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keithmoonhangover wrote:

lefty wrote:How do you guys think eubank jnr would have done if he was in there tonight instead of Brook? Lasted a bit longer or taken out in quicker fashion?

Eubank ships a fair bit of punishment early, but lands a good few uppercuts. He spends far too much time on the ropes, which is where GGG brutalizes him for as long as it's allowed to last.

Yeah I can actually see that image playing out in my mind lol. Spot on I think.

keithmoonhangover wrote:

skanksta wrote:Paulie makes a good point there - 154lbs has the most talent and the smallest purses.
Better to lose to GGG and be a hero than the (to casuals) 'unknowns' like Landy, Boo-Boo Andrade etc.

It's got to be cash out vs Khan - @ catch weight ?

WTF are you on? Cash out? He's got one loss to his name FFS. Why the hell would he cash out? Utter balls.

I didn't mean he's finished - agree he's not.

Just that his next fight should be vs. Khan - big reward, low risk. (IF he can get back down to 147 ok).

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Then what you said was complete horsesh1t.

No.

Fighters duck each other all of the time.

I think at the right level it's the promoters and politics not the fighters. If Boxing had a single promoter / owner (like UFC for instance ) we'd see best v best all the time. I don't for one minute believe Canelo isn't 100% sure he'd beat GGG and vice versa.

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Then what you said was complete horsesh1t.

No.

Fighters duck each other all of the time.

I think at the right level it's the promoters and politics not the fighters. If Boxing had a single promoter / owner (like UFC for instance ) we'd see best v best all the time. I don't for one minute believe Canelo isn't 100% sure he'd beat GGG and vice versa.

Wales wrote:

Horse wrote:

keithmoonhangover wrote:Then what you said was complete horsesh1t.

No.

Fighters duck each other all of the time.

I think at the right level it's the promoters and politics not the fighters. If Boxing had a single promoter / owner (like UFC for instance ) we'd see best v best all the time. I don't for one minute believe Canelo isn't 100% sure he'd beat GGG and vice versa.

I agree. In UFC you don't get a choice to make comfy defenses for decent money, there's far too much fragmentation and politics in boxing.

Canelo turned pro at 15 and fought mayweather at 23. If there was one promoter running show and fight was put to him he, himself, would take it.

Elite fighters have a very special self belief in their own ability deep inside . If they didn't they wouldn't be where they are

lefty wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

lefty wrote:Apologies gents who I got a bit testy with. I am a bit pissed off I lost £250. It's not the end of the world though. My apologies

Did you predict the wrong round?

I put a bet on Brook to get stopped between 7 and 12. I had a bit too much faith in his ability to absorb punishment against a naturally bigger man- who is also a big puncher of course. Anyway that's gambling for ya huh, it's a mugs game lol.

Don't gamble what you aren't happy to lose mate.

Quick question about the official scoring. I've seen some people claim that Brook was ahead, but someone I know from another forum watched the whole Sky broadcast and said that the official scores were given as 38-38 x2 and 39-38.

Anyone have confirmation?

crusader wrote:Quick question about the official scoring. I've seen some people claim that Brook was ahead, but someone I know from another forum watched the whole Sky broadcast and said that the official scores were given as 38-38 x2 and 39-38.

Anyone have confirmation?

Mauricio Sulaiman tweeted

After 4 Brook was ahead in 1 judge 39-37 And 38-38 on THE other 2 https://t.co/ml0GvHRJQN

samwbr wrote:

crusader wrote:Quick question about the official scoring. I've seen some people claim that Brook was ahead, but someone I know from another forum watched the whole Sky broadcast and said that the official scores were given as 38-38 x2 and 39-38.

Anyone have confirmation?

Mauricio Sulaiman tweeted

After 4 Brook was ahead in 1 judge 39-37 And 38-38 on THE other 2 https://t.co/ml0GvHRJQN

Can`t see how Brook was ahead after 4. Level at best but 3 -1 down the most likely score on my card.

I watched the fight again tis morning. GGG just broke him down (as we expected). Brook was brave as hell and took some real punishment, but he could simply not hurt him.

It just goes to show how dominant GGG is when a guy lands a few shots on him, that have no real effect and people are going crazy over it. If we look beyond the fact that Brook actually landed some leather, GGG broke him down the same way he breaks them all down. The guy`s footwork is immense, perhaps the best I`v ever seen. He is like a non stop wall of pressure.

Brook didn't have enough power to trouble GGG - He did land some excellent power shots on GGG but never got him on the back foot - There was no way Brook was going to win that fight broken eye socket or not.

It was one weight to high for Brook in my opinion, especially going in against such a great fighter.

I'd love to see Brook go in against Khan and dismantle him.

I went to the fight with my daughter and I have a few observations, bearing in mind i had a decent seat but not great one.

I felt and was saying that GGG seemed to very early sense he was too strong and that Kell was not offering any power in return. He appeared to feel like rather than chasing Brook down, he could let them trade and even take a shot or two to encourage and empower Kell to stand and trade at times, long enough to be right in the danger zone and it appeared to work as I noticed a couple times in the 3rd (I think it was this round), Kell had space to move but tried to stand in the centre and trade.

I noticed that GGG cuts the ring down in a stunning fashion, it happens very fast. Steps to the side to cut it off, closes the gap, makes the other guy have to work harder than he wants and must make the ring seem very small.

I said to my daughter that something was wrong with Brooks face when he came out for I think it was the fourth, he looked puffed and in discomfort. I then thought he was cut as I saw him pawing at the face, above his right I eye I think it was.

In the end, it felt like Brook had moments, that GGG took more shots than he should of, but it was quickly aware that he could take shots so was not bothered and as predicted, brook was too small, too weak, not a middleweight and did not have enough to compete. Weight was a sidenote, GGG beats him anyway as his chin can take the shots, and he can cut down that ring, is accurate, powerful, aggressive and has good stamina to keep it going and wear anyone down.

Finally, the atmosphere was great. Before the main event, when all the music kicked in, Buffer explaining who was ringside, the crowd were going mental

Who saw Eubank Jr giving it large on Twitter? Fvcking clown.

I know he was gutted after the loss but I was not overly impressed with the Brook interview in the ring. Seemed like he was in denial that he lost to the better fighter. I know the eye was a big factor, but let`s have it right, it would not have changed the result.

Saying that he wobbled GGG and that he was expecting more power etc, I don`t like it. GGG seems like a straight u guy and when he said Brook was not a middleweight he was basically stating that the power was not there. He "just touched me". GGG seems like a respectful guy and he gave Kell his props, I think Kell should have taken the defeat for what it was, being broken down and outgunned by a better/stronger fighter. The eye socket, if it is broken, was broken by a punch after all.

What an exciting fight though. I was up shouting several times and was desperate for Kell to do it. He gave a great account whilst it lasted and showed for me that he has a fighting heart. GGG is something else though. He will reign at middle for as long as he wants. The only test for him is to move up to super middle and even there there are not too many tests.

As much as it pains me to say it, I am leaning towards GGG having beaten Hagler prime for prime. Bold statement, but I`ve never seen a fighter with footwork and constant power like GGG, plus his chin looks to be almost on Hagler`s level. What a fight that would have been.

Would love to see him fight Degale next.

tobyh5 wrote:I went to the fight with my daughter and I have a few observations, bearing in mind i had a decent seat but not great one.

I felt and was saying that GGG seemed to very early sense he was too strong and that Kell was not offering any power in return. He appeared to feel like rather than chasing Brook down, he could let them trade and even take a shot or two to encourage and empower Kell to stand and trade at times, long enough to be right in the danger zone and it appeared to work as I noticed a couple times in the 3rd (I think it was this round), Kell had space to move but tried to stand in the centre and trade.

I noticed that GGG cuts the ring down in a stunning fashion, it happens very fast. Steps to the side to cut it off, closes the gap, makes the other guy have to work harder than he wants and must make the ring seem very small.

I said to my daughter that something was wrong with Brooks face when he came out for I think it was the fourth, he looked puffed and in discomfort. I then thought he was cut as I saw him pawing at the face, above his right I eye I think it was.

In the end, it felt like Brook had moments, that GGG took more shots than he should of, but it was quickly aware that he could take shots so was not bothered and as predicted, brook was too small, too weak, not a middleweight and did not have enough to compete. Weight was a sidenote, GGG beats him anyway as his chin can take the shots, and he can cut down that ring, is accurate, powerful, aggressive and has good stamina to keep it going and wear anyone down.

Finally, the atmosphere was great. Before the main event, when all the music kicked in, Buffer explaining who was ringside, the crowd were going mental

Toby - very nice post, and I broadly agree.

I had a good seat. GGG was in control all the way through. The punches he took, mainly in the second, pretty much bounced off him, and were always when he's taken a decision to get inside.

It was a master class. Ward would probably keep him out of reach at 175, but Golovkin should just stay as a middleweight. He will join the legends there.

crusader wrote:

LancashireLoyal wrote:here we go,the fight we've all been waiting for!

Come on Paul...

Nothing beats a Paul Smith 6 rounder does it?

Loynesy wrote:The punches he took, mainly in the second, pretty much bounced off him, and were always when he's taken a decision to get inside.

I think that's what's really scary about him. Frazier used to want to get inside because that's where his best work lay, so if you could keep him away you could beat him. But Golovkin tries to get inside to pin you square, at which point his footwork's good enough to recreate that lost room as he unloads. The young Calzaghe was great at it, too. Clinches at point-blank are pretty safe, but Golovkin maintains just enough distance to turn your failed clinch into a nasty hook, body shot or uppercut; it's this knowledge of what could happen that makes you do nothing until something does! Tyson was also a bit of a master of it. (With Calzaghe it was the sheer number of punches rather than power that put you off trying to trade; not to say he couldn't dig.)

Most boxers assume an outside position after walking their opponent to a corner, waiting to see which way their man's looking to go before committing to stepping into range (Haye's good at making this classic approach work well because he's fast for a heavy). But Golovkin's able to magnetise himself to you because his chin lets him move forward a lot, and his power dissuades most from trying to stand their ground. So you're looking to get away once you're near the ropes, but he's straight in with pinning shots designed to lock you square if they don't knock you out, and then he stays with you as you escape to a corner, not taking the normal head-to-head position on the outside, but darting across to block the farside exit as he opens up. It's all because, unlike most boxers who smother their work as they fall in, he's able to 'fall out' while unloading. Just little, very small backward steps in-between salvos; amazing footwork and balance. He gets close and intimidates you into an unforced error, and then kicks back slightly to punish you. Timing- and reaction-wise, he makes most people look like they're in slow-motion.

It'll take someone with enough power to hurt him and the confidence to hold the centre to win. Anyone who runs away is toast; he'll always take more from you in damage than you take from him in tiredness. I'd really like to see him fight DeGale, Groves or Callum Smith next, but I think he's right to chase Saunders, Canelo and Eubank (likely in that order). Ward's taken himself off the radar unless he loses and returns to 168. If G were to fight and beat two from the first group, two from the second, and then finish his career with a win against Ward, he'd go down in history without question as one of the greatest middleweights. But I think he'd finder it tougher at 168 than some. His biggest enemy's age, but he's enough time left to make it abundantly clear who ran if certain fights don't happen in the next 12 months.

gilgamesh wrote:

lefty wrote:

magwitch wrote:
Easily done. After 6 rounds was not an unlikely outcome but I’d have been worried it would end sooner or even that Brook would extend him the distance.
At the end the day if Khan can take Canelo to 6 then you could see Kell doing the same here.

Well brook has always had a good chin on him so that's part of what gave me the faith he could make it into the second half of the fight. However, when Golovkin is on full on stalker mode like he was tonight it's extremely difficult to get into the second half of the fight.

Another thing I didn't properly take into consideration is that I don't believe Brook is the best mover in the world. I think both Munroe jnr who Golovkin has already beaten and Billy joe Saunders probably have a bit more mobility about them. However on the flipside they also have less power.

Based on what we saw tonight I'd say you got a better chance at beating GGG if you try to knock him out than you do trying to move and outbox him anyway. Golovkin is an excellent boxer in his own right, and is pretty great at cutting the ring off. I don't think anybody's gonna beat him by trying to outbox him. As crazy as it sounds the only way to beat Golovkin I think is to fight fire with fire and try to knock him out.

Thats what people are starting to realize now. I agreed with Macklin and Nelson when they were pretty much saying the same thing. He's a very high level pressure fighter but he ships shots in every fight. You have to get his respect by standing and banging with him and you have to throw combinations. When I think of Golovkin, I think of Vernon Forrests post fight interview after being KO'd by Mayorga. He said that you have to stand and bang with some guys no matter how good of a boxer you are, sometimes you just have no choice.

I think Triple G will be smart enough to remain at 160 where he enjoys his natural power and strength advantages. The only probably challenger at the moment for me is Eubank Jr. At least he throws combinations and loads up on UPPERCUTS which Triple G always seems to get hit with. Eubank Jr. loves a tear up and if he has inherited his fathers chin, the fight gets even more interesting. I don't think Jacobs has the chin to hang around long enough. Triple G will just walk through BJS.

tobyh5 wrote:I went to the fight with my daughter and I have a few observations, bearing in mind i had a decent seat but not great one.

I felt and was saying that GGG seemed to very early sense he was too strong and that Kell was not offering any power in return. He appeared to feel like rather than chasing Brook down, he could let them trade and even take a shot or two to encourage and empower Kell to stand and trade at times, long enough to be right in the danger zone and it appeared to work as I noticed a couple times in the 3rd (I think it was this round), Kell had space to move but tried to stand in the centre and trade.

I noticed that GGG cuts the ring down in a stunning fashion, it happens very fast. Steps to the side to cut it off, closes the gap, makes the other guy have to work harder than he wants and must make the ring seem very small.

I said to my daughter that something was wrong with Brooks face when he came out for I think it was the fourth, he looked puffed and in discomfort. I then thought he was cut as I saw him pawing at the face, above his right I eye I think it was.

In the end, it felt like Brook had moments, that GGG took more shots than he should of, but it was quickly aware that he could take shots so was not bothered and as predicted, brook was too small, too weak, not a middleweight and did not have enough to compete. Weight was a sidenote, GGG beats him anyway as his chin can take the shots, and he can cut down that ring, is accurate, powerful, aggressive and has good stamina to keep it going and wear anyone down.

Finally, the atmosphere was great. Before the main event, when all the music kicked in, Buffer explaining who was ringside, the crowd were going mental

Nice post. The atmosphere looked mental. I was watching at a bar and everyone was really up for it. Most seemed to have bought the Triple G hype before the fight. I heard a few comments like, "The first body shot and it's over" from what sounded like casuals. The fight itself was terrific, all action. Both Brook and Triple G came out of it with great credit and gained more fans. Ultimately, I think everyone seemed to come away with the feeling that they just saw something special and in that sense, it was a great night for boxing.

Grilling Machine wrote:

Loynesy wrote:The punches he took, mainly in the second, pretty much bounced off him, and were always when he's taken a decision to get inside.

I think that's what's really scary about him. Frazier used to want to get inside because that's where his best work lay, so if you could keep him away you could beat him. But Golovkin tries to get inside to pin you square, at which point his footwork's good enough to recreate that lost room as he unloads. The young Calzaghe was great at it, too. Clinches at point-blank are pretty safe, but Golovkin maintains just enough distance to turn your failed clinch into a nasty hook, body shot or uppercut; it's this knowledge of what could happen that makes you do nothing until something does! Tyson was also a bit of a master of it. (With Calzaghe it was the sheer number of punches rather than power that put you off trying to trade; not to say he couldn't dig.)

Most boxers assume an outside position after walking their opponent to a corner, waiting to see which way their man's looking to go before committing to stepping into range (Haye's good at making this classic approach work well because he's fast for a heavy). But Golovkin's able to magnetise himself to you because his chin lets him move forward a lot, and his power dissuades most from trying to stand their ground. So you're looking to get away once you're near the ropes, but he's straight in with pinning shots designed to lock you square if they don't knock you out, and then he stays with you as you escape to a corner, not taking the normal head-to-head position on the outside, but darting across to block the farside exit as he opens up. It's all because, unlike most boxers who smother their work as they fall in, he's able to 'fall out' while unloading. Just little, very small backward steps in-between salvos; amazing footwork and balance. He gets close and intimidates you into an unforced error, and then kicks back slightly to punish you. Timing- and reaction-wise, he makes most people look like they're in slow-motion.

It'll take someone with enough power to hurt him and the confidence to hold the centre to win. Anyone who runs away is toast; he'll always take more from you in damage than you take from him in tiredness. I'd really like to see him fight DeGale, Groves or Callum Smith next, but I think he's right to chase Saunders, Canelo and Eubank (likely in that order). Ward's taken himself off the radar unless he loses and returns to 168. If G were to fight and beat two from the first group, two from the second, and then finish his career with a win against Ward, he'd go down in history without question as one of the greatest middleweights. But I think he'd finder it tougher at 168 than some. His biggest enemy's age, but he's enough time left to make it abundantly clear who ran if certain fights don't happen in the next 12 months.

Good post.

ILikeBeer wrote:Who saw Eubank Jr giving it large on Twitter? Fvcking clown.

Twitter disses Eubank Jr.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1766288/ ... -golovkin/

ILikeBeer wrote:

ILikeBeer wrote:Who saw Eubank Jr giving it large on Twitter? Fvcking clown.

Twitter disses Eubank Jr.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/1766288/ ... -golovkin/

Top writing from the Sun again,"trainer Brendan Ingle...."

The Sun has gone downhill since they stopped having topless women on Page 3.

Hearn just posted the official cards.....two judges gave Brook the first

I've seen rumors that Casimero-Edwards was level at the time of the stoppage too, although no concrete proof for that.

https://twitter.com/EddieHearn/status/7 ... 2129720320

crusader wrote:Hearn just posted the official cards.....two judges gave Brook the first

Nothing wrong with that.