Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk | PPV - 18 May 2024

[margaret thatcher]

usyk:

gassiev in russia
glowacki in poland
huck in germany
bellew, aj, chisora in the uk
briedis in latvia
hunter in the usa

world champ in 10th fight, unified in 14th, undisputed in 15. unified hw champ in 19th fight. no fights at home since his 9th bout.

dude does not play games

[HomicideHenry]

Yeah Usyk is really known for playing contractual games, whereas Fury just gets on with business, totally no-nonsense.

What makes you think that the Ukrainian is above playing games?

Hmmm, maybe going on the road and winning all 4 CW belts away from home, fighting AJ wherever he was told too. His track record speaks for itself, doesn't talk shit, will fight anyone, anywhere. The guy is literally a Spartan warrior.

An insane amount of money changes a lot of people's ethics and character unfortunately. A single fight with Tyson Fury would probably equate to all of his purses put together throughout his entire career.

Besides that other than Anthony Joshua is there really anyone you can point to that Tyson Fury did not fight that was absolutely necessary? I think most people can say that it is obvious that Eddie Hearn did not want the Tyson Fury fight this last time which is all the more solidified in the fact that Anthony Joshua is going to fight some largely unknown Australian in his next outing.

Tyson Fury may be a lot of things but a coward is simply not one of them. And it is beyond laughable to try to pretend that he is because some man happened to beat Anthony Joshua.

[HomicideHenry]

usyk:

gassiev in russia
glowacki in poland
huck in germany
bellew, aj, chisora in the uk
briedis in latvia
hunter in the usa

world champ in 10th fight, unified in 14th, undisputed in 15. unified hw champ in 19th fight. no fights at home since his 9th bout.

dude does not play games

Doesn't matter because the contract has already been sent to the Ukrainian and the ball is in his court and the man has not signed and it is that pure and simple. What is it about reality you cannot understand?

[The Gratest]

Fury needs to quit flogging the duff energy drinks, and instead, start marketing bags of mixed nuts. So many grown men would love to stick Fury's Nuts in their mouths.

[The Gratest]

Yes, Margaret, what part of reality don't you understand?

[margaret thatcher]

usyk:

gassiev in russia
glowacki in poland
huck in germany
bellew, aj, chisora in the uk
briedis in latvia
hunter in the usa

world champ in 10th fight, unified in 14th, undisputed in 15. unified hw champ in 19th fight. no fights at home since his 9th bout.

dude does not play games

Doesn't matter because the contract has already been sent to the Ukrainian and the ball is in his court and the man has not signed and it is that pure and simple. What is it about reality you cannot understand?

you mean the supposed contract with nothing on it ?

[big lennox]

usyk:

gassiev in russia
glowacki in poland
huck in germany
bellew, aj, chisora in the uk
briedis in latvia
hunter in the usa

world champ in 10th fight, unified in 14th, undisputed in 15. unified hw champ in 19th fight. no fights at home since his 9th bout.

dude does not play games

Doesn't matter because the contract has already been sent to the Ukrainian and the ball is in his court and the man has not signed and it is that pure and simple. What is it about reality you cannot understand?

Would you sign a contract you weren't fully happy with?

[HomicideHenry]

Yes, Margaret, what part of reality don't you understand?

It's the truth when you have Tyson Fury's team sending a contract over to the Ukrainian and the Ukrainian has not signed it's not team Fury holding up anything it's your beloved Usyk, and you are purposely trying to diminish that fact by blaming Tyson Fury for it simply because the man is on a vacation with his family waiting for the contract to be signed.

[margaret thatcher]

lol, might as well wipe your arse, send it over, call it a contract.............if he doesnt sign he's ducking!

[big lennox]

Yes, Margaret, what part of reality don't you understand?

It's the truth when you have Tyson Fury's team sending a contract over to the Ukrainian and the Ukrainian has not signed it's not team Fury holding up anything it's your beloved Usyk, and you are purposely trying to diminish that fact by blaming Tyson Fury for it simply because the man is on a vacation with his family waiting for the contract to be signed.

What are your views on Fury's failed drugs test? Did you believe that eating uncastrated wild boar meat was the cause?

[The Gratest]

Yes, Margaret, what part of reality don't you understand?

It's the truth when you have Tyson Fury's team sending a contract over to the Ukrainian and the Ukrainian has not signed it's not team Fury holding up anything it's your beloved Usyk, and you are purposely trying to diminish that fact by blaming Tyson Fury for it simply because the man is on a vacation with his family waiting for the contract to be signed.

You're an oblivious parody. Now pucker up and let Fury's Nuts slide in.

[HomicideHenry]

Yes, Margaret, what part of reality don't you understand?

It's the truth when you have Tyson Fury's team sending a contract over to the Ukrainian and the Ukrainian has not signed it's not team Fury holding up anything it's your beloved Usyk, and you are purposely trying to diminish that fact by blaming Tyson Fury for it simply because the man is on a vacation with his family waiting for the contract to be signed.

What are your views on Fury's failed drugs test? Did you believe that eating uncastrated wild boar meet was the cause?

For me that's all in the past and has nothing to do with the present situation. Regardless Tyson Fury did not fight for a couple of years therefore one can say he punished himself, unlike other boxers who can continue to use performance enhancing drugs like Canelo Alvarez who rake in millions of dollars every year and they are never given a tenth of the criticism that Tyson Fury gets.

lol, might as well wipe your arse, send it over, call it a contract.............if he doesnt sign he's ducking!

Everybody kept saying there was no way that the Ukrainian would ever duck or dodge or make any complaints that the fight would be made almost instantly because of his track record... that he was like some sort of throwback to bygone days when men fought for honor and legacy rather than money only for the truth to be the Ukrainian is all about the money when it comes to this particular fight.

[big lennox]

It's the truth when you have Tyson Fury's team sending a contract over to the Ukrainian and the Ukrainian has not signed it's not team Fury holding up anything it's your beloved Usyk, and you are purposely trying to diminish that fact by blaming Tyson Fury for it simply because the man is on a vacation with his family waiting for the contract to be signed.

What are your views on Fury's failed drugs test? Did you believe that eating uncastrated wild boar meet was the cause?

For me that's all in the past and has nothing to do with the present situation. Regardless Tyson Fury did not fight for a couple of years therefore one can say he punished himself, unlike other boxers who can continue to use performance enhancing drugs like Canelo Alvarez who rake in millions of dollars every year and they are never given a tenth of the criticism that Tyson Fury gets.

lol, might as well wipe your arse, send it over, call it a contract.............if he doesnt sign he's ducking!

Everybody kept saying there was no way that the Ukrainian would ever duck or dodge or make any complaints that the fight would be made almost instantly because of his track record... that he was like some sort of throwback to bygone days when men fought for honor and legacy rather than money only for the truth to be the Ukrainian is all about the money when it comes to this particular fight.

Do you genuinely think that Uysk is ducking Fury?

Who would you like to see Fury fight next instead? Would you be happy with Fury vs Charr or Fury Vs Chisora IV?

[margaret thatcher]

fury's own side dont even know the specifics , what the hell are you on about

[HomicideHenry]

What are your views on Fury's failed drugs test? Did you believe that eating uncastrated wild boar meet was the cause?

For me that's all in the past and has nothing to do with the present situation. Regardless Tyson Fury did not fight for a couple of years therefore one can say he punished himself, unlike other boxers who can continue to use performance enhancing drugs like Canelo Alvarez who rake in millions of dollars every year and they are never given a tenth of the criticism that Tyson Fury gets.

lol, might as well wipe your arse, send it over, call it a contract.............if he doesnt sign he's ducking!

Everybody kept saying there was no way that the Ukrainian would ever duck or dodge or make any complaints that the fight would be made almost instantly because of his track record... that he was like some sort of throwback to bygone days when men fought for honor and legacy rather than money only for the truth to be the Ukrainian is all about the money when it comes to this particular fight.

Do you genuinely think that Uysk is ducking Fury?

Who would you like to see Fury fight next instead? Would you be happy with Fury vs Charr or Fury Vs Chisora IV?

Don't think that I'm saying the Ukrainian is a coward because I'm not but people's own selfishness and greed often get in the way of making the big fights happen for one reason or another.

What I am seeing is a man who built his entire career off the reputation of fighting any place anytime anywhere for any amount of money... and that reputation being traded in for a ton of money.

As I said before even if he was to get 30% it would be more money than he ever made at any other time in his career so why he is stalling or complaining is kind of beyond me especially when you figure there will most likely be a rematch clause.

And no I want to see the Undisputed fight just as much as anyone else I would not accept any substitutions but if it is clear that the Ukrainian wanted more money than what was reasonable and that derailed the fight then the only fight worth watching would be Tyson Fury versus Joe Joyce or Tyson Fury versus Anthony Joshua.

[The Gratest]

Oh, it's Usyk who wants £500mill? I'm getting muddled here

[margaret thatcher]

what is he stalling on? the supposed contract, that has 0 detail on it because mr 500 million's side doesnt even have an idea of specifics?

[HomicideHenry]

Oh, it's Usyk who wants £500mill? I'm getting muddled here

I haven't heard Tyson Fury demand 500 million pounds. He said that when he was supposedly retired but he is not said that since. If anyone actually believes that he was serious when saying that that is ultimately their problem.

Tyson Fury says all kinds of outrageous things for the sole purpose of keeping his name out there or for mind games. Not much different than when Donald Trump would constantly put things out on Twitter just for the news cycle to constantly be on him instead of his political rivals.

It's like him retiring dropping the Ring magazine belt. Did I or did I not call it months ago that that was precisely what Tyson Fury would do? For the sole purpose that Tyson Fury could call himself a three time heavyweight champion once he fought the winner of that belt so he could say he was in the same category as Muhammad Ali and Lennox Lewis.

Everything that Fury says and does is largely strategic there is some sort of method to the madness but in the case of the 500 million pounds it was complete hyperbole because Tyson Fury knows that kind of money only existed when both he and Anthony Joshua were both undefeated. Tyson Fury versus Oleksandr Usyk would be lucky to get 100 million a piece. Oddly enough even now there is still more money in an Anthony Joshua fight than there is in a Usyk fight.

[big lennox]

For me that's all in the past and has nothing to do with the present situation. Regardless Tyson Fury did not fight for a couple of years therefore one can say he punished himself, unlike other boxers who can continue to use performance enhancing drugs like Canelo Alvarez who rake in millions of dollars every year and they are never given a tenth of the criticism that Tyson Fury gets.



Everybody kept saying there was no way that the Ukrainian would ever duck or dodge or make any complaints that the fight would be made almost instantly because of his track record... that he was like some sort of throwback to bygone days when men fought for honor and legacy rather than money only for the truth to be the Ukrainian is all about the money when it comes to this particular fight.

Do you genuinely think that Uysk is ducking Fury?

Who would you like to see Fury fight next instead? Would you be happy with Fury vs Charr or Fury Vs Chisora IV?

Don't think that I'm saying the Ukrainian is a coward because I'm not but people's own selfishness and greed often get in the way of making the big fights happen for one reason or another.

What I am seeing is a man who built his entire career off the reputation of fighting any place anytime anywhere for any amount of money... and that reputation being traded in for a ton of money.

As I said before even if he was to get 30% it would be more money than he ever made at any other time in his career so why he is stalling or complaining is kind of beyond me especially when you figure there will most likely be a rematch clause.

And no I want to see the Undisputed fight just as much as anyone else I would not accept any substitutions but if it is clear that the Ukrainian wanted more money than what was reasonable and that derailed the fight then the only fight worth watching would be Tyson Fury versus Joe Joyce or Tyson Fury versus Anthony Joshua.

Likewise, I don't think Fury is coward. Anyone that gets in the ring isn't a coward. But, I get the impression that he doesn't fully think he can beat Uysk.

On the contracts, all we have heard is Fury's teams' side, so we haven't heard the other side of the story. It maybe that that they are trying to lowball Uysks team and he is saying 50/50 at Wembley as a means of getting them up. Also, I thought Fury wasn't interested in money. Yet, against Joshua and Fury, it seems to come up as an issue.

[The Gratest]

Oh, it's Usyk who wants £500mill? I'm getting muddled here

I haven't heard Tyson Fury demand 500 million pounds. He said that when he was supposedly retired but he is not said that since. If anyone actually believes that he was serious when saying that that is ultimately their problem.

Tyson Fury says all kinds of outrageous things for the sole purpose of keeping his name out there or for mind games. Not much different than when Donald Trump would constantly put things out on Twitter just for the news cycle to constantly be on him instead of his political rivals.

So what is he getting paid then? You seem to know more about the 'draft' contract than anyone else here, although it appears more that your just constantly siding with Fury with every single thing. He's up there with Trump for your hero worshipping.

Everyone's well aware that Fury chats shit constantly and is always in need of attention. What die-hards like you don't seem to realise though, is that when someone chats as much shit and constantly contradicts himself, there comes a point where even his own fans start to turn against him. That happened recently with the hopes of a Joshua fight dashed again, and instead, a pointless 3rd fight with Chisora trotted out instead. (Yes Mickey, there are other forum's and social media outside of Boxrec where he was criticised).

He'd already previously fked around before with Joshua, with the full knowledge that Wilder was serving the abritation that would put a complete stop to the Joshua fight, and that's what happened. To go through the same shitty routine again and then serve up Chisora (which he'd already said he'd do back in August) just pissed people off (his own fans included).
All this sort of crap sticks, and is what Boxerbeetle was alluding to, he has a reputation for fking not only possible opponents around, but also the fans who want to see these fights. Usyk has so far displayed none of this, yet you want to ignore everything that has happened previously, and instead float off into fantasy land. Off you go then, bye bye.

[The Gratest]

Anyway, fk this, i'm off to sleep.

[HomicideHenry]

The only so-called fans that Tyson Fury lost was people who were never fans of his to begin with but only jumped on the bandwagon when he beat Deontay Wilder. And the moment they didn't get their beloved Joshua fight which was all Joshua's fault anyways they went and turned on Tyson Fury.

[margaret thatcher]

so basically anything fury allegedly sends usyk has to sign, or it's avoiding

that seems to be the argument, considering the utter lack of details you and clearly fury's own team have

[maverick23]

I don't see how anyone can be blaming Tyson Fury for any of it considering they already sent the Ukrainian's the contract and it's Usyk who hasn't signed anything. This keeps being a pattern on BoxRec that no matter who Tyson Fury fights people get angry with him and for the most asinine reasons.

What does the contract say? Bob doesn’t even seem sure if the split will be 50/50. He’s saying now if it’s not Saudi (which they haven’t had an offer) and they go to Wembley then they’d have to look at it.

So the the split isn’t agreed, the location isn’t agreed and the date isn’t locked down. But Frank’s sent the contract so it’s on Usyk. What has he actually got to sign?!

A piece of paper that say, IOU 1 x fight, written in crayon.

[maverick23]

Because there is such a thing as preliminary contracts binding the two men in agreement for fighting each other to begin with and once that is signed then they go into official contracts with all of the major details. Usyk has yet to sign on the dotted line a preliminary contract which states he's willing to fight Tyson Fury.

If you were given a contract where some of the terms seemed unfair to you, would you sign it?

Joshua and Uysk fights were made very easily. As was Bellew vs Uysk.

But Fury vs Joshua never came off and it would appear that Fury isn't mad keen on facing Uysk either. It didn't take Fury long to sign for the Wilder or Chisora I, II and III fights..

I think the casuals will give Fury a pass but most boxing insiders and fans can tell that he doesn't fancy his chances of beating Usyk.

I get the impression that Fury doesn't want the irrelevance of retirement but doesn't want to risk losing his Mystic hence boxing Chisora again.

Maybe they happened so quickly because Chisora is a no-nonsense type who will fight anyone anytime anywhere, and because Wilder thought Tyson Fury didn't have it anymore and would be an easy win.

The impression I'm getting is that Tyson Fury sat around for a while hoping that the Ukrainian would sign the contract and when he didn't Tyson Fury went on vacation and told Warren to do whatever it takes to get it over the line and to let him know if and when the contract is signed, and so far it still hasn't happened because Usyk is playing games not signing a preliminary contract that has no specifics on it other than a formal agreement that the two men want to face each other.

How can Usyk sign any kind of contract when splits, location and date aren’t sorted?

Team Usyk have openly said they want to face Usyk. Have Arum/Warren came out and said they’re waiting on Usyk signing a prelim contract?! Of course they haven’t. Bob himself said they’re waiting to see if they’ll get an offer from Saudi and if that doesn’t happen then they’ll have to negotiate splits.

Yet you’re blaming Usyk for stalling due to not signing a preliminary contract. Sure.