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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 29 Jan 2015, 14:07
by doug.ie
This chapter from "The Sweet Science" describes the scene on the day of the Sugar Ray Robinson v Randy Turpin rematch, and the scene at the arena before the fight started...describing the various characters and fans of each side who Liebling met that day at the Polo Grounds, New York in 1951...and of course the fight itself..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrUUNUy3LUI


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 30 Jan 2015, 08:43
by doug.ie
"I began to take on a lot of confidence, and I made up my mind that I would put down a bet on myself the next time I started, if a good chance was offered and I could keep my mother from finding it out. It came quicker than I expected.

William Rosser, a lightning fast young lightweight, and at that time the pride of West Pullman, and a boy who had been defeating every Chicago fighter who dared to come into his bailiwick, sent me a challenge after I had stopped the Cyclone. With a large party of my Hegewisch friends and backers we journeyed over to Harvey by buses, buggies, automobiles and in every manner imaginable. We were about 250 strong.

About a week previous to the fight while training at my White House Club at home, Frank Reiger, one of those talkative fellows, dropped into the club rooms and asked me what I thought of my chances in the coming fight. I jokingly said, "Why, I'll knock him out in a round." Reiger, who had been continually belittling my ability as a fighter, at once offered to bet me $40, to $4, or $10 to $i, that I wouldn't knock him out in a round. I, thinking it was only a bunch of hot air, dug down in my jeans and took up the bet. Reiger immediately appointed George Wickham as stakeholder and handed him the $40. Of course, I put up my four, thinking he would try and crawl out of the bet any moment. But the stakeholder forced him to keep his coin up.

Now that the bet was made and the money posted it was up to me to figure out ways and means to win that fight in a gallop.

I immediately made up my mind to get that one-round money if I never fought again. I notified my backers that I would show the Harvey sports three minutes of the fastest fighting they ever saw in their lives, if Rosser lasted that long.

Having that forty dollars in view all the while, I made up my mind that I wouldn't allow him to get a start. When we were called to the centre of the ring for instructions I had the scheme figured out. Instead of retiring to my corner, as is customary, I decided to take a step toward his corner.

The trick worked like a charm. As the timekeeper rang the bell Rosser raised out of his chair, and he was just within nice hitting distance. The bell had not ceased ringing before I shot a terrific right-hand swing flush on his jaw. He tottered a step forward and fell in the centre of the ring. Rosser tried hard to get up and made two futile efforts to rise, but only got to arm's length, and by the time the referee had tolled off seven seconds he dropped on his face and turned over on his back and remained for the full count, only to be carried to his dressing room by his handlers.

My only punch was so well directed that it was hours before he regained consciousness."

(by Battling Nelson)

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*The Two Second Fight. April 5th 1902.

Battling Nelson knocked out his opponent, William Rossler, two seconds into the first round making this the shortest bout in history to date. It would be equalled 13 years later by the Billy Weeks v Romeo Hagen bout of Dec.18, 1915.


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 07:55
by doug.ie
June 1956 - Madison Square Garden, New York

The winner of this bout would face Archie Moore for the World Heavyweight Title left vacant by the retirement of Rocky Marciano in April 1956.

"21 year old Floyd Patterson of Brooklyn won decisively before 11,255 at MSG for his 17th straight victory. But his triumph was tarnished slightly by a strange split decision. Surprising most of the fans and writers at ringside, Referee Harry Kessler favored Tommy 'Hurricane' Jackson of Far Rockaway, NY. Patterson had Tommy in trouble from rapid-fire left hooks and leaping right leads in 8 of the 12 sessions. Although the Hurricane stalked after the smaller Patterson in every round, he was staggered in the 2nd,3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, 11th and 12th. Tommy almost hit the deck in the 4th and 12th. But he continued to fight back persistently. His best rounds were the 7th and 9th." -United Press

"That Jackson is a tough man. Now I know I can go 15 rounds if I have to because I wasn't tired after 12, even though I landed more punches than I ever threw in my life." -Floyd Patterson

"This boy's not as tough as Bob Baker or Dan Bucceroni. If he fights Moore in September, Archie'll kill him." -Tommy 'Hurricane' Jackson

*Floyd Patterson weighed in at 178 lbs to Tommy Jackson's 193½ lbs

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July 1957 - Polo Grounds, New York

Patterson has beaten Archie Moore eight months previous to become the World Heavyweight Champion and makes his 1st defence against Jackson. Floyd weighs in at 184 lbs to Jackson's 192.5 lbs.

Unable to cope with the speed of the champion’s punches, Jackson's nose was bloodied and he was put down by a combination of rights and lefts to the head just as the bell rang to end the opening session. It did not get any better for Jackson in the second round when Patterson spun him around and dropped him to a knee from a right to the jaw. Named ‘The Hurricane’ due his fighting style, Jackson bravely punched away, but it was Patterson who was doing all the scoring. By the sixth it was apparent that the end was drawing near, but Jackson, his left eye almost closed, would not hear of it and although he was dropped by a pair of body blows and left hooks in the ninth and took a terrific left to the jaw immediately prior to the bell he came out fighting in the tenth. With the brave Jackson just walking into punches and refusing to go down it was left to the referee to save him from taking further punishment, the finish being timed at 1.52. Jackson went to the hospital five hours after the fight to be treated for a bruised kidney. He was kept for several days for observation. Patterson visited Jackson in the hospital three days after the bout.

"Jackson kept telling me in the clinches to come out and fight. He called me a bum. That's a funny way to describe a man who's winning the fight." - Floyd Patterson

From Patterson's biography by W.K.Stratton -
Within hours of the bout’s finale, Jackson began urinating blood. His mother took him to a Long Island hospital, where he was admitted with what was reported as kidney contusions, the result of the many body shots he’d taken from Patterson during the fight. The doctor who examined him diagnosed him as “fairly sick, but not dangerously so. He needs rest.” The doctor advised Jackson to remain in the hospital for a few days. The hospital staff admitted only one set of visitors — Floyd and Sandra Patterson, who arrived with Cus D’Amato. Jackson was shocked that the Pattersons came to see him. The mercurial Hurricane shook hands with the champ and wished him luck in his upcoming fights. Patterson left knowing that the tragic man-child Jackson was likely finished as a boxer of any significance.


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 09:46
by doug.ie
Lew Tendler retired from the ring in 1928. Because he was a great storyteller, he became an after dinner speaker. Years later, he opened a restaurant on South Broad Street in Philadelphia called “Lew Tendler’s Steak House.” The place was a landmark and gathering spot for sports fans and local politicians for decades. (he later opened a second restaurant in Atlantic City).

"I thought I knew where Lew’s restaurant was, and wouldn’t ask anybody the way. I soon got tired of walking, though, and ate in a place called Mike Banana’s. A minute after I had finished and left, I found Tendler’s, but I saw I couldn’t have eaten there anyway. I couldn’t even have got as far as the bar, it was so packed. The sidewalk on Broad Street in front of the restaurant was jammed right out to the curb, and gentlemen with embossed ears were struggling to keep from being pushed under taxicabs. Everybody who goes to Philadelphia for a fight meets at Tendler’s and tries to put the lug on somebody for a free ticket." - A.J. Liebling


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 10:13
by palooka
It sounds like something from Damon Runyon; it must have been fantastic to live in those times and have a bit of money.

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 16:24
by doug.ie
Courtesy of, and enhanced by, CBS* contributor JTheron

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 16:27
by palooka
Is that Charley Burley?

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 16:33
by Broomhall
palooka wrote:Is that Charley Burley?
No! its Charlie Bear-ley

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 16:43
by palooka
Broomhall wrote:
palooka wrote:Is that Charley Burley?
No! its Charlie Bear-ley
:OhYes: very good

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 31 Jan 2015, 16:58
by doug.ie
palooka wrote:Is that Charley Burley?
:TU:

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 01 Feb 2015, 15:22
by doug.ie
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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 11:17
by doug.ie
August 30, 1937 - Yankee Stadium, New York

Left to right: Jack Johnson, James J Braddock, Sixto Escobar, Ceferino Garcia, Fred Apostoli, Benny Leonard, Lou Ambers, Barney Ross, Pedro Montanez, Jack Sharkey (face covered), Mickey Walker, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Marcel Thil, Max Baer, Max Schmeling, Johnny Dundee.

(The night that Joe Louis outpointed Tommy Farr in his first world title defence)

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 13:35
by doug.ie
The story of the first meeting between heavyweight champion Max Baer and, unknown to him, Joe Louis.

"Say, kid, if i'm keeping you up, let's both go to sleep." - Everybody laughed, except Joe.

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 02 Feb 2015, 17:07
by doug.ie
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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 03 Feb 2015, 06:27
by doug.ie
1955

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 03 Feb 2015, 09:27
by doug.ie
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this was too big for the scanner, so this was just a photo taken with my phone....the full resolution image is here for anyone interested, although still not very clear...

click on image to enlarge when it loads...

http://i.imgur.com/QDc0kJI.jpg

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 03 Feb 2015, 10:20
by doug.ie
doug.ie wrote:August 30, 1937 - Yankee Stadium, New York

Left to right: Jack Johnson, James J Braddock, Sixto Escobar, Ceferino Garcia, Fred Apostoli, Benny Leonard, Lou Ambers, Barney Ross, Pedro Montanez, Jack Sharkey (face covered), Mickey Walker, Gene Tunney, Jack Dempsey, Marcel Thil, Max Baer, Max Schmeling, Johnny Dundee.

(The night that Joe Louis outpointed Tommy Farr in his first world title defence)
edit : some other images of this meeting i found and scanned...

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 03 Feb 2015, 12:45
by doug.ie
Billy Fox speaks in 1981 about his life in boxing as well as the infamous Jake LaMotta fight and it's aftermath for him...

(best of my knowledge he is still alive today....91 years old.)


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 03 Feb 2015, 16:49
by doug.ie
Some of the top personalities in boxing pay respects at the grave of middleweight great Stanley Ketchel on March 8, 1913, more than two years after he was murdered. A hired hand shot Ketchel at a ranch where he was staying in Conway, Mo., and the fighter died that night in Springfield. Ketchel was only 24. Pictured at Ketchel’s grave, at Holy Cross Cemetery in Grand Rapids, Mich., are (left to right) Jimmy Dunn, the manager of featherweight Johnny Kilbane; middleweight Jimmy Clabby; Kilbane; bantamweight Johnny Coulon; heavyweight Luther McCarty; and manager Billy McCarney.

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 04 Feb 2015, 13:52
by doug.ie
"One afternoon, Jack Dempsey strolled quietly into Stillman's gym on eight avenue and after passing the time of day with several old pals, he walked up on to the balcony while "Two Ton" Tony Galento was going through the motions of working out. Galento was fatter than ever, hopelessly out of condition and quite obviously doing nothing about it.

Anyway, he didn't see Dempsey and continued waddling lazily around the ring, clowning wisecracking and grinning as he fooled with his sparring parthers. After watching a couple of rounds Dempsey came down to ringside. He was wearing a beautifully cut light grey suit, tan and white shoes, and white silk shirt and when Tony caught a sight of him, he waved a glove at the ex champ.

''Hiya Jack" he grinned. ''You look like a million bucks dis afternoon'' Dempsey gave him a mean look, ''never mind how I look, you big bum" he said "lets see you do some work''

Galento must have thought he was joking, because he made no attempt to speed up his work and carried on ambling around until Dempsey blew up. ''Have you a pair of Gloves Ray?" called out Dempsey. Then taking off his coat, he stripped right down to his white silk, monogrammed underpants and vaulted into the ring.

''Now Tony'' he said ''it's you and me. I'II show you how we used to do it'' He began huming a little tune - and old Dempsey mannerism- and then, as Galento backed away, he flashed into action. Jack was 40 years old, but his body was lean and tanned, and for three memorable minutes he was the old Dempsey, the murderous, tearaway Manassa Mauler of the 1920's.

He ripped punches into Galento's podgy torso from all angles, split his lips with a terrific left and sent the blood spurting from his nose. ''Lay Off Jack'' Galento gasped as he staggered backwards vainly trying to cover up. But Dempsey showed him no mercy, he chased after him until time was called.

Still breathing easily Dempsey ducked under the ropes and began to dress, while Galento stood shaking his head in a semi daze and trying to wipe the blood from his face with the back of his gloves.

When dressed, Dempsey gave him one contemptuous look. ''That's how we used to fight!!" "

(Ray Arcel: A Boxing Biography)


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 04 Feb 2015, 15:40
by doug.ie
1912

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 07:23
by doug.ie
After retiring from boxing, Kid Berg became a movie stuntman, working mainly in Westerns, this gave him a wardrobe for life. He smoked cigars incessantly – Optimos that were sent to him from New York.

All his defeats apart from Canzoneri, Berg put down to the effects of womanising, which he believed weakened his legs, but which he said he couldn’t resist. He was particularly defiant about his defeat by Billy Petrolle, who had him down seven times - but only because, Berg insisted, “I was messing around with this particular broad.” Most of his big fights took place in the United States, and he had a penchant for the American vernacular. He finished boxing in 1946 at the age of 35, with an extraordinary record of 157 victories (with 61 knockouts), 26 losses, and nine draws. Known for his prodigious punch-rate, Berg’s moniker was “The Whitechapel Windmill” or, in America, “Whirlwind.”

He was managed by Frankie Jacobs and trained by the late Ray Arcel, that most distinguished and honourable of trainers, who saw off the Mob in the form of Frankie Carbo et al and regarded Berg as almost a son and his favourite fighter, even though Arcel trained many other champions, including Roberto Duran. Berg had arrived in his custody off a boat from England in 1928, when he was 18 and, according to Arcel, “Looked like a little girl.” Arcel was soon disabused of such notions. “Not only could he fight,” Arcel once recalled. “But he thought he was God’s gift to the ladies. You had to watch him like a hawk.”

Berg once said he was convinced one of his cornerman had been stabbed on the way to the ring to face Kid Chocolate.

In his last year or so Berg moved to the Essex coast. His wife Morya died before him. So did Ray Arcel. To the end he followed his usual routines. He remained friends with Kid Lewis’ son, Morgan, to the last, believing he had a protective duty towards him, and still went to Soho.

Despite his age Berg was still an active driver in his little red car, which he drove extremely aggressively, indeed specialising in curb side confrontations. He had been arrested for chinning another, much younger motorist, but turned up in court in a borrowed wheelchair and was let off.

Berg went to New York for the 90th birthday party of Ray Arcel. There, among a stellar cast that included Holmes, Graziano, Zale, LaMotta and Pep, as well as contemporary champions such as Breland and McGirt, Berg stole the show with an emotional speech about how much Arcel meant to him. On the way out, I was collared by an octogenarian former fighter who, pointing at Berg, announced, ‘Forget all the others. This is the guy. This guy is really the one.’
Coincidentally there was a musical named “Legs,” about the ‘30s gangster Legs Diamond, playing on Broadway at the time. Berg knew Diamond well, having once been threatened with death by him for attempting to chat up Diamond’s girlfriend at the Harding Hotel, where Berg lived one floor beneath Mae West. “We had to do a lot of fast talking to get out of it,” was Arcel’s recollection. Berg had also been au fait with Harlem nightlife, and was a regular at the Cotton Club, whose benefactor, Owney Madden (played in the movie by Bob Hoskins) had been a big Berg fan.

Once Berg took an interest in a Jewish fighter called Gary “Kid” Jacobs from Scotland, a useful welterweight apparently named in the tradition of Kid Lewis and Berg. Jacobs’s management did not know what they had let themselves in for by adopting this marketing strategy. Berg trailed him like a protective bloodhound, saying “Gary is the new me.” Jacobs, who was sensible enough to play along with it, asked Berg if he had any specific tips. “Lay off women before a fight,” Berg replied. “Just remember what happened with me and Billy Petrolle.”

He was someone who resolutely refused to countenance the banality of ordinary life, and was determined to live a mythic one, visiting again and again its landmarks. He himself had established them, after all.

(by Jonathan Rendall)


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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 12:11
by doug.ie
April 1, 1935

"Freddie Steele, Tacoma, was on top of the coast middleweight pile today, after stopping Fred Apostoli in the last round of their 10 round fight here last night. Steele and the young San Francisco bellhop put on a terrific battle, but the Tacoma veteran's experience told in the end. Steele was puzzled during the opening rounds by the crouching style employed by the former national amateur champion. Until the 6th they fought on fairly even terms, swinging furiously and slugging toe to toe. In the 6th Steele began boring in with a vicious body attack which so weakened Apostoli he fell down twice in the 9th without being hit. One minute after the last round got under way Referee Eddie Burns halted the contest to save Apostoli from further punishment." - Associated Press (April 2nd)

(Enhanced photo courtesy of CBS contributor JTheron)

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almost 3 years later this happened...

“It was one of the wildest, most boisterous evenings ever put on at the Garden. For sheer savagery there have been few fights like this one. They faced each other with lips curled back in a snarl and belted each other ceaselessly with both hands. It was the greatest middleweight fight seen around here in a generation, topping even the Greb-Walker brawl by many a sanguinary punch and of course, will have to be repeated outdoors next summer, this time with the title riding along.” - 1938 newspaper report of rematch of Fred Apostoli vs Middleweight Champion Freddie Steele in a non-title 12 round bout.

Freddie was stopped in the ninth round of that 1938 battle at Madison Square Garden, and by the time he staggered from the fray his breastbone was broken and his face horribly misshapen.

"Blood came in a cascade from Freddie Steele’s left eye, the right was just a slit and in the middle of his face was a ring of red where once a nose had been. At times he was bent double, like a small boy peering through a knothole in a fence. That was the lurid scene, as presented before 8,000 spellbound witnesses at Madison Square Garden last night, when mercifully they stopped the fight after 54 seconds of the ninth round to save the middleweight champion of the world from further punishment."
Apostoli called the victory, "The greatest of my life".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8KiGA4EEU



Billy Conn recalled Apostoli as, "The toughest fellow I ever fought. He was a great fighter.You couldn’t make a mistake with him because he could box real good, and he could punch real good. He was a real good-looking fellow, there wasn’t a mark on him. I wound up in the hospital for five days, he busted me up so bad in the second fight. I won both of them. I didn’t want too many fights like that. We disliked each other, hurling racial slurs such as ’Dago’ and ’Mick’. But later became friends"
Apostoli himself - "I wasn’t a boxer or fancy Dan. I liked to wade in and bang hard to the body.”


Boxing was tough in Freddie Steele’s time. The competition was so fierce and so consistent that fighters in general had a considerably shorter career span than their counterparts of the present era. Freddie Steele was a retired fighter by the age of twenty-eight, having had his first professional fight at fourteen. He campaigned for nearly fifteen years, won the world middleweight championship and regularly clocked up more than twelve fights in a calendar year.

https://vimeo.com/78451493

Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 14:42
by doug.ie
March 23, 1912 - San Francisco, California

Billed as a middleweight elimination fight at 158lbs, on the result Frank Klaus took over Jack Dillon’s claim at the weight. A wrestling match for much of the time, although Dillon was the better boxer of the pair he could not hurt Klaus, who just kept boring in. There were no knockdowns. However, both men butted each other on occasion, and while Dillon looked to have secured the points press reports intimated that the referee was swayed by Klaus’ last-ditch finish when giving the decision. (by Barry Hugman)

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Re: bits and pieces scrapbook

Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 16:19
by doug.ie
Don Cockell, Joe Erskine, Henry Cooper, Len Harvey, Jack Petersen, Johnny Williams, Tommy Farr....and Rocky Marciano

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