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Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 07:45**

DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 05:07
Syntax Error wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 05:04
DrDuke wrote: ↑25 Sep 2021, 18:43

Yeah, Usyk is better. Plain and simple truth. Only the Gypsy King is better.
Yes, agree with this too.

Let's hope Fury doesn't disappear again, or having to go for Wilder IV and Wilder V, otherwise Usyk will be 77 by the time Fury is ready for the fight.
The next logical step is Fury vs Usyk in the early 2022. but now Usyk has that rematch clause. It'll be good, if Fury fights Whyte meanwhile, after what the fight for the undisputed championship is finally made.

Logic tells me Fury better not look past Wilder. No rematch clause in that one.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 07:48**

Lol, Foster had round 1 for Joshua

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 07:50**

Two close rounds out of the last 4 and it would end up as a draw.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 07:56**

AJ ask Bredis for tips. He fought closer to Usyk than AJ did.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 07:59**

Being a boxing judge is a dream job, you can watch a lot of great fights live from the ringside, you can travel the world, you'll personally know a lot of people from the boxing world and even if you make mistakes, there is no responsibility, in fact, you don't even have to know how to score.

For example, there is a judge who have mistaken fighters, so a clear UD became a SD, he admitted it but the result stands and he wasn't punished, he was still judging. Then, he made the same mistake AGAIN, the result stands as it did, at least he is suspended now but only temporarily.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 07:59**

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 07:56 AJ ask Bredis for tips. He fought closer to Usyk than AJ did.

I'd say Hunter did at least comparably, too. Similar finish in both fights as well.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:02**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 03:20 the thing with elite skillful boxers, they repeatedly take their opponents out of their element. over and over vs this type of boxer, people wonder why the opponent didnt press more, why they were hesistant etc. but its part of the quality of boxer to be able to negate an opponent like that.

Yup.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:04**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 03:20 the thing with elite skillful boxers, they repeatedly take their opponents out of their element. over and over vs this type of boxer, people wonder why the opponent didnt press more, why they were hesistant etc. but its part of the quality of boxer to be able to negate an opponent like that.

AJ fanboys and ‘bigger must be better’ merchants are super triggered and have to suggest it was AJ’s tactics at fault and that he’d have a totally different fight with different tactics.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:20**

Curious if anyone knows if Usyk was the first southpaw AJ has fought as a pro?

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:27**

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:20 Curious if anyone knows if Usyk was the first southpaw AJ has fought as a pro?

Martin is a southpaw too. But it basically doesn't count.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:28**

candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 04:14
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 01:18 consider also possibility that wilder beats fury and we end up getting wilder-usyk eventually? that would still be interesting tbf, the ultimate puncher vs boxer style clash
Do you think Wilder would want to take on Usyk anyway, never mind having just witnessed that?

Wilder will have a better chance to beat Usyk than AJ ever will. His best punch is a southpaw's cryptonite. Oh he'll get out boxed like he was with Ortiz, until he lands it.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:31**

It was dumb to take this fight, usyk should have been avoided at at all costs. Worst guy joshua could have fought

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:31**

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:28
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 04:14
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 01:18 consider also possibility that wilder beats fury and we end up getting wilder-usyk eventually? that would still be interesting tbf, the ultimate puncher vs boxer style clash
Do you think Wilder would want to take on Usyk anyway, never mind having just witnessed that?
Wilder will have a better chance to beat Usyk than AJ ever will. His best punch is a southpaw's cryptonite. Oh he'll get out boxed like he was with Ortiz, until he lands it.

Szpilka did well vs Wilder and until the KO, Wilder landed some of his heaviest shots on him and Szpilka was still there. Usyk is 100x better than Szpilka and has a lot better chin. So, I'd say Wilder chances to land that punch are very slim, and even if he lands 1 or 2 times, Usyk would probably still stand. Usyk would make Wilder look silly.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:33**

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:31 It was dumb to take this fight, usyk should have been avoided at at all costs. Worst guy joshua could have fought

a Polish dude who is a member of Joshua's team said, that he fears that Usyk purposely didn't showed his best vs Chisora because then, they would avoid him at all costs, they would never give him a chance to fight Joshua then. Looking at what happened yesterday, maybe he was right.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:35**

Usyk would dominate wilder but wilder has a better shot at landing the one bomb

Fury will beat usyk. Fury will tie him up and lean on him until exhaustion. Its what joshua should have done but cant

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 08:46**

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:28
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 04:14
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 01:18 consider also possibility that wilder beats fury and we end up getting wilder-usyk eventually? that would still be interesting tbf, the ultimate puncher vs boxer style clash
Do you think Wilder would want to take on Usyk anyway, never mind having just witnessed that?
Wilder will have a better chance to beat Usyk than AJ ever will. His best punch is a southpaw's cryptonite. Oh he'll get out boxed like he was with Ortiz, until he lands it.

is wilder the best hw you think? you have him koing fury and usyk

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:03**

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 07:45
DrDuke wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 05:07
Syntax Error wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 05:04

Yes, agree with this too.

Let's hope Fury doesn't disappear again, or having to go for Wilder IV and Wilder V, otherwise Usyk will be 77 by the time Fury is ready for the fight.
The next logical step is Fury vs Usyk in the early 2022. but now Usyk has that rematch clause. It'll be good, if Fury fights Whyte meanwhile, after what the fight for the undisputed championship is finally made.
Logic tells me Fury better not look past Wilder. No rematch clause in that one.

Yes, Fury definitely must take Wilder seriously even now.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:15**

aicheligad wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 07:59 Being a boxing judge is a dream job, you can watch a lot of great fights live from the ringside, you can travel the world, you'll personally know a lot of people from the boxing world and even if you make mistakes, there is no responsibility, in fact, you don't even have to know how to score.

For example, there is a judge who have mistaken fighters, so a clear UD became a SD, he admitted it but the result stands and he wasn't punished, he was still judging. Then, he made the same mistake AGAIN, the result stands as it did, at least he is suspended now but only temporarily.

Was this the judge for the Ryan Bennett fight too?

Where he had it wide for the challenger. The other 2 judges had it wide for Bennett.

Clear error was made. Think that was an Italian ref. He was suspended after that.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:16**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:46
Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:28
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 04:14

Do you think Wilder would want to take on Usyk anyway, never mind having just witnessed that?
Wilder will have a better chance to beat Usyk than AJ ever will. His best punch is a southpaw's cryptonite. Oh he'll get out boxed like he was with Ortiz, until he lands it.
is wilder the best hw you think? you have him koing fury and usyk

If Wilder does as I predicted, then yes. Not many on this forum will give him credit though. The goalposts will keep moving.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:20**

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 09:16
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:46
Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:28

Wilder will have a better chance to beat Usyk than AJ ever will. His best punch is a southpaw's cryptonite. Oh he'll get out boxed like he was with Ortiz, until he lands it.
is wilder the best hw you think? you have him koing fury and usyk
If Wilder does as I predicted, then yes. Not many on this forum will give him credit though. The goalposts will keep moving.

well since you believe he will accomplish that and would ko fury and usyk, does that mean you believe he's currently the best in the world?

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:23**

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 09:15
aicheligad wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 07:59 Being a boxing judge is a dream job, you can watch a lot of great fights live from the ringside, you can travel the world, you'll personally know a lot of people from the boxing world and even if you make mistakes, there is no responsibility, in fact, you don't even have to know how to score.

For example, there is a judge who have mistaken fighters, so a clear UD became a SD, he admitted it but the result stands and he wasn't punished, he was still judging. Then, he made the same mistake AGAIN, the result stands as it did, at least he is suspended now but only temporarily.
Was this the judge for the Ryan Bennett fight too?

Where he had it wide for the challenger. The other 2 judges had it wide for Bennett.

Clear error was made. Think that was an Italian ref. He was suspended after that.

I meant a Polish referee, but surely there are more exaples and the one you mentioned is probably one of them.

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:25**

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 04:51 ya agree, aj can do those explosive bursts a couple times a round, he cant constantly apply pressure like chisora does.

Yeah that's what I was getting at. I was surprised though, I thought having shed a stone of muscle he was rid of his stamina issues. It's odd though. We know AJ is a demon-trainer but it seems his cardio-vascular system can't compare to a man of 34. When I was a kid a sportsman of 34 years was considered one step away from the knackers yard

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:26**

Mijares vs navarro is where that happened

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:26**

I had it 7-5 Usyk.
Anthony didn't impose his size at all. He played Usyk game. There were times when he stopped mirroring Usyk nervous movements and for a moment just standed still and let Usyk bounce but that was too few and far in between.
He should have gone to the body at first and let Usyk bounce till he had no energy to bounce again. But he fought stupid. Joshua needs a new trainer... something needs to changes if he is to go on. Lennox was right about that!

Posted: **26 Sep 2021, 09:31**

aicheligad wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:31
Bandog wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 08:28
candyslim wrote: ↑26 Sep 2021, 04:14

Do you think Wilder would want to take on Usyk anyway, never mind having just witnessed that?
Wilder will have a better chance to beat Usyk than AJ ever will. His best punch is a southpaw's cryptonite. Oh he'll get out boxed like he was with Ortiz, until he lands it.
Szpilka did well vs Wilder and until the KO, Wilder landed some of his heaviest shots on him and Szpilka was still there. Usyk is 100x better than Szpilka and has a lot better chin. So, I'd say Wilder chances to land that punch are very slim, and even if he lands 1 or 2 times, Usyk would probably still stand. Usyk would make Wilder look silly.

Agreed. I'd be surprised if Wilder laid a glove on him (double-figures anyway, probably not literally). It's funny how the guys who Wilder would knock out all share one thing in common ... they have never shared a ring with Wilder and their chances of ever doing so are miniscule

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