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i cant see yoka's side accepting a joyce fight. why fight the steamroller right now, one that prob beats him and at minimum is super high risk, when yoka can attract decent home audiences to run his record up and position himself to a more lucrative title shot, all while letting joyce get older and older.

joyce just is not the right opponent for younger hws who can draw decently on their own and build up their own title shot

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 02:07 i cant see yoka's side accepting a joyce fight. why fight the steamroller right now, one that prob beats him and at minimum is super high risk, when yoka can attract decent home audiences to run his record up and position himself to a more lucrative title shot, all while letting joyce get older and older.

joyce just is not the right opponent for younger hws who can draw decently on their own and build up their own title shot

Its the biggest non title fight out there for yoka, olympic rematch is a great story line, thats a legit PPV i think. (in france and england anyway)

Yoka is 29 who was a gold medalist who has been boxing high levle for a long time... If he could get the WBO mandatory on the line and fight joyce and win then that would set him up for mabey 1 or 2 home tune ups / low risk fights.. then by the time WBO mandatory is due he will be 30 minimum, mabey even 31...

This isnt some 22 year old making too big a leaps, eventualy you have to pull the trigger and see hwo good you are.

how much money do you think guys make fighting JJ? how lucrative is he outside of a mandatory title shot? i mean his own promoter tried to get him beat just 2 fights ago

there are bigger opponents out there for yoka to shoot for before taking on the semi truck. imagine getting run over by joe joyce before having even won a euro title when you could've built your record up some more and gotten a world title fight with aj or something like that

fighting a 7 years older + still highly dangerous + not very big draw in a non-title fight just doesnt seem like the right move for a marketable younger hw. but hey, i'd love to see it happen, im just not counting on it

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 02:26 how much money do you think guys make fighting JJ? how lucrative is he outside of a mandatory title shot? i mean his own promoter tried to get him beat just 2 fights ago

there are bigger opponents out there for yoka to shoot for before taking on the semi truck. imagine getting run over by joe joyce before having even won a euro title when you could've built your record up some more and gotten a world title fight with aj or something like that

fighting a 7 years older + still highly dangerous + not very big draw in a non-title fight just doesnt seem like the right move for a marketable younger hw. but hey, i'd love to see it happen, im just not counting on it

Joyce vs DDD they were both making over a million pounds wernt they? thats pretty good. I think joyces name has gotten way bigger since then, and while DDD was more hyped mabey than Yoka i think Joyce Vs Yoka can be made into just as big a fight when you play the olympic rematch and for a mandatory vs joshua card...... Can get revenue from UK, France, And chuck it on ESPN with Yokas link up. Joyce would be as good a pay day as yoka could get anytime soon.

What path is Yoka taking to a world title though? He has refused the IBF i assume, (Vsing hgovic is a bit like vsing joyce but for fornicate all money...) If he isnt interested in the WBO mando, and has no ranking in WBA and WBC... and seemingly no fans outside of france, which has a cruel bonus that he cant fight the only draw in france (takem) because they are mates...

Yoka was beating parker in youth world champs, Then winning gold medals in Rio, and yet somehow its too soon for him to start looking at a path to a belt? If he at least got moving he could be there when the belts fracture, but at this point thats not even looking likely.

Joyce and Dubois getting in the millions for fighting each other is crazy money.

Takam got £1m for fighting AJ and £500,000 for fighting Chisora.

Chisora got about £5m for fighting Parker.

Honestly - these figures for U.K. HWs are crazy money.

Wilder got $4m for his first fight with Fury, $2m for his fist fight with Ortiz. Yet Chisora is getting $5m …

Yoka's career has been stuttering along. I don't know how popular he is in France at moment (he definitely was once but he hasn't been active as a pro and not fought in any even medium profile fights...also France isn't a big boxing country).

Globally as a pro, despite his medal, he's hardly a name. I think he, his management know he's not going to do much as a pro unless he's super well matched. He's known to be chinny and got smacked about and stopped by a fat Turkish (?) guy in the WSB.

I'd love to see him fight the Juggernaut and believe Joe would stop him in 8. It would give Yoka a good payday. Not sure what Joyce would get out of it career wise but the payday and revenge angle would be sweet. I believe, given commitments, Joe will have another fight before the world title so this would be perfect.

And Yoka will have to be scraped off the canvas, possibly in tears after the thunderous juggernaught rolls over him. :-)

The way Yoka is going, and the pecking order for the HW’s, only 2 world champions, Yoka ain’t gonna get a world title shot in the next 3 years..

Boxers ain’t risking anything now.

Just wait for the payday.. and it’s not even guaranteed..

Wales wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 03:24 Joyce and Dubois getting in the millions for fighting each other is crazy money.

Takam got £1m for fighting AJ and £500,000 for fighting Chisora.

Chisora got about £5m for fighting Parker.

Honestly - these figures for U.K. HWs are crazy money.

Wilder got $4m for his first fight with Fury, $2m for his fist fight with Ortiz. Yet Chisora is getting $5m …

Hmmm. I’d be very surprised if Dubois/Joyce got £1m each for that. No crowd, no PPv income. I can’t see BT giving FW £2.5m to put the show on!

Also I’d be amazed if that Chisora £5m is accurate. Matchroom aren’t going to lose money putting on a PPV like that. Where did you get that from?

Absolutely no idea mate only what I read in an article not going to trawl for it now but quick google ….

https://www.sportingfree.com/boxing/der ... e-payouts/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spor ... e-payouts/

Wales wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:39 Absolutely no idea mate only what I read in an article not going to trawl for it now but quick google ….

https://www.sportingfree.com/boxing/der ... e-payouts/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spor ... e-payouts/

Both of those are rubbish mate.

The sum of the purses for Chisora/Parker show would be like £9m!

The Dubois/Joyce payouts make reference to PPV splits. It wasn’t on PPV. Just complete guessing and I’d say that he majority of us on here would be more qualified to guess how much they’re on.

maverick23 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 13:32

Wales wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 12:39 Absolutely no idea mate only what I read in an article not going to trawl for it now but quick google ….

https://www.sportingfree.com/boxing/der ... e-payouts/

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spor ... e-payouts/

Both of those are rubbish mate.

The sum of the purses for Chisora/Parker show would be like £9m!

The Dubois/Joyce payouts make reference to PPV splits. It wasn’t on PPV. Just complete guessing and I’d say that he majority of us on here would be more qualified to guess how much they’re on.

Yh, especially Sportek as well. They just estimates based on previous purses etc.

Accurate sources are the likes of Dan Rafael and Mike Coppinger etc. , cus he gets them from the commissions. Now Nevada have said they don’t need to report any payouts either.

UK purses we can only go off promoters and take their word for it.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 11:52 The way Yoka is going, and the pecking order for the HW’s, only 2 world champions, Yoka ain’t gonna get a world title shot in the next 3 years..

Boxers ain’t risking anything now.

Just wait for the payday.. and it’s not even guaranteed..

Ain't that the truth , trouble is in the current climate their careers will be over before they know it .
They'll be so many regret not taking opportunities .

lol ya, okay, yoka's best move now is cashing out with a ko loss to joyce

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 16:29 lol ya, okay, yoka's best move now is cashing out with a ko loss to joyce

Or if he actually has belief.. he would go in there thinking he could win.

people here who think joyce would steamroll yoka also think yoka should just go straight into that fight right now


basically what theyre saying is they just want to see yoka beaten up

I think with the tailback building up behind a crack at AJ or the winner of Fury v Wilder (if it ever happens), Joyce v Yoka is a lucrative match up for the European title.

The winner also (in theory) eliminates the other at first shot at one of the world champions.

Joyce wins this one and his next fight should unequivocally be for the world title, the clamour will have gained as much fervour as you're going to get for big Joe.....if Yoka wins and then he leapfrogs Joyce and you could have two gold medalists squaring off. This is very intriguing stuff

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 17:15 I think with the tailback building up behind a crack at AJ or the winner of Fury v Wilder (if it ever happens), Joyce v Yoka is a lucrative match up for the European title.

The winner also (in theory) eliminates the other at first shot at one of the world champions.

Joyce wins this one and his next fight should unequivocally be for the world title, the clamour will have gained as much fervour as you're going to get for big Joe.....if Yoka wins and then he leapfrogs Joyce and you could have two gold medalists squaring off. This is very intriguing stuff

Joyce isn’t going to be fighting for a world title in the next 18 months - 2 years..

Usyk is going to cover the WBO mandatory, then it may we’ll be unifications and then it will be the other mandatories again before the WBO will call there’s. Unless the title gets vacated then I can’t see Joe fighting for it. More chance of Dubois as the WBA will be having their mandatory before the WBO goes again.

maverick23 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 04:18

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 17:15 I think with the tailback building up behind a crack at AJ or the winner of Fury v Wilder (if it ever happens), Joyce v Yoka is a lucrative match up for the European title.

The winner also (in theory) eliminates the other at first shot at one of the world champions.

Joyce wins this one and his next fight should unequivocally be for the world title, the clamour will have gained as much fervour as you're going to get for big Joe.....if Yoka wins and then he leapfrogs Joyce and you could have two gold medalists squaring off. This is very intriguing stuff

Joyce isn’t going to be fighting for a world title in the next 18 months - 2 years..

Usyk is going to cover the WBO mandatory, then it may we’ll be unifications and then it will be the other mandatories again before the WBO will call there’s. Unless the title gets vacated then I can’t see Joe fighting for it. More chance of Dubois as the WBA will be having their mandatory before the WBO goes again.

I heard somewhere (probably eddie) that they managed to make usyk the WBA and WBO mandatory because he was top ranked in both.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 16:49 basically what theyre saying is they just want to see yoka beaten up

gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 06:09

maverick23 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 04:18

THEBUTCH wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 17:15 I think with the tailback building up behind a crack at AJ or the winner of Fury v Wilder (if it ever happens), Joyce v Yoka is a lucrative match up for the European title.

The winner also (in theory) eliminates the other at first shot at one of the world champions.

Joyce wins this one and his next fight should unequivocally be for the world title, the clamour will have gained as much fervour as you're going to get for big Joe.....if Yoka wins and then he leapfrogs Joyce and you could have two gold medalists squaring off. This is very intriguing stuff

Joyce isn’t going to be fighting for a world title in the next 18 months - 2 years..

Usyk is going to cover the WBO mandatory, then it may we’ll be unifications and then it will be the other mandatories again before the WBO will call there’s. Unless the title gets vacated then I can’t see Joe fighting for it. More chance of Dubois as the WBA will be having their mandatory before the WBO goes again.

I heard somewhere (probably eddie) that they managed to make usyk the WBA and WBO mandatory because he was top ranked in both.

Who’s IBF next in line?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:04

gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 06:09

maverick23 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 04:18

Joyce isn’t going to be fighting for a world title in the next 18 months - 2 years..

Usyk is going to cover the WBO mandatory, then it may we’ll be unifications and then it will be the other mandatories again before the WBO will call there’s. Unless the title gets vacated then I can’t see Joe fighting for it. More chance of Dubois as the WBA will be having their mandatory before the WBO goes again.

I heard somewhere (probably eddie) that they managed to make usyk the WBA and WBO mandatory because he was top ranked in both.

Who’s IBF next in line?

https://box.live/world-rankings/ibf/

I can scarcely believe my eyes but Charles Martin is their number one contender!

So, Joyce vs Charles Martin next then, please.

Cyclops wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:09

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:04

gregregegg wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 06:09

I heard somewhere (probably eddie) that they managed to make usyk the WBA and WBO mandatory because he was top ranked in both.

Who’s IBF next in line?

https://box.live/world-rankings/ibf/

I can scarcely believe my eyes but Charles Martin is their number one contender!

So, Joyce vs Charles Martin next then, please.

Joyce is 9..

Have they done any final eliminator? Hrgovic is 3 and Parker is 4..

Interesting..

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:11

Cyclops wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:09

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:04

Who’s IBF next in line?

https://box.live/world-rankings/ibf/

I can scarcely believe my eyes but Charles Martin is their number one contender!

So, Joyce vs Charles Martin next then, please.

Joyce is 9..

Have they done any final eliminator? Hrgovic is 3 and Parker is 4..

Interesting..

Who is the 19-0-0 profile photo-less mystery man 'McKean' at 10? Anybody able to shed any light on him? He's ranked higher than Wallin, Hughie Fury, Zhang and Bakole. What's he all about then? Where's he from? Who has he fought? What does he look like? How tall is he?

What's his first name?

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/702784 He's Australian and has wins over Heavyweight Titans Jonathon Rice and Scott Belshaw. How could I have missed him?

Cyclops wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:25

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:11

Cyclops wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 09:09
https://box.live/world-rankings/ibf/

I can scarcely believe my eyes but Charles Martin is their number one contender!

So, Joyce vs Charles Martin next then, please.

Joyce is 9..

Have they done any final eliminator? Hrgovic is 3 and Parker is 4..

Interesting..

Who is the 19-0-0 profile photo-less mystery man 'McKean' at 10? Anybody able to shed any light on him? He's ranked higher than Wallin, Hughie Fury, Zhang and Bakole. What's he all about then? Where's he from? Who has he fought? What does he look like? How tall is he?

What's his first name?

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/702784 He's Australian and has wins over Heavyweight Titans Jonathon Rice and Scott Belshaw. How could I have missed him?

Didn't Frank (as he was then) say Scott Belshaw was a white Lennox Lewis lol

i have seen mckean fight several times, he's actually not bad, 6'6 and with good movement and speed for a guy that size, but lacking in power and strength. a bit of a fencer type who i think would be most vulnerable to strong rugged fighters.

no way he could hold jj off for more than a few rounds and he'll be in over his head at that level, but he's not sh1t. he'd be an interesting opponent for someone like fabio wardley or the cabbage. he is probably a top 40 fighter or so