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What about bare knucklers that aren't/weren't heavyweights? Wasn't there a man called Booty Kelly who was a handful?

Matt the Master wrote:BKB Warriors Past and Present.
Past. Jem Mace, John L Sullivan, Tom Sayers, Jack Broughton, Bartley Gorman l, Dan Donnelly, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Uriah Burton, Barney Doherty, Jim Neilson, Bartley Gorman V, Lenny Mclean, Roy Shaw, Charles Bronson, Dan Rooney, Joe Joyce, Mark Ripley, John Fury, Simon Doherty, Henry Francis, Aney Mcginley, Anthony O'Donnell, Ditsy Nevin, Paddy Doherty, Bernie Ward, John Nevin, James Quinn Mcdonagh, John Joyce R.I.P, Simon O'Donnell,

Present. Paddy Ward, Davey Joyce, Joe Joyce Jr, Cowboys Michael Quinn Mcdonagh, Trevor Mcginley, Dougie Joyce, Davey Nevin, Michael Keenan, Patrick Nevin, Jimmy Maloney, Paul Joyce, Martin O'Donnell, Anthony O'Donnell, James Mcrory, Dave Radford, Michael Ferry, Stevan Miller, Decca Heggie, David Price, Kimbo Slice, Dada 5000, Barney Mcginley, Seth Jones,

BKB Frauds Past and Present.
Past. Paddy Monaghan,
Present. Bobby Gunn, Rufus Defibaugh,

*Please note that these lists are works in progress, and were designed to instigate discussion and debate, and as a result names can be added/omitted to either category.

What do you know about big Jim Neilson?

Why is Elias missing?

Edit: Dada5000, your worse than Homocide man ffs

palooka wrote:What about bare knucklers that aren't/weren't heavyweights? Wasn't there a man called Booty Kelly who was a handful?

I didn't stipulate any Heavyweight category, otherwise Rufus who weighs less than a sack of spuds soaking wet wouldn't have made the fraud list.

Tomasino wrote:

Matt the Master wrote:BKB Warriors Past and Present.
Past. Jem Mace, John L Sullivan, Tom Sayers, Jack Broughton, Bartley Gorman l, Dan Donnelly, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Uriah Burton, Barney Doherty, Jim Neilson, Bartley Gorman V, Lenny Mclean, Roy Shaw, Charles Bronson, Dan Rooney, Joe Joyce, Mark Ripley, John Fury, Simon Doherty, Henry Francis, Aney Mcginley, Anthony O'Donnell, Ditsy Nevin, Paddy Doherty, Bernie Ward, John Nevin, James Quinn Mcdonagh, John Joyce R.I.P, Simon O'Donnell,

Present. Paddy Ward, Davey Joyce, Joe Joyce Jr, Cowboys Michael Quinn Mcdonagh, Trevor Mcginley, Dougie Joyce, Davey Nevin, Michael Keenan, Patrick Nevin, Jimmy Maloney, Paul Joyce, Martin O'Donnell, Anthony O'Donnell, James Mcrory, Dave Radford, Michael Ferry, Stevan Miller, Decca Heggie, David Price, Kimbo Slice, Dada 5000, Barney Mcginley, Seth Jones,

BKB Frauds Past and Present.
Past. Paddy Monaghan,
Present. Bobby Gunn, Rufus Defibaugh,

*Please note that these lists are works in progress, and were designed to instigate discussion and debate, and as a result names can be added/omitted to either category.

What do you know about big Jim Neilson?

Why is Elias missing?

Edit: Dada5000, your worse than Homocide man ffs

Dada 5000 makes the list simply because he was known to hold backyard bareknuckle fights, these lists are by no means an endorsement or indicator of talent per se, other than the fact that fighters are either "Warriors" (lol) or "Frauds", some such as Rufus you wouldn't even class as a fighter ! As for Elias Smith I will surely add him ! As allready stated "These lists are works in progress" and "Names can be added/omitted". Elias was overlooked simply because time permitting it was not an exhaustive undertaking, just something to pass the time and rouse some kind of dialouge, and I concentrated more on the Irish Travellers that fight with bareknuckles simply because they are the more widely known, so simply put Elias escaped my train of thought, but spot on Sir ! That fight he was in against that Mason fella is undoubtedly the finest fight that you could possibly see online, and seeing as the English Romany guy's rarely put up video's of their fight's it leaves one wondering if they are a whole different class apart from the many hundreds of Irish fighters in videos ! (Of course there are exceptions, Paddy Ward, the Joyce brother's etc stand out from the many, but not a single fighter has exhibited as much ferocity and will to win as Elias showed in that fight in my mind, and the pace of the whole fight was amazing ! Compare that fight to any of Paddy Ward's two fight's with Barney Mcginley for example !) So yes my bad ! I will ammend my list to include the mighty Elias Smith, or should I say "the Ferocious Elias Smith" ?!

As for Big Jim Neilson I know nothing other than what was relayed in Bartley Gorman's book (unlike Rufus I can admit that !). Expressly that he was supposed to be the best man in the North of England during Uriah Burton's reign, and that they met at some fair or other, and Big Jim appeared to be winning his fight untill Uriah forced him to concede by tearing one of his nipples off with his teeth.
I suppose then that when you asked what I knew of him I could have replied "Not much other than the fact he has only one nipple left !" but all and any attempt's at bad humour aside, do I really "know" anything about the man atall ??? See unlike Rufus I understand that stories are exactly that, stories ! Wether they be urban legends or Gypsy folklore, stories are susceptible to change over time, so really I don't claim to know anything of the man other than the "story" told about him in Bartley's book.

So it's just a list of people you have read about? What purpose is that supposed to serve?

Bartley Gorman's autobiography is not a reference book.

gp. wrote:So it's just a list of people you have read about? What purpose is that supposed to serve?

Are you fornicating dense or something ? Or is your brain just sparesly populated with brain cells ???
A very few I have read about, some are common knowledge that they fought bkb i.e Jem Mace, others such as most of the present day Gypsy/Traveller fighters you can see on You Tube. However even though I only heard of Big Jim Neilson through a book I doubt anyone here is going to say that he didn't fight and make a liar of not only Bartley's account but also of Uriah Burton (simply why would one man need to lie about another man's fight's ? Especially as it would undoubtedly be common knowledge that they did indeed fight !)

"What purpose is that meant to serve ?"

Well you just answered your own question by replying...."These lists were instigated to initiate debate/discussion"

palooka wrote:Bartley Gorman's autobiography is not a reference book.

Well actually maybe technically speaking it isn't, but for some who aren't blessed with a resourceful Gypsy loreist in their family it's as close as it get's to one !

You just have to be mindful of the fact that it was written by a man, and men can be very biased especially when it comes to egocentric pursuits such as fighting !

HH would do well to remember that !

Matt the Master wrote:

gp. wrote:So it's just a list of people you have read about? What purpose is that supposed to serve?

Are you effing dense or something ? Or is your brain just sparesly populated with brain cells ???
A very few I have read about, some are common knowledge that they fought bkb i.e Jem Mace, others such as most of the present day Gypsy/Traveller fighters you can see on You Tube. However even though I only heard of Big Jim Neilson through a book I doubt anyone here is going to say that he didn't fight and make a liar of not only Bartley's account but also of Uriah Burton (simply why would one man need to lie about another man's fight's ? Especially as it would undoubtedly be common knowledge that they did indeed fight !)

"What purpose is that meant to serve ?"

Well you just answered your own question by replying...."These lists were instigated to initiate debate/discussion"

What discussion? It's just a list of people who, by your own admission, you know nothing about.

You are way more annoying and stupid than Rufus. Really. Ask around for opinions.

Why have you spent weeks attempting to bully the one man you can find who, presumably, you think is weaker than yourself?

gp. wrote:

Matt the Master wrote:

gp. wrote:So it's just a list of people you have read about? What purpose is that supposed to serve?

Are you effing dense or something ? Or is your brain just sparesly populated with brain cells ???
A very few I have read about, some are common knowledge that they fought bkb i.e Jem Mace, others such as most of the present day Gypsy/Traveller fighters you can see on You Tube. However even though I only heard of Big Jim Neilson through a book I doubt anyone here is going to say that he didn't fight and make a liar of not only Bartley's account but also of Uriah Burton (simply why would one man need to lie about another man's fight's ? Especially as it would undoubtedly be common knowledge that they did indeed fight !)

"What purpose is that meant to serve ?"

Well you just answered your own question by replying...."These lists were instigated to initiate debate/discussion"

What discussion? It's just a list of people who, by your own admission, you know nothing about.

You are way more annoying and stupid than Rufus. Really. Ask around for opinions.

Why have you spent weeks attempting to bully the one man you can find who, presumably, you think is weaker than yourself?

Some I know nothing about, some I have an opinion on seeing them fight if only via a video. In the same way is it not permitted to watch a boxing match on You Tube, or must you actually be there to have an opinion ???

"You are way more annoying and stupid than Rufus. Really. Ask around for opinions."

Err yeah like I'm actually going to do that LMFAO !!! Newsflash LIKE I GIVE TWO HOOTS HA HA HA !!! Maybe Rufus would care seeing as he has tried to make himself an internet celebrity !!! But me on the other hand ??? Nobody here knows me in the real world as that is the world I deal in, not some fake cult of personality wannabe !!! I know enough to know that this thread ISN'T ABOUT ME !!! And I would have it NO OTHER WAY !!!

As far as my bullying of Rufus is concerned I have allready made my views well known on the matter, but for those who are intellectually challenged I shall repeat my stated reasons for calling out Rufus on his warped egocentrical fantasist B.S !!! Quite simply after too long seeing his name connected with that of Bartley Gorman's after typing his name into a google search (funny that, but someone else just recently mentioned something similar !) and seeing all of his demented and laughable claims, I started a profile here to call him out on his B.S, and he hasn't replied, not that I give a damn really ! I just done what I set out to do, and that's reveal what a bullshitter and fantasist he is ! Personally I CANNOT STAND LIES AND FAKERY !!! You and others here may be ok with that but I am not ! As for my bullying of Rufus (Lol !!!) If he really feels bullied by my words and opposition to his bullcrap then maybe he is in the wrong place ???!!! Ha Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaa You really make me laugh pal !

Hey Rufus how's your "Irish girlfriend Shirley Maguire" ??? Are the "IRA still lurking around in the bushes outside your house" ???

What would the IRA be doing wasting their time on a no mark dead beat fantasist like you across the pond in Sidney Ohio ??? You have absolutely ZERO connections to Irish politics, the country itself (No Rufus "Shirley Maguire" is an imaginary girlfriend of yours much like the "Joyce girl" !) and no Irish ancestory, or are you now claiming to be related to Irish Travellers now ??? What's your new name then, Rufus Mcdonagh, Rufus Ward perhaps ???

How on earth has this utterly ridiculous thread got this many pages. Why don't you good fellows follow actual good professional boxing where the participants can actually fight at a decent level.

Bareknuckle boxing is for bullys that cant do it for real.

Hell, lmao, I seldom come on anymore and there is a stalker. That's actually rather disturbing. I've been away from here for maybe a month or better and this man (if that's appropriate) writes down all these details about my life. Claims that they are lies, etc. And seemingly from out of nowhere, with no real cause. =/ Either you are a Bobby Gunn fan who is taking up for him, by taking me down because I am a big critic of Gunn.... Or you are mentally unstable, in need of help, because you know too many details of my life and different things and its actually quite scary that someone who is nameless wants to stalk me when I don't know you from Adam.