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kikibalt wrote:A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

scartissue wrote:Bennie, the knock on Satterfield of course, was that if he didn't knock you out, you'd knock him out. Big banger but not very resilient. Not unlike an Andy Ganigan, Lew Jenkins or Bombardier Billy Wells. Also, he was not a very big heavyweight. However, he did hold some nice wins over Cleveland Williams and Bob Baker. The Baker fight is available on Youtube.

Scartissue

kikibalt wrote:

bollox wrote:

kikibalt wrote:A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

I think it's fair to say this thread has taken all of us all over the world, I've been reading it for days now

There's a few Lionel Rose pics posted earlier on with his Mexican opponents / rivals that I'd never seen before. They were great

p.s. Lionel's health these days is unfortunately not too good but he's apparently not complaining

Thanks for letting us know the latest on Lionel Rose.

kikibalt wrote:A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

dagosd2000 wrote:Nut
I heard that a couple of years ago when Sevilla won some Club Championship in Europe,the town celebrated. Seville(Andalucians) consider the North to be too neurotic. They like to feel and make themselves a little isolated.

Boxingnut wrote:

dagosd2000 wrote:Nut
I heard that a couple of years ago when Sevilla won some Club Championship in Europe,the town celebrated. Seville(Andalucians) consider the North to be too neurotic. They like to feel and make themselves a little isolated.

Funny you should say that Dagos as a few places in Spain seem to like to be independant from the rest of Spain (or appear to be anyway). Barcelona (which is in Catalonia) and Bilbao (in the Basque region).

dagosd2000 wrote:I went up to the door and knocked. The name plate read ¨Walter O´Campo¨. The typed name had faded over the years. A woman answered the door.
¨Hola Graciela. Wally esta aqui?¨
¨Si senor. Pasa por favor.¨
I gave Graciela a hug and kissed her on the cheek. I saw Wally sitting on the sofa watching television. As I approached he looked up at me and smiled.
¨Hola Roger. How are you?¨
The stroke had left him very weak. Wally´s fingers and toes had knotted up. He needed to be lifted from his wheel chair.
¨From Here To Eternity. It is almost over,¨said Wally.¨
Graciela sat in the back reading a novela,but was very aware if Wally needed anything.

Wally had participated on the Mexican Olympic Team in !952 and 1956. He swam the ¨Butterfly´He also was in the Pan American games and there were pictures of Wally and,i guess,other swimmers in Russia competing in an international event. This was a time in the 50´s when it was very difficult for a Westerner to get a visa to go there. The movie was finishing with Deborah Kerr talking with Donna Reed.
¨How are you feeling today,Wally?¨
¨Wonderfull.¨
When he said this,Graciela put down the magazine and looked at me.
¨i brought over the tape of Mantequilla Napoles´s fight winning the title back from Backus.¨
¨Please Roger put it in. I´ve never seen hin fight.¨
We watched the fight silently. Graciela came over to sit with us. We said nothing. Wally didn´t like interruptions. The fight ended with Napoles winning in the eighth round.
¨Roger,you are right. Napoles was an artist also.¨
Wally had also practiced law in Mexico City and worked for the Mexican Consulate in San Diego handling Fish and Game licenses .He was living on his pension.

¨Roger,answer this. When did Maximillian come to Mexico?¨
Wally said that he asked Graciela,but she didn´t know. She wouldn´t have. I don´t think she went to school very much in Mexico. She lived out by the dam in Tijuana. Took a bus to the border,a trolley to downtown San Diegi,another bus,and then walked 2 miles to Wally´s house. The journey took 4 hours each way.
¨Several years during our Civil War. France was hoping Mexico would go to war with the U.S.¨

Wally was interested in history and listening to classical music. One time I brought over Dvorzak´s New world Symphony. Wally cried during the 2nd Movement.
¨How beautifull!¨,he shouted.

I asked Wally how his daughter was doing. Graciela was back reading again. When I mentioned his daughter however,she looked at me again.
¨My daughter is wonderfull.She´s in Spain with her boyfriend dancing Flamenco.¨
¨Wally,tell me what the Mexican Olympic team was like ?¨
He squirmed on the sofa.
¨A joke. All those athletes sent there unprepaired. Only Raton Macias saved our reputation. He gave us dignity.¨
Wally began to break down.
¨To see him again. My compadre. He lifted our spirits with his sense of humor. I miss him terribly.¨
Just then Wally groaned. He needed to relieve himself. Graciela came over with the jar, We lifted him off the sofa.He grimaced. He did it there. He sat down. Wally was exhausted.
It was getting that time to go. Before leaving I asked Graciela how it was going.
¨Estoy contento . Tengo toda mi familia conmigo.¨
Her family was with her. Her son and his wife were living with her and her daughter was studying home economics in a trade school.
¨Gracias a Dios,¨she said.
I shook Wally´s cold forearm. He smiled. Graciela had told me I was Wally´s only visitor.
¨Thank you so much for coming. I learn so much from you.¨
I looked at Graciela before walking out the door.

As Graciela was shutting the door I heard Wally mention something else about Raton Macias to her. I wiped a tear away when I started the car.

El Gato wrote:Kikibalt and Rick,

I haven't posted for some time. We have been in Las Vegas for Father's Day week-end to visit my kids there and then the following week, we flew to El Paso then drove to Las Cruces, NM to visit my other kids (and grandkids too). Going back to page 185 where you posted the photos of Antonio Cervantes and myself in the ring, Frank---Rick asked a question about my recollection of the fight.

First of all, I went into the ring cold because I didn't have a chance that night to warm up in my dressing room. In the first round Cervantes thumbed me in my left eye and blinded me, then hit me in the head with a left jab and I went down for the count of eight. When I got up I was ready to let him have it and was swinging at him from every angle. In the third round I caught him with a left hook to the chin and put him down for the count of eight. I think I got "the cut" in the fourth round. The blood was not bothering my eye in the beginning but in the later rounds we would get in a clinch and his head rubbed my head to aggravate my eye. Then the blood would get into my eye from time to time. In the beginning of the seventh round the referee stopped the bout momentarily and took me to my corner so the doctor could check my eye. After the doctor checked my eye he told the referee to stop the fight. At the moment, I pulled away from the referee and the doctor and went after Cervantes chasing him from all the corners. They let the fight go until the 8th round and the referee then stopped the fight. The cut was too big. Even though I was ahead in points, I lost the fight on a TKO.

After this fight, my manager, Ralph Gilbreath, requested a rematch but they refused.

El Gato

bollox wrote:Bennie

The crowd that greeted Lionel Rose received upon arriving back in Melbourne after winning the title was huge. Depending on who you believe it was between 100,000 and 250,000. Not bad for an Aboriginal kid raised in a tin shack

In 1968 he was named Australian of the Year and his title win gave his people something positive to aspire to at a time when Aborigines were seen by a lot of people as something less than human in this country

p.s. he was also a huge Elvis fan and recorded a few tunes himself, which made it onto the radio. Elvis once dropped in on him when he was training in the US for a fight. The little fella was blown away

bollox wrote:Yeah I can imagine the turnout for that sort of a win

I've read that Randy was a quiet fellow and a bit broody. Once when he was sparring people were yelling instructions at him. He stopped sparring yelled back "Oi know 'ow oim doin so oi don't need youse blokes yellin at me"

p.s. Randy Turpin to Dick Turpin to Dave Sands........bring back the English - Australia boxing rivalry I say

El Gato wrote:Kikibalt and Rick,

I haven't posted for some time. We have been in Las Vegas for Father's Day week-end to visit my kids there and then the following week, we flew to El Paso then drove to Las Cruces, NM to visit my other kids (and grandkids too). Going back to page 185 where you posted the photos of Antonio Cervantes and myself in the ring, Frank---Rick asked a question about my recollection of the fight.

First of all, I went into the ring cold because I didn't have a chance that night to warm up in my dressing room. In the first round Cervantes thumbed me in my left eye and blinded me, then hit me in the head with a left jab and I went down for the count of eight. When I got up I was ready to let him have it and was swinging at him from every angle. In the third round I caught him with a left hook to the chin and put him down for the count of eight. I think I got "the cut" in the fourth round. The blood was not bothering my eye in the beginning but in the later rounds we would get in a clinch and his head rubbed my head to aggravate my eye. Then the blood would get into my eye from time to time. In the beginning of the seventh round the referee stopped the bout momentarily and took me to my corner so the doctor could check my eye. After the doctor checked my eye he told the referee to stop the fight. At the moment, I pulled away from the referee and the doctor and went after Cervantes chasing him from all the corners. They let the fight go until the 8th round and the referee then stopped the fight. The cut was too big. Even though I was ahead in points, I lost the fight on a TKO.

After this fight, my manager, Ralph Gilbreath, requested a rematch but they refused.

El Gato

scartissue wrote:

bollox wrote:Yeah I can imagine the turnout for that sort of a win

I've read that Randy was a quiet fellow and a bit broody. Once when he was sparring people were yelling instructions at him. He stopped sparring yelled back "Oi know 'ow oim doin so oi don't need youse blokes yellin at me"

p.s. Randy Turpin to Dick Turpin to Dave Sands........bring back the English - Australia boxing rivalry I say

How're ya doin' Bollox (I love that name, it's so broad in what you can use it for. "He's a bollox!" or "I made a bollox of it all!" or "Give 'em a kick in the bollox!")? Since you're obviously from down under, tell us what was the general feeling back in the day towards Hector Thompson. I thought he was phenominal from what I've read and from what little I've seen. Couldn't believe the way he whitewashed Jimmy Heair in the manner he did. Pity he came along the same time as Duran and Cervantes.

Scartissue

bollox wrote:Bennie

The crowd that greeted Lionel Rose received upon arriving back in Melbourne after winning the title was huge. Depending on who you believe it was between 100,000 and 250,000. Not bad for an Aboriginal kid raised in a tin shack

In 1968 he was named Australian of the Year and his title win gave his people something positive to aspire to at a time when Aborigines were seen by a lot of people as something less than human in this country

p.s. he was also a huge Elvis fan and recorded a few tunes himself, which made it onto the radio. Elvis once dropped in on him when he was training in the US for a fight. The little fella was blown away

Boxingnut wrote:

kikibalt wrote:A couple of world travelers, shit I never been out of the barrio... :(

Rick Farris wrote:

bollox wrote:Bennie

The crowd that greeted Lionel Rose received upon arriving back in Melbourne after winning the title was huge. Depending on who you believe it was between 100,000 and 250,000. Not bad for an Aboriginal kid raised in a tin shack

In 1968 he was named Australian of the Year and his title win gave his people something positive to aspire to at a time when Aborigines were seen by a lot of people as something less than human in this country

p.s. he was also a huge Elvis fan and recorded a few tunes himself, which made it onto the radio. Elvis once dropped in on him when he was training in the US for a fight. The little fella was blown away

Bollox . . . a few years back I wrote a story about my experience with Lionel Rose. The story is titled- "A Walkabout With Lionel Rose". If you care to read it, just click on the link below:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box2-00.htm#rose

-Rick

scartissue wrote:

bollox wrote:Yeah I can imagine the turnout for that sort of a win

I've read that Randy was a quiet fellow and a bit broody. Once when he was sparring people were yelling instructions at him. He stopped sparring yelled back "Oi know 'ow oim doin so oi don't need youse blokes yellin at me"

p.s. Randy Turpin to Dick Turpin to Dave Sands........bring back the English - Australia boxing rivalry I say

How're ya doin' Bollox (I love that name, it's so broad in what you can use it for. "He's a bollox!" or "I made a bollox of it all!" or "Give 'em a kick in the bollox!")? Since you're obviously from down under, tell us what was the general feeling back in the day towards Hector Thompson. I thought he was phenominal from what I've read and from what little I've seen. Couldn't believe the way he whitewashed Jimmy Heair in the manner he did. Pity he came along the same time as Duran and Cervantes.

Scartissue

bollox wrote:Yeah I can imagine the turnout for that sort of a win

I've read that Randy was a quiet fellow and a bit broody. Once when he was sparring people were yelling instructions at him. He stopped sparring yelled back "Oi know 'ow oim doin so oi don't need youse blokes yellin at me"

p.s. Randy Turpin to Dick Turpin to Dave Sands........bring back the English - Australia boxing rivalry I say

Expug wrote:Gato, thanks for the memories of the Cervantes fight.
Great stuff!
Guys , a couple minutes of Rose - Olivares is on youtube.
It looked like Ruben was just too strong.
Any thoughts from guys here who have seen the fight in its entirety?