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Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:47
by Rexob
keithmoonhangover wrote:Fury on his game beats AJ. If he sticks his chin out he'll get knocked out. The fight could go either way.
Fury's chin will be as back as far as the cheapest seats in the arena! Joshua isn't hitting it whatever he try's.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:48
by Andrew
Horse wrote:cmdenny wrote:Happy for AJ. Real shame the IBF was stripped off Fury as makes it a bit empty. I was bouncing round room when Fury won it. This was a little of an anti climax compared to Fury's win, but still great to see.
Worth pointing out that a few fights ago people were saying AJ was only fighting can's (yeah I know Martin was no World Beater) but now he's just won a share of the WChampionship (albeit in unsatisfactory circumstances with IBF).
I have Heavies as:
1) Fury
2) AJ
3) Povetkin (could take out AJ, but the reach difference is significant).
4) Wilder
5) WK (retire at top after Fury fight either way)
NB - am not sure how to rate Ortiz as 37 now and fringe of being in WC mix.
Eddie Hearn's speech just now made me want to be sick in my mouth.
No way Joshua deserves to be above Klitschko, Wilder or Povetkin.
Joshua can just about sneak into the top 10, but that is about it.
Martin is not a proven fighter. Beating him does not show that Joshua is world class.
Top 5 for me
1 Fury
2 Wlad
3 Povetkin
4 Ortiz
5 Wilder
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:48
by Neil Gee
Haye desperately wants this fight.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:48
by Horse
gilgamesh wrote:You guys severely overrate Fury. He ain't sh*t and his reign ain't gonna last.
Fury beat Klitschko. Joshua beat Martin.
Joshua ain't s**t.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:48
by gilgamesh
expe wrote:gilgamesh wrote:Rexob wrote:
Joshua won't get the chance not skillfull enough!
You guys severely overrate Fury. He ain't sh*t and his reign ain't gonna last.
He went to Germany and outboxed Klitschko in his own backyard, if he "ain't poo", then either there isn't a heavyweight on the planet that's close to decent and hasn't been for 10 years, or you know eff all about boxing.
Wlad didn't fight. Fury's win there means very little to me.
If he wins the rematch against a Wladimir that actually throws punches I'll be more impressed with him. But basically he was just the guy in the ring the night that Wlad decided to hand his title to somebody.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:49
by lefty
Horse wrote:lefty wrote:I'd back Joshua against Fury I have to say. I've felt that for awhile though. My reasoning being that whilst Fury is definietly better in some areas ie Speed of foot and maybe hand speed, I feel that Fury lacks the power to really keep Joshua at bay and AJ would be willing to take more risks than Klitschko was to land his power shots. Just my personal take on it though.
Fury could knock Joshua out.
Fury not being able to punch is a nonsense.
Not saying he can't punch at all but for a guy of his size and weight he doesnt punch that hard. I think he should have stopped Klitschko if he did.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:49
by Horse
Boxerbeetle wrote:Did I misinterpret your post? What did you mean then?
Use basic English and interpret it.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:49
by deadpan
I'm waiting for a stoic Des Lynam.
Forever.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:50
by Neil Gee
Are there any more fights on?
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:50
by Horse
lefty wrote:Not saying he can't punch at all but for a guy of his size and weight he doesnt punch that hard. I think he should have stopped Klitschko if he did.
Fury does punch that hard for a man his size.
Who has hit harder at his size?
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:50
by ewenhay
Who electrocuted David Haye?
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:51
by lefty
Horse wrote:lefty wrote:Not saying he can't punch at all but for a guy of his size and weight he doesnt punch that hard. I think he should have stopped Klitschko if he did.
Fury does punch that hard for a man his size.
Who has hit harder at his size?
Joshua, Klitschko, Ortiz, Haye, etc.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:51
by expe
gilgamesh wrote:expe wrote:gilgamesh wrote:
You guys severely overrate Fury. He ain't sh*t and his reign ain't gonna last.
He went to Germany and outboxed Klitschko in his own backyard, if he "ain't poo", then either there isn't a heavyweight on the planet that's close to decent and hasn't been for 10 years, or you know eff all about boxing.
Wlad didn't fight. Fury's win there means very little to me.
If he wins the rematch against a Wladimir that actually throws punches I'll be more impressed with him. But basically he was just the guy in the ring the night that Wlad decided to hand his title to somebody.
Definitely the latter of the two options in my post then.
If you can't see or understand why Wlad was so inactive in that fight then I don't know really know what to say.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:52
by gilgamesh
Neil Gee wrote:Haye desperately wants this fight.
He might get it. Wouldn't be too hard for Joshua I don't figure. I don't really know why anybody would bother scheduling a big fight with David "I get injured checking the mail" Haye
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:52
by Horse
Martin was the weakest world champion in boxing.
Joshua isn't much better than that now. He's a paper champion without a single world level win to his name.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:52
by reggaereggae
Lol at Ed Robinson's bizarre sh1t eating grin and oddly laughing as he delivers his high pitched, bland questions!
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:52
by Horse
lefty wrote:Joshua, Klitschko, Ortiz, Haye, etc.
They're not his size.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:53
by lillywhite14
Charles Martin is clearly thinking about the payday during that post fight interview...cracking a smile or two. Don't spend it all at once!
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:53
by ShadrachSimmo
Horse wrote:gilgamesh wrote:You guys severely overrate Fury. He ain't sh*t and his reign ain't gonna last.
Fury beat Klitschko. Joshua beat Martin.
Joshua ain't s**t.
Yes.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:53
by keithmoonhangover
Horse wrote:gilgamesh wrote:You guys severely overrate Fury. He ain't sh*t and his reign ain't gonna last.
Fury beat Klitschko. Joshua beat Martin.
Joshua ain't s**t.
Horse. Come on, be reasonable. Joshua punches hard, he has a chance against Fury, can you not see that he has a chance?
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:54
by gilgamesh
expe wrote:gilgamesh wrote:expe wrote:
He went to Germany and outboxed Klitschko in his own backyard, if he "ain't poo", then either there isn't a heavyweight on the planet that's close to decent and hasn't been for 10 years, or you know eff all about boxing.
Wlad didn't fight. Fury's win there means very little to me.
If he wins the rematch against a Wladimir that actually throws punches I'll be more impressed with him. But basically he was just the guy in the ring the night that Wlad decided to hand his title to somebody.
Definitely the latter of the two options in my post then.
If you can't see or understand why Wlad was so inactive in that fight then I don't know really know what to say.
Don't act like you saw something I didn't. I know Boxing. I'm a die hard fan and have watched it for a long time. Nothing Fury did in that ring should've kept Wlad from fighting. There were times when Fury was wide open, hands down, begging to be hit, and Wlad just stood there staring at him.
He didn't even try.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:54
by Tangerine
there is a point to be made here about these counts,a lot of these yanks are missing the count when they come here.are they used to ref turning his head instructing a fighter to a neutral corner then returning to face the fighter and the count is suddenly way past what you had in your head.Im not saying that happened here but it should be looked at.so many fighters getting stopped like this,at the very least it will prevent some bs rematches from ever happening again.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:54
by Boxerbeetle
Horse wrote:Boxerbeetle wrote:Did I misinterpret your post? What did you mean then?
Use basic English and interpret it.
Oddly enough, I have a degree in English Literature so that is usually one of my strengths. But I can't fathom what you mean in this instance, other than naming Chisora and Cunningham as fighters on Fury's resume who would beat Joshua, which I do not feel is correct.
Could you clarify?
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:55
by lefty
Horse wrote:lefty wrote:Joshua, Klitschko, Ortiz, Haye, etc.
They're not his size.
No he weighs more than them and is taller aswell.
Re: Joshua v Martin RBR
Posted: 09 Apr 2016, 18:55
by Bard of Boxrec
Horse wrote:lefty wrote:I'd back Joshua against Fury I have to say. I've felt that for awhile though. My reasoning being that whilst Fury is definietly better in some areas ie Speed of foot and maybe hand speed, I feel that Fury lacks the power to really keep Joshua at bay and AJ would be willing to take more risks than Klitschko was to land his power shots. Just my personal take on it though.
Fury could knock Joshua out.
Fury not being able to punch is a nonsense.
Didn't you say Joshua can't punch very hard? Now you're saying Fury can punch.
Your opinion shouldn't be considered.