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mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 09:02

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 07:53 Have a feeling they'll both be trying to hold the centre of the ring. It's gonna be a good 'un.

I'm more confident for Fury in this one than I was the first.

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 13:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 09:02

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 07:53 Have a feeling they'll both be trying to hold the centre of the ring. It's gonna be a good 'un.

I'm more confident for Fury in this one than I was the first.

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 13:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 09:02
I'm more confident for Fury in this one than I was the first.

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

I just don't understand why he (Fury) chooses to come into the ring with a load of spare around his middle, it makes no sense. He would be much more effective if he was in better shape.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 13:23

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

I just don't understand why he (Fury) chooses to come into the ring with a load of spare around his middle, it makes no sense. He would be much more effective if he was in better shape.

He doesn't really choose Keith. Granted he sometimes looks more out of shape than others. You've heard of morphology, right? He's never going to be an aesthetic god. Calzaghe was about as fit and as a hard working boxer ever. He never had a Greek god physique about him, but it didn't diminish his boxing ability nor endurance of fight.

The Docker wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 17:12

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:35

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20
I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

I just don't understand why he (Fury) chooses to come into the ring with a load of spare around his middle, it makes no sense. He would be much more effective if he was in better shape.

He doesn't really choose Keith. Granted he sometimes looks more out of shape than others. You've heard of morphology, right? He's never going to be an aesthetic god. Calzaghe was about as fit and as a hard working boxer ever. He never had a Greek god physique about him, but it didn't diminish his boxing ability nor endurance of fight.

No, he does choose. He chooses the shape he enters the ring in, just like every other boxer ever. I didn't say he has to look like adonis, but the fat around his middle will not help him. To suggest otherwise is just plain stupid. Do you think Ali would have been better with a load of fat around his middle?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 07:53 Have a feeling they'll both be trying to hold the centre of the ring. It's gonna be a good 'un.

first fight was good but I think this will be even better, just can't see Usyk losing though,probably be a 8/4 7/5 affair.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 17:25

The Docker wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 17:12

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:35

I just don't understand why he (Fury) chooses to come into the ring with a load of spare around his middle, it makes no sense. He would be much more effective if he was in better shape.

He doesn't really choose Keith. Granted he sometimes looks more out of shape than others. You've heard of morphology, right? He's never going to be an aesthetic god. Calzaghe was about as fit and as a hard working boxer ever. He never had a Greek god physique about him, but it didn't diminish his boxing ability nor endurance of fight.

No, he does choose. He chooses the shape he enters the ring in, just like every other boxer ever. I didn't say he has to look like adonis, but the fat around his middle will not help him. To suggest otherwise is just plain stupid. Do you think Ali would have been better with a load of fat around his middle?

You thick c*nt, I'm saying morphology wise he's blessed with a padded midriff. His choosing is only how much padding. We've all seen Fury come in shape, with vague bicep and abdomen muscularity. Even then he carries a fat roll, particularly round his lower back.

The Docker wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 05:34 You thick c*nt,

As thick as Fury's midriff.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 13:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 09:02
I'm more confident for Fury in this one than I was the first.

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

What makes you think he’ll be 100% for this one and he wasn’t last one? Not disagreeing, just interested.

J-C wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:07

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 13:23

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

What makes you think he’ll be 100% for this one and he wasn’t last one? Not disagreeing, just interested.

Just subconsciously underestimating him.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:20

J-C wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:07

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20
I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

What makes you think he’ll be 100% for this one and he wasn’t last one? Not disagreeing, just interested.

Just subconsciously underestimating him.

Do you think he'll come in lighter or heavier?

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:31

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:20

J-C wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:07

What makes you think he’ll be 100% for this one and he wasn’t last one? Not disagreeing, just interested.

Just subconsciously underestimating him.

Do you think he'll come in lighter or heavier?

Heavier.

If Usyk still has it together, then his feet will always be a step ahead of Fury's. He's a better boxer full stop.

I do think Usyk is declining though - I would say both are, but if Usyk has lost a step he's in trouble. However add in Fury's suspct chin and it makes it a pick em fight for me.

Simply, I think it depends on who has the most left.

I nearly always heavily favour the winner of the first fight in rematches, but do expect this one to be a lot closer than the original, pretty much see it as a 50-50. Not really sure why, just have an inkling Usyk might be slightly overconfident and subconsciously not take training quite as seriously this time around.

Excellent fight promo

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 07:45 I nearly always heavily favour the winner of the first fight in rematches, but do expect this one to be a lot closer than the original, pretty much see it as a 50-50. Not really sure why, just have an inkling Usyk might be slightly overconfident and subconsciously not take training quite as seriously this time around.

I don't know, when have we ever seen Usyk not taken a fight seriously, he's one of the few modern day professional fighters.

quickeyg wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 14:52 Excellent fight promo

Absolutely brilliant. Doffing a cap to both of their thespian talents.
Though I don't think Fury is in Usyk's head.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 07:45 I nearly always heavily favour the winner of the first fight in rematches, but do expect this one to be a lot closer than the original, pretty much see it as a 50-50. Not really sure why, just have an inkling Usyk might be slightly overconfident and subconsciously not take training quite as seriously this time around.

you think usyk isnt going to take it fully seriously? i cant see that from him, he's as dedicated a pro as any

mickey1975 wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:20

J-C wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 06:07

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 15:20
I wasn't surprised he lost the first. I think he will be 100% for this one, it's just a matter of if he's still got much left in the tank. I hope Usyk is all over him.

What makes you think he’ll be 100% for this one and he wasn’t last one? Not disagreeing, just interested.

Just subconsciously underestimating him.

fury couldnt spar with that cut and that may make a difference this time.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Dec 2024, 14:23

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑30 Nov 2024, 07:45 I nearly always heavily favour the winner of the first fight in rematches, but do expect this one to be a lot closer than the original, pretty much see it as a 50-50. Not really sure why, just have an inkling Usyk might be slightly overconfident and subconsciously not take training quite as seriously this time around.

you think usyk isnt going to take it fully seriously? i cant see that from him, he's as dedicated a pro as any

I definitely wouldn't say Usyk won't take it fully seriously, but it's pretty common in sport that it's it's harder to be 100% motivated when you're at the very top of the mountain, facing someone you've already beaten, and probably have one eye on retirement. Like I say, more a subconscious thing than anything else. Could be like Undertaker finally losing the streak at Wrestlemania

deadpan wrote: ↑02 Dec 2024, 12:53

quickeyg wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 14:52 Excellent fight promo

Absolutely brilliant. Doffing a cap to both of their thespian talents.
Though I don't think Fury is in Usyk's head.

Nobody can get in usyks head

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 13:23

mickey1975 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 09:02

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑29 Nov 2024, 07:53 Have a feeling they'll both be trying to hold the centre of the ring. It's gonna be a good 'un.

I'm more confident for Fury in this one than I was the first.

That's interesting. I was sure Usyk was gonna win last time, but the cards were closer than I thought. I'm not saying this to be dismissive or to wind you up, but I think Usyk's gonna be all over him like a Matalan suit this time. If I had to bet on it, I'd net on an Usyk stoppage, but that's just me.

That's some top drawer simile work there.

Bow.

I'm genuinely interested how Fury will respond to defeat. It might bring something extra out of him. One of those things we truly cannot gauge, and that the many who are writing him off or dismissing him overlook. Or maybe he won't take responsibility for the defeat, and keep it in his head that he "won" the first fight "easily" or "clearly." Will he come in delusional, and be in for a lesson, or will he come in with something to prove, and demonstrate something extra?

In Usyk's favour, the man is fanatical in his preparations and he is consistent. The only thing different about him will be how he's developed and improved from the last fight (as well an inevitable wear and tear). He's not going to take his eyes off Fury the entire fight, and he's going to be working rigorously to win the battle of positioning and take every inch of space away from Tyson.

I'm really hoping for a fight even better than the superb first meeting between them, and that we have a classic heavyweight rivalry. The UFC fans often love to rubbish boxing, but as we know their heavyweight division is a mess right now, with hand picked "legacy" matchups, and the top two fighters never meeting. Hoping that boxing can make a statement.

Check out some excerpts from the fighters below with the full video interview in the link at the top.

Usyk on if he still believes he clearly beat Fury in their first fight
“My hand was (raised). I win. Thank you, God. But if Tyson think that Tyson win, for me no problem. Listen, we have one more fight 21st December.”

Fury on if he regrets saying that Usyk was given the decision because Ukraine is at war
“No, I don’t regret anything. Why would I regret that? Listen, it was a close fight, Usyk got the raise, like he just said. He won the fight, fair play to him. Don’t make excuses, the man beat me on the night, fair play. I believe I won the fight, that’s my opinion...but he got his hand raised and I congratulated him.”

Fury on saying it was an easy fight for him until Usyk landed a punch from the gods
“He could’ve punched me with that punch a million times, it may not have had any effect. But, you know, he punched me and he had an effect and that was great for him...But you had your little chance to knock me out, didn’t ya — couldn’t do it, could ya? Hit me with 10 shots in a row and couldn’t do it.

“You couldn’t even put me down after being on Bambi legs. You hit me 10 shots, 10 clean shots on the chin, no canvas touched. You’re f-cked in the rematch...You know what’s coming for you, I’m going to f-ck you up b-tch.”

Tyson sounds completely delusional to me.

He is making out as if he never got hurt, when the fact is, he was saved from an almost certain battering into unconsciousness by a ref who muffed the call. Antother 3-4 clean shots, and there's no chance he survives the round.

By hook or by crook, he's getting beat again.