did Josh Taylor end up #4 at 140lbs? Would that suggest, as of right now, that a win over Jose Zepeda would rank higher over a win over Taylor?

What year of the annual ratings are you talking about, please?

I have updated the annual ratings now - including the 2020 annual ratings - pros and amateurs ...

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:12

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:11

Manrae wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 12:01 Have the annual ratings been updated to reflect any changes to the algorithm?

How did Josh Taylor end up #4 at 140lbs? Would that suggest, as of right now, that a win over Jose Zepeda would rank higher over a win over Taylor?

What year of the annual ratings are you talking about, please?

I have updated the annual ratings now - including the 2020 annual ratings - pros and amateurs ...

Manrae wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 01:52

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:12

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:11 What year of the annual ratings are you talking about, please?

I have updated the annual ratings now - including the 2020 annual ratings - pros and amateurs ...

Thanks a lot

Concerning Josh Taylor's current rank, can you break down how he fell to #4? Was it because of his stay-busy defense against a no-name contender?

Also, would it mean that a win against 3# Jose Zepeda is more valuable, currently?

computerrank wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:21

Manrae wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 01:52

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:12

Thanks a lot

Concerning Josh Taylor's current rank, can you break down how he fell to #4? Was it because of his stay-busy defense against a no-name contender?

Also, would it mean that a win against 3# Jose Zepeda is more valuable, currently?

Josh Taylor's MD against Prograis was only in scope for 18 month due to the Boxrec winner-above-loser rule. Now his last stay-busy bout is not enough to keep his old rating.

But the winner of the scheduled bout Taylor vs Ramirez will be the new #1, in case of a draw Ramirez will be #1.

Regarding the value of a win against Zapeda - a win of whom?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:24

computerrank wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:21

Manrae wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 01:52
Thanks a lot

Concerning Josh Taylor's current rank, can you break down how he fell to #4? Was it because of his stay-busy defense against a no-name contender?

Also, would it mean that a win against 3# Jose Zepeda is more valuable, currently?

Josh Taylor's MD against Prograis was only in scope for 18 month due to the Boxrec winner-above-loser rule. Now his last stay-busy bout is not enough to keep his old rating.

But the winner of the scheduled bout Taylor vs Ramirez will be the new #1, in case of a draw Ramirez will be #1.

Regarding the value of a win against Zapeda - a win of whom?

zepada has more points than taylor, so anyone beating zeppy would be worth more than them beating taylor, wouldnt it

computerrank wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 06:00

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:24

computerrank wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:21 Josh Taylor's MD against Prograis was only in scope for 18 month due to the Boxrec winner-above-loser rule. Now his last stay-busy bout is not enough to keep his old rating.

But the winner of the scheduled bout Taylor vs Ramirez will be the new #1, in case of a draw Ramirez will be #1.

Regarding the value of a win against Zapeda - a win of whom?

zepada has more points than taylor, so anyone beating zeppy would be worth more than them beating taylor, wouldnt it

No that is no true. The new ratings do not only depend on the current rating, but they depend on the complete structure of the opponents' records. So for example, Pedraza stopping Zepeda would get him to 172 points, while stopping Taylor would get him to 185.7 points. Linear thinking is not approriate to Whole-History Ratings.

computerrank wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:21

Manrae wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 01:52

computerrank wrote: ↑30 Apr 2021, 14:12

Thanks a lot

Concerning Josh Taylor's current rank, can you break down how he fell to #4? Was it because of his stay-busy defense against a no-name contender?

Also, would it mean that a win against 3# Jose Zepeda is more valuable, currently?

Josh Taylor's MD against Prograis was only in scope for 18 month due to the Boxrec winner-above-loser rule. Now his last stay-busy bout is not enough to keep his old rating.

But the winner of the scheduled bout Taylor vs Ramirez will be the new #1, in case of a draw Ramirez will be #1.

Regarding the value of a win against Zapeda - a win of whom?

Manrae wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 21:08

computerrank wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 05:21

Manrae wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 01:52
Thanks a lot

Concerning Josh Taylor's current rank, can you break down how he fell to #4? Was it because of his stay-busy defense against a no-name contender?

Also, would it mean that a win against 3# Jose Zepeda is more valuable, currently?

Josh Taylor's MD against Prograis was only in scope for 18 month due to the Boxrec winner-above-loser rule. Now his last stay-busy bout is not enough to keep his old rating.

But the winner of the scheduled bout Taylor vs Ramirez will be the new #1, in case of a draw Ramirez will be #1.

Regarding the value of a win against Zapeda - a win of whom?

I see. It's a bit confusing, but your Pedraza example made me curious... would Pedraza earn less for defeating Zepeda because they had already fought before?

If so, how would a stoppage win over Zepeda or Taylor affect a neutral opponent, like for example
Rikki Naito?
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/580433