Classic American West Coast Boxing

[kikibalt]

I have his fight with Clarence Henry, Satterfield goes out in the first round this time.

[bennie]

You know, Billy Wells is the muscled fellow hitting the giant gong in all those Rank films.
We have a get rich series over here called "Who wants to be a millionaire" and the contestant, who obviously knew his boxing, walked away with a million when he was asked to identify the man hitting the gong.
I have to admit, I felt sick watching it.

[dagosd2000]

Saw some Spanish boxing on Saturday. Mediocre stuff. It´s not a big attraction here. Sunday it was live bullfighting. The European Union is trying to get bullfighting banned in Eorope. Hand Ball,Volley Ball,Grand Prix Racing,Wimbeldon. That´s the sports interest.

Frank,hope you´re relaxing. Hope Tony is doing well. I know he´s glad to see the family.

That Mexican restaurant we went to wasn´t very good. Little bitty flour tortillas made on a machine. No chiles!

Saw some of the posts on Satterfield. My father said he was hooked up into a lot of crooked fights in Chicago. It all had to do with betting. The Mob guys loved to bet on sports especially if they knew they were going to win. Unfortunately many Black fighters could only box if they were involved with these characters. Billy Fox,Curtis Sheppard,Clarence Henry. A lot of fellas´who should have been protected. Had talent,but were left hangin´. Take a look at Robinson´s fights in Chicago before the retirement. He went the distance against a lot of so so¨competition.I remember him saying that Bobby Dykes was carried by Ray. Again betting that the fight would go all the way.

You guys keep it going . I read the forum everyday. Very continental.

[dagosd2000]

Can´t believe I omitted soccer(futbol). Especially that Spain is playing for the European Championship against Germany.

[dagosd2000]

You know, Billy Wells is the muscled fellow hitting the giant gong in all those Rank films.
We have a get rich series over here called "Who wants to be a millionaire" and the contestant, who obviously knew his boxing, walked away with a million when he was asked to identify the man hitting the gong.
I have to admit, I felt sick watching it.

Bennie,
They had a game show here that asked the contestant the question,¨Who knocked out Mountain Rivera(Tony Quinn) at the start of Requiem For A heavyweight?¨Cassius Clay. It was for a grand. I just belched on that one. Dagos

[kikibalt]

My wife fell off the stairs this morning and broke her ankle in two places here in AZ. now we have to wait till tomorrow when we get home so she can see her doctor.

[sockdolager]

My wife fell off the stairs this morning and broke her ankle in two places here in AZ. now we have to wait till tomorrow when we get home so she can see her doctor.

Sorry to hear that.

[kikibalt]

My wife fell off the stairs this morning and broke her ankle in two places here in AZ. now we have to wait till tomorrow when we get home so she can see her doctor.

Sorry to hear that.

Thanks, Sock.

[sockdolager]

My wife fell off the stairs this morning and broke her ankle in two places here in AZ. now we have to wait till tomorrow when we get home so she can see her doctor.

Sorry to hear that.

Thanks, Sock.

I know how painful ankle sprains / breaks can be, I hope she is feeling better soon.

[Expug]

Hope your wife is well soon Frank.
That injury doesnt sound like a lot of fun.

[Boxingnut]

Ouch!! I hope your wife gets plenty of rest and feels better soon.

[Boxingnut]

Can´t believe I omitted soccer(futbol). Especially that Spain is playing for the European Championship against Germany.

And they won!!!

[bennie]

Jesus, Frankie, that must have hurt your Mrs. What a nightmare.

[dagosd2000]

Can´t believe I omitted soccer(futbol). Especially that Spain is playing for the European Championship against Germany.

And they won!!!

Nut
It´s funny,but Seville didn´t go as wild with celebration as the rest of the country. I´m vacationing in Seville and of course they were very happy,but after watching the news of the hysteria in Madrid and Barcelona,here it was relatively quiet.

You guys overseas understand this better. When a National team plays in World Cups,for example,there is a tremendous feeling of unity within the country. The country is living their lives through their National team. If we win, we are good or better. Our self esteem is on the line. Our race is justified. In France during the last World Cup,there was controversy about the National team not having enough native Frenchmen.

Soccer(futbol)doesn´t have that feel in the U.S. like elsewhere. Many of the recent immigrants pull for their National teams in World Cup play.

BTW,Frank told me what really happened with his wife. I told him to stick to his story if the cops ask questions.

[bennie]

Can´t believe I omitted soccer(futbol). Especially that Spain is playing for the European Championship against Germany.

And they won!!!

Nut
It´s funny,but Seville didn´t go as wild with celebration as the rest of the country. I´m vacationing in Seville and of course they were very happy,but after watching the news of the hysteria in Madrid and Barcelona,here it was relatively quiet.

You guys overseas understand this better. When a National team plays in World Cups,for example,there is a tremendous feeling of unity within the country. The country is living their lives through their National team. If we win, we are good or better. Our self esteem is on the line. Our race is justified. In France during the last World Cup,there was controversy about the National team not having enough native Frenchmen.

Soccer(futbol)doesn´t have that feel in the U.S. like elsewhere. Many of the recent immigrants pull for their National teams in World Cup play.

BTW,Frank told me what really happened with his wife. I told him to stick to his story if the cops ask questions.

Aye, Frankie knows the score.

[kikibalt]

Can´t believe I omitted soccer(futbol). Especially that Spain is playing for the European Championship against Germany.

And they won!!!

Nut
It´s funny,but Seville didn´t go as wild with celebration as the rest of the country. I´m vacationing in Seville and of course they were very happy,but after watching the news of the hysteria in Madrid and Barcelona,here it was relatively quiet.

You guys overseas understand this better. When a National team plays in World Cups,for example,there is a tremendous feeling of unity within the country. The country is living their lives through their National team. If we win, we are good or better. Our self esteem is on the line. Our race is justified. In France during the last World Cup,there was controversy about the National team not having enough native Frenchmen.

Soccer(futbol)doesn´t have that feel in the U.S. like elsewhere. Many of the recent immigrants pull for their National teams in World Cup play.

BTW,Frank told me what really happened with his wife. I told him to stick to his story if the cops ask questions.

I know nothing!

[scartissue]

BTW,Frank told me what really happened with his wife. I told him to stick to his story if the cops ask questions.[/quote]

I know nothing![/quote]

Remember, you were with me at the time.

Scartissue

[scartissue]

Bennie, the knock on Satterfield of course, was that if he didn't knock you out, you'd knock him out. Big banger but not very resilient. Not unlike an Andy Ganigan, Lew Jenkins or Bombardier Billy Wells. Also, he was not a very big heavyweight. However, he did hold some nice wins over Cleveland Williams and Bob Baker. The Baker fight is available on Youtube.

Scartissue[/quote]

Cheers, Scartissue.

PS: What a wild couple of minutes v Baker![/quote]

Bennie, would you also classify Jackie Paterson in that mold of big banger, no chin?

Scartissue

[kikibalt]

I didn't do do!!

[dagosd2000]

I went up to the door and knocked. The name plate read ¨Walter O´Campo¨. The typed name had faded over the years. A woman answered the door.
¨Hola Graciela. Wally esta aqui?¨
¨Si senor. Pasa por favor.¨
I gave Graciela a hug and kissed her on the cheek. I saw Wally sitting on the sofa watching television. As I approached he looked up at me and smiled.
¨Hola Roger. How are you?¨
The stroke had left him very weak. Wally´s fingers and toes had knotted up. He needed to be lifted from his wheel chair.
¨From Here To Eternity. It is almost over,¨said Wally.¨
Graciela sat in the back reading a novela,but was very aware if Wally needed anything.

Wally had participated on the Mexican Olympic Team in !952 and 1956. He swam the ¨Butterfly´He also was in the Pan American games and there were pictures of Wally and,i guess,other swimmers in Russia competing in an international event. This was a time in the 50´s when it was very difficult for a Westerner to get a visa to go there. The movie was finishing with Deborah Kerr talking with Donna Reed.
¨How are you feeling today,Wally?¨
¨Wonderfull.¨
When he said this,Graciela put down the magazine and looked at me.
¨i brought over the tape of Mantequilla Napoles´s fight winning the title back from Backus.¨
¨Please Roger put it in. I´ve never seen hin fight.¨
We watched the fight silently. Graciela came over to sit with us. We said nothing. Wally didn´t like interruptions. The fight ended with Napoles winning in the eighth round.
¨Roger,you are right. Napoles was an artist also.¨
Wally had also practiced law in Mexico City and worked for the Mexican Consulate in San Diego handling Fish and Game licenses .He was living on his pension.

¨Roger,answer this. When did Maximillian come to Mexico?¨
Wally said that he asked Graciela,but she didn´t know. She wouldn´t have. I don´t think she went to school very much in Mexico. She lived out by the dam in Tijuana. Took a bus to the border,a trolley to downtown San Diegi,another bus,and then walked 2 miles to Wally´s house. The journey took 4 hours each way.
¨Several years during our Civil War. France was hoping Mexico would go to war with the U.S.¨

Wally was interested in history and listening to classical music. One time I brought over Dvorzak´s New world Symphony. Wally cried during the 2nd Movement.
¨How beautifull!¨,he shouted.

I asked Wally how his daughter was doing. Graciela was back reading again. When I mentioned his daughter however,she looked at me again.
¨My daughter is wonderfull.She´s in Spain with her boyfriend dancing Flamenco.¨
¨Wally,tell me what the Mexican Olympic team was like ?¨
He squirmed on the sofa.
¨A joke. All those athletes sent there unprepaired. Only Raton Macias saved our reputation. He gave us dignity.¨
Wally began to break down.
¨To see him again. My compadre. He lifted our spirits with his sense of humor. I miss him terribly.¨
Just then Wally groaned. He needed to relieve himself. Graciela came over with the jar, We lifted him off the sofa.He grimaced. He did it there. He sat down. Wally was exhausted.
It was getting that time to go. Before leaving I asked Graciela how it was going.
¨Estoy contento . Tengo toda mi familia conmigo.¨
Her family was with her. Her son and his wife were living with her and her daughter was studying home economics in a trade school.
¨Gracias a Dios,¨she said.
I shook Wally´s cold forearm. He smiled. Graciela had told me I was Wally´s only visitor.
¨Thank you so much for coming. I learn so much from you.¨
I looked at Graciela before walking out the door.

As Graciela was shutting the door I heard Wally mention something else about Raton Macias to her. I wiped a tear away when I started the car.

[Boxingnut]

Can´t believe I omitted soccer(futbol). Especially that Spain is playing for the European Championship against Germany.

And they won!!!

Nut
It´s funny,but Seville didn´t go as wild with celebration as the rest of the country. I´m vacationing in Seville and of course they were very happy,but after watching the news of the hysteria in Madrid and Barcelona,here it was relatively quiet.

You guys overseas understand this better. When a National team plays in World Cups,for example,there is a tremendous feeling of unity within the country. The country is living their lives through their National team. If we win, we are good or better. Our self esteem is on the line. Our race is justified. In France during the last World Cup,there was controversy about the National team not having enough native Frenchmen.

Soccer(futbol)doesn´t have that feel in the U.S. like elsewhere. Many of the recent immigrants pull for their National teams in World Cup play.

BTW,Frank told me what really happened with his wife. I told him to stick to his story if the cops ask questions.

Dagos

That is strange. Every time I have been in Spain and they have won a match they have gone crazy, driving around in cars, beeping their horns, waving flags and shouting. Sevilla even has a successful club team. Maybe the people of Sevilla are a bit more laid back.

Take it easy

Rob

[kikibalt]

A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

[bollox]

A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

I think it's fair to say this thread has taken all of us all over the world, I've been reading it for days now

There's a few Lionel Rose pics posted earlier on with his Mexican opponents / rivals that I'd never seen before. They were great

p.s. Lionel's health these days is unfortunately not too good but he's apparently not complaining

[kikibalt]

A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

I think it's fair to say this thread has taken all of us all over the world, I've been reading it for days now

There's a few Lionel Rose pics posted earlier on with his Mexican opponents / rivals that I'd never seen before. They were great

p.s. Lionel's health these days is unfortunately not too good but he's apparently not complaining

Thanks for letting us know the latest on Lionel Rose.

[El Gato]

Kikibalt and Rick,

I haven't posted for some time. We have been in Las Vegas for Father's Day week-end to visit my kids there and then the following week, we flew to El Paso then drove to Las Cruces, NM to visit my other kids (and grandkids too). Going back to page 185 where you posted the photos of Antonio Cervantes and myself in the ring, Frank---Rick asked a question about my recollection of the fight.

First of all, I went into the ring cold because I didn't have a chance that night to warm up in my dressing room. In the first round Cervantes thumbed me in my left eye and blinded me, then hit me in the head with a left jab and I went down for the count of eight. When I got up I was ready to let him have it and was swinging at him from every angle. In the third round I caught him with a left hook to the chin and put him down for the count of eight. I think I got "the cut" in the fourth round. The blood was not bothering my eye in the beginning but in the later rounds we would get in a clinch and his head rubbed my head to aggravate my eye. Then the blood would get into my eye from time to time. In the beginning of the seventh round the referee stopped the bout momentarily and took me to my corner so the doctor could check my eye. After the doctor checked my eye he told the referee to stop the fight. At the moment, I pulled away from the referee and the doctor and went after Cervantes chasing him from all the corners. They let the fight go until the 8th round and the referee then stopped the fight. The cut was too big. Even though I was ahead in points, I lost the fight on a TKO.

After this fight, my manager, Ralph Gilbreath, requested a rematch but they refused.

El Gato