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Gnome wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 03:20

londonwar wrote: ↑10 May 2026, 11:02 i noted the groan from the crowd when allegedly said there was a rematch clause. He seemed momentarily flumoxed by that

Rematches are a plague in boxing. We want the next fella to have a go!
Wardley needs a nice long rest and Dubois' next fight should be a different challenger - and it should be Kabayel. What more does that poor guy have to do?

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 07:27 In hindsight, how on earth did Wardley beat Parker - I guess Parker's lack of power was the difference, and also some very poor officiating in my book, as Parker did not look to be in much trouble at all, and was evading most of Wardley's shots.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 07:27

Gnome wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 03:20

londonwar wrote: ↑10 May 2026, 11:02 i noted the groan from the crowd when allegedly said there was a rematch clause. He seemed momentarily flumoxed by that

Rematches are a plague in boxing. We want the next fella to have a go!
Wardley needs a nice long rest and Dubois' next fight should be a different challenger - and it should be Kabayel. What more does that poor guy have to do?

There is zero point in a rematch, has Wardley been shagging Warren's missus or something, why would you want to put him through that again, he got absolutely smashed to pieces.

In hindsight, how on earth did Wardley beat Parker - I guess Parker's lack of power was the difference, and also some very poor officiating in my book, as Parker did not look to be in much trouble at all, and was evading most of Wardley's shots.

Controversial wrote: ↑10 May 2026, 13:53 Wardley just shows how far will to win, determination, fitness, heart, chin, power and desire can get you even with limited ability. Most of those attributes can’t be taught

My old trainer , many years ago said to me , certain boxers , if you were to put them on a slab , and cut them open , have a good look inside , and you will find something in there different to the rest of us .

Guess Fabio fits that description .

. Oh by the way , i agree with others it ws'nt a great BOXING fight , well technicly it was rubbish , BUT it was a absolute THRILLING FIGHT , until it was,nt , which was when i started shouting at the tele , Davidson ya fooking glory hunting idiot throw the facking towel in ,, .

Strange is'nt it British refs always save foreigners , but others can get pumelled

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:25 Playing devils advocate it wasn't a straight forward call to make. Wardley was “champ” and although taking a beating he was still throwing and already had Dubois down twice. We have the luxury of close up cameras and instant replays, yes he stumbled but it was quick and not impossible to miss. I don’t think Davison would intentionally put Wardley at risk if he knew he was on shaky legs so I give him the benefit of the doubt that he missed it. If Wardley sparked Dubois at the start of the 11th then all this would be viewed differently. I do think it needed stopping earlier though but can see why it wasn’t.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:47

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:25 Playing devils advocate it wasn't a straight forward call to make. Wardley was “champ” and although taking a beating he was still throwing and already had Dubois down twice. We have the luxury of close up cameras and instant replays, yes he stumbled but it was quick and not impossible to miss. I don’t think Davison would intentionally put Wardley at risk if he knew he was on shaky legs so I give him the benefit of the doubt that he missed it. If Wardley sparked Dubois at the start of the 11th then all this would be viewed differently. I do think it needed stopping earlier though but can see why it wasn’t.

The referee, doctors and corners primary responsibility is duty of care of the fighters.

Simple as that.

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:03

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:47

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:25 Playing devils advocate it wasn't a straight forward call to make. Wardley was “champ” and although taking a beating he was still throwing and already had Dubois down twice. We have the luxury of close up cameras and instant replays, yes he stumbled but it was quick and not impossible to miss. I don’t think Davison would intentionally put Wardley at risk if he knew he was on shaky legs so I give him the benefit of the doubt that he missed it. If Wardley sparked Dubois at the start of the 11th then all this would be viewed differently. I do think it needed stopping earlier though but can see why it wasn’t.

The referee, doctors and corners primary responsibility is duty of care of the fighters.

Simple as that.

Yeah I agree, I think it should’ve been stopped earlier but I meant in terms of Davison saying he didn’t see him stumble, I don’t think he would ignore that if he saw it. Always easy to be wise after the event. as I said earlier if Wardley sparked Dubois in the 11th the debate would be different.

coneye wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:47

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:03

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:47

The referee, doctors and corners primary responsibility is duty of care of the fighters.

Simple as that.

Yeah I agree, I think it should’ve been stopped earlier but I meant in terms of Davison saying he didn’t see him stumble, I don’t think he would ignore that if he saw it. Always easy to be wise after the event. as I said earlier if Wardley sparked Dubois in the 11th the debate would be different.

I think it highlights the problem of inexperienced , Utube / boxercise trainers , who talk and bluff there way to the top , without the experience of years and hundreds if not thousands of rnds under there belt , An experienced cornerman /trainer , would / could , see although Wardley was spent , yes for sure he was throwing the odd haymaker but there was nothing in it , just a wild swing attached too an hope and a prayer , he had just taken toooo much punishment , it was'nt the same has when he stopped Huni he had not took MASSIVE punches of a renowned banger . Davidson FAILED to see that , he did'nt have the eye , the eye that comes from thousands of rnds in a corner , I seen it and i live in Australia , i'm suprised he did'nt here me shouting stop it ya foooking idiot , (neighbor, doing work in his garden , 8am sunday morning did . LOL )

It was just out and out bad corner work , OK he had others there with him but the buck stops with him , he's on centre stage he takes the credit for wins , , Did'nt see him stumble is not an excuse that was a couple seconds of 3-4 rnds too much , but he could see his splattered nose , his lack of vision , his sloppy swinging , his getting countered with BIG SHOTS . he has no excuse except for one INEXPERIENCE and should'nt be in there has head trainer , up till now he has blagged his way and got away with inexperience , because the fighters themselves have known what to do , but this time its a fighter who did'nt have the experience , just a punch and a chin , it did'nt work for him and Davidson had no idea on what to tell him , he certainly did'nt tell him hands up use the jab because on the odd occasion he did use the jab he connected , it was all a wing and a prayer hoping a wild punch would put him up ther has better than Angelo Dundee and Eddie Futch ,, . Managers and fighters are also too blame because there happy to go lick his arse , because he's the man of the moment due more to his freindship with Fury and Saunders , i don't doubt he may be a good fitness coach , but his boxing Knoledge all seems to be repeating what others have said and stating the bloody obvious ,

Moses is lucky he's got Warren looking after him Warren he's a guy who knows his boxing which is why he's holding him back , personaly i would'nt be too confident about Moses stepping up too much with Davidson behind him

coneye wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:47

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:03

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:47

The referee, doctors and corners primary responsibility is duty of care of the fighters.

Simple as that.

Yeah I agree, I think it should’ve been stopped earlier but I meant in terms of Davison saying he didn’t see him stumble, I don’t think he would ignore that if he saw it. Always easy to be wise after the event. as I said earlier if Wardley sparked Dubois in the 11th the debate would be different.

I think it highlights the problem of inexperienced , Utube / boxercise trainers , who talk and bluff there way to the top , without the experience of years and hundreds if not thousands of rnds under there belt , An experienced cornerman /trainer , would / could , see although Wardley was spent , yes for sure he was throwing the odd haymaker but there was nothing in it , just a wild swing attached too an hope and a prayer , he had just taken toooo much punishment , it was'nt the same has when he stopped Huni he had not took MASSIVE punches of a renowned banger . Davidson FAILED to see that , he did'nt have the eye , the eye that comes from thousands of rnds in a corner , I seen it and i live in Australia , i'm suprised he did'nt here me shouting stop it ya foooking idiot , (neighbor, doing work in his garden , 8am sunday morning did . LOL )

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 06:23

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 May 2026, 20:31 It wasn't World Title level it was Domestic level. So you're saying that because you don't think these guys are legitimate World Champions or Top 5 contenders for some reason then it wasn't a Great fight on that basis. The knockdowns, The drama, the blood, the rallying back from the brink of defeat, the toughness to keep taking devastating punch after devastating punch...but it wasn't good because they weren't World Class?

I don't know man. I don't get it.

Usyk is the Undisputed Champion in my eyes so the WBO Belt is fairly inconsequential in the Grand Scheme of things, but Dubois vs Wardley being a great fight certainly cannot be argued.

If that wasn't a great fight to you. Then I'd legit like to know what in your opinion are the 5 greatest fights you've seen. Because we must just be looking for different things out of what we consider a great fight to be.

There are loads of better fights out there

Holyfield v Bowe 1 and 2, and maybe 3. Foreman v Lyle. Marciano v Walcott and Ezzard Charles. There are plenty more, just a few off the top of my head.

Castillo V corralles, Gatti v Ward, Pintor v Gomez, there are countless better fights at world class/contender levels with far more back and forth and dramatic swings. The first Mosley v DLH, The first two Morales and Barrera fights, Leonard v Hearns 1, Morales v Pacquaio 1 and 2. There are hordes of better fights

This fight had drama, but at least 4 rounds was just watching a man getting bludgeoned to bits and lurching around the ring, nothing edifying or wonderful about that.

Dubois was never really close to being stopped, they were flash knock downs, it's being well overyped this fight,

gilgamesh wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 12:55

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 06:23

gilgamesh wrote: ↑10 May 2026, 20:31 It wasn't World Title level it was Domestic level. So you're saying that because you don't think these guys are legitimate World Champions or Top 5 contenders for some reason then it wasn't a Great fight on that basis. The knockdowns, The drama, the blood, the rallying back from the brink of defeat, the toughness to keep taking devastating punch after devastating punch...but it wasn't good because they weren't World Class?

I don't know man. I don't get it.

Usyk is the Undisputed Champion in my eyes so the WBO Belt is fairly inconsequential in the Grand Scheme of things, but Dubois vs Wardley being a great fight certainly cannot be argued.

If that wasn't a great fight to you. Then I'd legit like to know what in your opinion are the 5 greatest fights you've seen. Because we must just be looking for different things out of what we consider a great fight to be.

There are loads of better fights out there

Holyfield v Bowe 1 and 2, and maybe 3. Foreman v Lyle. Marciano v Walcott and Ezzard Charles. There are plenty more, just a few off the top of my head.

Castillo V corralles, Gatti v Ward, Pintor v Gomez, there are countless better fights at world class/contender levels with far more back and forth and dramatic swings. The first Mosley v DLH, The first two Morales and Barrera fights, Leonard v Hearns 1, Morales v Pacquaio 1 and 2. There are hordes of better fights

This fight had drama, but at least 4 rounds was just watching a man getting bludgeoned to bits and lurching around the ring, nothing edifying or wonderful about that.

Dubois was never really close to being stopped, they were flash knock downs, it's being well overyped this fight,

You don't see the irony of what you're doing here? You're saying that you think it wasn't all that great of a fight, and then to try to sh*t on it by naming all of the fights it's not better than you're having to resort to the absolute best fights of all time

So even if it was let's say the 15th best fight of all time or the 25th. That's not praise worthy to you?

paultom wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 15:06 It wasn't a great fight, way too one sided for me, bar the two knockdowns it was Wardley throwing hay makers that missed by a country mile, and then watching him get the beating of a lifetime for the last few rounds. Great fights are usually back and forth action, this was far from that.

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 09:25 Playing devils advocate it wasn't a straight forward call to make. Wardley was “champ” and although taking a beating he was still throwing and already had Dubois down twice. We have the luxury of close up cameras and instant replays, yes he stumbled but it was quick and not impossible to miss. I don’t think Davison would intentionally put Wardley at risk if he knew he was on shaky legs so I give him the benefit of the doubt that he missed it. If Wardley sparked Dubois at the start of the 11th then all this would be viewed differently. I do think it needed stopping earlier though but can see why it wasn’t.

paultom wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 15:06 It wasn't a great fight, way too one sided for me, bar the two knockdowns it was Wardley throwing hay makers that missed by a country mile, and then watching him get the beating of a lifetime for the last few rounds. Great fights are usually back and forth action, this was far from that.

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 11:11

coneye wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:47

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:03

Yeah I agree, I think it should’ve been stopped earlier but I meant in terms of Davison saying he didn’t see him stumble, I don’t think he would ignore that if he saw it. Always easy to be wise after the event. as I said earlier if Wardley sparked Dubois in the 11th the debate would be different.

I think it highlights the problem of inexperienced , Utube / boxercise trainers , who talk and bluff there way to the top , without the experience of years and hundreds if not thousands of rnds under there belt , An experienced cornerman /trainer , would / could , see although Wardley was spent , yes for sure he was throwing the odd haymaker but there was nothing in it , just a wild swing attached too an hope and a prayer , he had just taken toooo much punishment , it was'nt the same has when he stopped Huni he had not took MASSIVE punches of a renowned banger . Davidson FAILED to see that , he did'nt have the eye , the eye that comes from thousands of rnds in a corner , I seen it and i live in Australia , i'm suprised he did'nt here me shouting stop it ya foooking idiot , (neighbor, doing work in his garden , 8am sunday morning did . LOL )

I know Davison gets a lot of stick but the fitness / boxercise label doesn't hold up as he's been with many top fighters and been in several big fights over a number of years now. There are several "great" trainers who had no boxing experience themselves. No one is perfect and we all make errors and mistakes, was it worse than legendary trainer Angelo Dundee watching Ali being punched at will against Holmes with zero chance of winning, he or the ref should've stopped that far earlier but didn't. I agree with what you say 100% but we are looking at if after the event with hindsight, if Wardley knocked Dubois out late people would say Davison was right to let it continue. It's also ironic that Howard Foster who is often criticised for early or poor stoppages let this go on too long.

coneye wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 17:10

Controversial wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 11:11

coneye wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 10:47

I think it highlights the problem of inexperienced , Utube / boxercise trainers , who talk and bluff there way to the top , without the experience of years and hundreds if not thousands of rnds under there belt , An experienced cornerman /trainer , would / could , see although Wardley was spent , yes for sure he was throwing the odd haymaker but there was nothing in it , just a wild swing attached too an hope and a prayer , he had just taken toooo much punishment , it was'nt the same has when he stopped Huni he had not took MASSIVE punches of a renowned banger . Davidson FAILED to see that , he did'nt have the eye , the eye that comes from thousands of rnds in a corner , I seen it and i live in Australia , i'm suprised he did'nt here me shouting stop it ya foooking idiot , (neighbor, doing work in his garden , 8am sunday morning did . LOL )

I know Davison gets a lot of stick but the fitness / boxercise label doesn't hold up as he's been with many top fighters and been in several big fights over a number of years now. There are several "great" trainers who had no boxing experience themselves. No one is perfect and we all make errors and mistakes, was it worse than legendary trainer Angelo Dundee watching Ali being punched at will against Holmes with zero chance of winning, he or the ref should've stopped that far earlier but didn't. I agree with what you say 100% but we are looking at if after the event with hindsight, if Wardley knocked Dubois out late people would say Davison was right to let it continue. It's also ironic that Howard Foster who is often criticised for early or poor stoppages let this go on too long.

My critisnm of Davidson is NOT has to wether or not he has boxed , i agree theres been plenty of good trainers who hav,nt Its all about him blagging his way to the top . These are facts You do not wake up one morning and say Mmmm i know i think i,ll be a fighter and become world champ even ameteur Aba champ. You go and learn of good coaches .
Also you dont wake up and say Mmmm i think i,ll train world champs
You go learn hoew to train . You start has an assistant , get 100 s, thousands of rnds of cnr work and hrs in the gym and LEARN YOUR TRADE

Davidson skipped all that how .fooked if i know because he seems to off convinced managers and boxers he,s god . But the facts are he,s inexperienced and failed to see the sigbs of how hurt his fighter was .

Now regards the success he.s had i,ve said it before .its not been great corner work its been the fact his boxers are experienced fighters who can think and work themselves out of situations not his great corner work . TELL ME WHY WAS FABIOS HANDS SO LOW AGAINST A BIG HITTER where was FAbs left hand range finder . Great plan of action was,nt it Facts are Davidsons lack of knoledge and experience was on show he should be ghe assistant

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑11 May 2026, 07:27In hindsight, how on earth did Wardley beat Parker