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Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:36
by banjo
I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:39
by scurlaruntings
banjo wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
Pinto would have KO'ed Hatton had they fought instead of the late shenanigans that ensued.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:41
by DG.
banjo wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
Rumour has it that Hugh Johnson wants KP bottom, not comfirmed thiough, but likely.
I think he us sayoing that Witter ducked him?
Well, lets have the Hatton roll of shame, Mosley - Cotto - Judah - Witter - Corley - Urkal,
All wanted a piece of Hatton, Hatton say no no no!
DD
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:42
by banjo
scurlaruntings wrote:banjo wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
Pinto would have KO'ed Hatton had they fought instead of the late shenanigans that ensued.
Pinto was garbage, built a fearsome looking record over a bunch of south american smackheads.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:42
by DG.
scurlaruntings wrote:banjo wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
Pinto would have KO'ed Hatton had they fought instead of the late shenanigans that ensued.
Just another attempt at Fwanky Barstwesrd to get Junior bumped off.
Pinto would have knocked out Hatton in 2!
Maybe garbage, but would have done to Hatton what Prescott did to Khan!
DD
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:46
by banjo
Witter v Hatton was far more relevant than Hatton v Pinto.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:46
by mickey1975
witter baltantly ducked pinto after john ingle watched a video of him and said something along the lines of "it was complete and utter destruction of everyone".it was well quoted at the time
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 12:56
by scurlaruntings
banjo wrote:Witter v Hatton was far more relevant than Hatton v Pinto.
The belt was vacant. Hatton was the WBO mandatory twice. Both times the fights never came off. The first time against an unbeaten Corley he gave up his mandatory position to defend the WBU instead..
The second time Warren accused Pinto of pulling out. Guess he may have watched the tapes and realised Pinto wasnt a complete cabbage. A rangy puncher vs stocky Ricky? Not a good match..
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 15:38
by opticald
mickey1975 wrote:witter baltantly ducked pinto after john ingle watched a video of him and said something along the lines of "it was complete and utter destruction of everyone".it was well quoted at the time
I never saw that quote and I've been around boxing boards since 2002.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 15:39
by opticald
scurlaruntings wrote:banjo wrote:Witter v Hatton was far more relevant than Hatton v Pinto.
The belt was vacant. Hatton was the WBO mandatory twice. Both times the fights never came off. The first time against an unbeaten Corley he gave up his mandatory position to defend the WBU instead..
The second time Warren accused Pinto of pulling out. Guess he may have watched the tapes and realised Pinto wasnt a complete cabbage. A rangy puncher vs stocky Ricky? Not a good match..
Corley would definitely have beaten Hatton.
Pinto would have given him a tough time and probably stopped him.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 15:54
by mickey1975
opticald wrote:mickey1975 wrote:witter baltantly ducked pinto after john ingle watched a video of him and said something along the lines of "it was complete and utter destruction of everyone".it was well quoted at the time
I never saw that quote and I've been around boxing boards since 2002.
boxing news,i will dig it out
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 15:55
by Dioufy
I would rather be sparked cold by the best fighter in the world than quit against a prospect.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 16:44
by DG.
Dioufy wrote:I would rather be sparked cold by the best fighter in the world than quit against a prospect.
Would you?
I would rather win!
ALSO, Witter was injured and saved to see another day because he was injured, also being knocked COLD may have an impact on later life.
Alexander/Bradley etc would ko Hatton, and quick!
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 16:46
by DG.
mickey1975 wrote:opticald wrote:mickey1975 wrote:witter baltantly ducked pinto after john ingle watched a video of him and said something along the lines of "it was complete and utter destruction of everyone".it was well quoted at the time
I never saw that quote and I've been around boxing boards since 2002.
boxing news,i will dig it out
Most likely put out by SN to discredit Witter and protect Hatton!
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 16:51
by Asterix
mickey1975 wrote:opticald wrote:mickey1975 wrote:witter baltantly ducked pinto after john ingle watched a video of him and said something along the lines of "it was complete and utter destruction of everyone".it was well quoted at the time
I never saw that quote and I've been around boxing boards since 2002.
boxing news,i will dig it out
Here's an article possibly referring to what you're talking about:
First, however, Witter must see off the highly-rated Pinto, who has won all 18 of his professional bouts, with 16 of those victories coming inside the distance.
"My opponent's dangerous and I won't be taking him lightly," said Witter.
"He's been knocking everyone over and apparently he did everything there was to do in the amateurs.
"So he's coming through the ranks, but I'm going be the one to stop him, and I'll be happy to do it."
Witter's co-trainer John Ingle even believes Pinto poses a bigger threat to his charge than Hatton ever would.
"We've seen a tape of Pinto and it's just like a knockout compilation video," said Ingle.
"It's just terror, mayhem and destruction every time he goes out there.
"I've said to Junior this is more of a fight he could lose than against Ricky Hatton."
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... itter.html
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 19:18
by opticald
mickey1975 wrote:opticald wrote:mickey1975 wrote:witter baltantly ducked pinto after john ingle watched a video of him and said something along the lines of "it was complete and utter destruction of everyone".it was well quoted at the time
I never saw that quote and I've been around boxing boards since 2002.
boxing news,i will dig it out
Would be interesting to read mate.. maybe you could scan it. I'm not saying I doubt you, just that I didn't hear it thats all!!
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 19:21
by opticald
Well, that doesn't mean they ducked Pinto. Pinto was looking very destructive though in those times. I applauded Cotto for taking him on. Tall, rangy and with KO power... not the best match up. My mouth was watering at the prospect of Hatton fighting him because I thought he had a real chance of beating Hatton. Whether Witter ducked him or not is up to question. I don't think he did, but I know Witter turned down a chance to fight Cotto on short notice (Torres then almost did a complete job on Cotto). THAT was a bad move by Witter. And of course, recently turning down the Khan fight was very poor judgement.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 19:23
by HughJohnson
banjo wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
For once in his tenure on this board DG is right...Witter was ment to fight Pinto for the WBO i think and like a teenager with his underage girlfriend he pulled out. Leaving Fwanky boy to pull the plug on his time with the quitter.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 19:30
by HughJohnson
DG. wrote:banjo wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why HJ has posted a picture of Kelson Pinto, I thought he disappeared into obscurity after Cotto pulverised him.
Rumour has it that Hugh Johnson wants KP bottom, not comfirmed thiough, but likely.
I think he us sayoing that Witter ducked him?
Well, lets have the Hatton roll of shame, Mosley - Cotto - Judah - Witter - Corley - Urkal,
All wanted a piece of Hatton, Hatton say no no no!
DD
if i was to do a rollcall of every fighter Witter didnt fight it would be longer and more pathetic...Remember DG, Hatton is a hitter not a quitter.
Now the interesting thing is that once.....along time ago, i made a remark about your own sexual preference DG and was given a warning.....will you be getting one...Me say , no,no,no
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 19:42
by HughJohnson
DG. wrote:Dioufy wrote:I would rather be sparked cold by the best fighter in the world than quit against a prospect.
Would you?
I would rather win!
ALSO, Witter was injured and saved to see another day because he was injured, also being knocked COLD may have an impact on later life.
Alexander/Bradley etc would ko Hatton, and quick!
If junior is worried about the repercusions in later life...he picked the wrong sport.
Dont just leave it Bradley and Alexander....go the whole hog if going anywhere. Judah,Harris,Ndou,Lynes,Corley,Kotelnic,Hall,Kinuthia(?)...etc...pretty much everyone Witter has fought would kO Hatton in 3 rounds wouldnt they???.
You know what the worst thing is?...Ive called Junior some pretty horrible names on this thread just to wind you and your band of cheerleaders right up...and as a person...Junior seems pretty sound...so im going to leave this thread well alone from now on.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 19:43
by opticald
Wow, just watched Pinto vs Cotto on youtube. Pinto was actually very impressive. I think he wouldhave given Witter a VERY tough fight. Hatton would have been in trouble. He beat Cotto in the amateurs remember.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 20:29
by states
And then lost against him in the pro's. And then got beat by Vince Phillips (albeit controversially, if I remember. Headclash, or something?), after beating a two nobodies. And then retired. But yeah, he'd have smashed Hatton.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 20:47
by opticald
states wrote:And then lost against him in the pro's. And then got beat by Vince Phillips (albeit controversially, if I remember. Headclash, or something?), after beating a two nobodies. And then retired. But yeah, he'd have smashed Hatton.
Pinto was warming up into that fight and comfortably won the round just before it was stopped.
Do I need to make a list of the people who have shook up Hatton again, including 135 pound Lazcano?
Pinto did very well against Cotto imo, and was outboxing him from range and had Cotto a bit pensive to move in at times. Pinto wasn't afraid to go to war either. Hatton would have taken a very big hiding from that version of Cotto and did well to stay away.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 21:05
by states
Do I need to mention that Hatton walked through everything Tszyu threw at him? And that Cotto, at 140, had his problems with Torres, and Malignaggi?
Hatton is no all time great. But don't run down everything he's done, and the fights he didn't take, in an attempt to make Witter look better than he was. It's tiresome.
Re: Junior Witter/Devon Alexander
Posted: 19 Aug 2009, 22:14
by opticald
states wrote:Do I need to mention that Hatton walked through everything Tszyu threw at him? And that Cotto, at 140, had his problems with Torres, and Malignaggi?
Hatton is no all time great. But don't run down everything he's done, and the fights he didn't take, in an attempt to make Witter look better than he was. It's tiresome.
Where did I mention Witter? Witter did himself no favours in his career.
The version of Tszyu that Hatton beat had 3 rounds in two years and was coming off a VERY serious shoulder injury. He was overrated anyway, Vince Phillips did him when he was in his prime.
As for Cotto vs Hatton at 140, only a fool would pick Hatton in that one.