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I remember Ruben's record going into the Rose challenge was 52-0 (48).
It remains one of those great records.

Joey Maxim...1955

Expug wrote:Thanks Dagos.
I hope you are enjoying your trip!

Thanks Pug
These Spanish gals are looking better and better each day. Next week we spend a week at the beach. They´re topless beaches.. Those gals will be really looking better by then.

kikibalt wrote:
Joey Maxim...1955

Frank
Don´t know if you got my email. My granddaughter says she´s having a problem emailing her parents.

I wanted to know how your wife is feeling. Hope she´s not in any pain. Tell her to get well soon and take it easy.

Nice shot of Maxim. Good looking Italian. Too bad I couldn´t have inherited his looks. If he could have only delivered the mail in my parents neighborhood in 1947.

I remember something Archie Moore used to say when it came to discussing boxing. He said he got it from Sam Langford. It was about where to hit an opponent. Archie used to say that if you could find during the fight where your opponent felt the most pain when a punch landed,then work that area. Moore said he´d listen for a fighter to wince or groan from a particular punch. When he got that signal,then he´d focus there. Archie said sometimes fighters hit an opponent repeatedly in one particular spot not causing much damage. Moore said one time he was fighting a guy early in his career and was landing everything. Nothing. Then he said he got into a clinch and tapped the guy on top of the head. The guy moaned. Archie went for the top of his skull again and the guy was out cold.

I sure do miss that guy.

dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
Don´t know if you got my email. My granddaughter says she´s having a problem emailing her parents.

I wanted to know how your wife is feeling. Hope she´s not in any pain. Tell her to get well soon and take it easy.

Nice shot of Maxim. Good looking Italian. Too bad I couldn´t have inherited his looks. If he could have only delivered the mail in my parents neighborhood in 1947.

diego,

I haven't open my e-mail in days.

The wife is doing ok, she is just not a happy camper to say the least, I'll post a couple of pics.

"The Wife"
By Frank

The wife behind my granddaughters and I. on th left is Breanne, Bobby's daughter, on the right
is Chanelle, Tony's daughter

dagosd2000 wrote:

Expug wrote:Gato, thanks for the memories of the Cervantes fight.
Great stuff!
Guys , a couple minutes of Rose - Olivares is on youtube.
It looked like Ruben was just too strong.
Any thoughts from guys here who have seen the fight in its entirety?

Pug
I have that fight on tape. Frank might have been there for that one. You´re right. Too strong. Olivares was at his peak. Rose had just defeated Castillo in a controversial fight. With a hysterical crowd behind him Rose was really up against it. After winning the title that night,Olivares headed a crew of bantamweights that dominated that division. That period for the next ten years was very exciting for Southland(Mexico included) boxing. It was the center ,in my opinion,for top quality fighters,especially at the lower weights. The competition was intense. If a fighter broke training,he paid for it dearly in the ring. The memorable fights can be listed forever. No one ducked anyone if you lived in the area.Gato never got that rematch with Cervantes because he went back to Colombia.He never fought a good local talent again in LA.If he had stayed in the Southland he would of had to give Gato a return fight.Instead he fights a Venezualen,Enrique Jana.Those were thrilling days around here.We can thank Aileen Eaton and George Parnassus for putting things together. Only distant memories now.
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Yes, I was there for that fight, both at their best, I think Olivares beat Rose most of the time. Rose may win one out of 4 fights.

Check your e-mail Frank.

raylawpc wrote:Check your e-mail Frank.

Check yours...

bennie wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

bollox wrote:Bennie

The crowd that greeted Lionel Rose received upon arriving back in Melbourne after winning the title was huge. Depending on who you believe it was between 100,000 and 250,000. Not bad for an Aboriginal kid raised in a tin shack

In 1968 he was named Australian of the Year and his title win gave his people something positive to aspire to at a time when Aborigines were seen by a lot of people as something less than human in this country

p.s. he was also a huge Elvis fan and recorded a few tunes himself, which made it onto the radio. Elvis once dropped in on him when he was training in the US for a fight. The little fella was blown away

Bollox . . . a few years back I wrote a story about my experience with Lionel Rose. The story is titled- "A Walkabout With Lionel Rose". If you care to read it, just click on the link below:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box2-00.htm#rose

-Rick

Great account, Rick. Rose reminds me of Ken Buchanan, with his willingness to fight the best in their own backyards - and that jab.

Bennie, great comparison of Rose & Buchanan, a guy I had a chance to work with briefly in L.A. prior to his title defense against my stablemate Ruben Navarro. Like Rose, Buchanan had a piston-like jab and, like Rose, lost his title to an all-time great. Like Frank, I was at the Forum on that night in August of 1969 when Olivares took Lionel's title (the same week Rocky Marciano died in a plane crash). Another fight on that card featured future featherweight champ Antonio Gomez, who ended the career of my friend and trainer, Dwight Hawkins. I don't know if Frank remembers that fight, but when Hawkins skinny legs finally failed his massive upper body, many of the crustiest old school L.A. boxing personalities had tears in their eyes. The "Hawk" was a very special man and one that destroyed many a career with his brutal body attack. Johnny Flores always rated Dwight Hawkins as his favorite fighter (that he managed).

-Rick

dagosd2000 wrote:

Expug wrote:Gato, thanks for the memories of the Cervantes fight.
Great stuff!
Guys , a couple minutes of Rose - Olivares is on youtube.
It looked like Ruben was just too strong.
Any thoughts from guys here who have seen the fight in its entirety?

Pug
I have that fight on tape. Frank might have been there for that one. You´re right. Too strong. Olivares was at his peak. Rose had just defeated Castillo in a controversial fight. With a hysterical crowd behind him Rose was really up against it. After winning the title that night,Olivares headed a crew of bantamweights that dominated that division. That period for the next ten years was very exciting for Southland(Mexico included) boxing. It was the center ,in my opinion,for top quality fighters,especially at the lower weights. The competition was intense. If a fighter broke training,he paid for it dearly in the ring. The memorable fights can be listed forever. No one ducked anyone if you lived in the area.Gato never got that rematch with Cervantes because he went back to Colombia.He never fought a good local talent again in LA.If he had stayed in the Southland he would of had to give Gato a return fight.Instead he fights a Venezualen,Enrique Jana.Those were thrilling days around here.We can thank Aileen Eaton and George Parnassus for putting things together. Only distant memories

Dagos . . . When you talk about Olivares leading a crew of bantams that dominated the division you are 110% correct. I forget the exact month, but sometime around 1971, I browsed thru the Ring Magazine ratings and found that not only did Mexico own the title (Olivares) but also nine of the top ten contenders. Names such as ChuCho Castillo, Jesus Pimentel, Raphael Herrera, Rodolfo Martinez, Romeo Anaya, Rogelio Lara, Octavio Gomez and a couple others filled the top ten with the lone non-Mexican being Scotland's Evan Armstrong. Soon to follow were the "Z" boys, Carlos Zarate and Alphonso Zamora, Lupe Pintor and on and on. Mexico owned the division and I had a chance to box in the gym with most between 1971-72. It was George Parnassus who brought these greats into L.A. to headline his promotions at the FORUM and he'd showcase them prior to the events at what was then known as the "ELKS Bldg." located across the street from MacArthur Park downtown. It was there and at the Alexandria Hotel where I would workout with and watch these great fighters. When you add to the undercard names such as Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles, Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, Ruben Navarro, etc. etc. and Aileen Eaton's success at the Olympic Auditorium, it's no secret why Los Angeles was the world's top fight town of the era. How lucky for me to be the age I was and so into boxing at the time. It hasn't been the same since and, unfortunatly, never will be. Everything changes, and I thank the great spirit for allowing me to see these guys up close and personal. Today, I feel lucky to have this simple thread to rehash such memories with those who also were apart of it.

-Rick Farris

How're ya doin' Bollox (I love that name, it's so broad in what you can use it for. "He's a bollox!" or "I made a bollox of it all!" or "Give 'em a kick in the bollox!")? Since you're obviously from down under, tell us what was the general feeling back in the day towards Hector Thompson. I thought he was phenominal from what I've read and from what little I've seen. Couldn't believe the way he whitewashed Jimmy Heair in the manner he did. Pity he came along the same time as Duran and Cervantes.

Scartissue[/quote]

Hector Thompson destroyed our own Pat McCormack in Oz, really picked him apart - and McCormack was nothing if not rugged.
McCormack still raves about Hector.[/quote]

Bennie,her is a write-up that I found on boxrec of the Thompson-McCormick fight

1973-09-10 : Hector Thompson beat Pat McCormack by TKO in round 4 of 10
Location: Festival Hall, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Referee: Terry Reilly

"Australian jr. welterweight champion Hector Thompson, 140, was in devastating form against Irishman Pat McCormack, 139 1/4, at Melbourne. Thompson won the 1st round, McCormack edged the 2nd and 3rd, then Thompson opened up in the 4th. A four punch combination had McCormack dazed. The Irishman, not knowing what he was doing, turned away, staggered, and referee Terry Reilly rescued him." -Ring magazine, December 1973 issue

Scartissue

Dagos . . . When you talk about Olivares leading a crew of bantams that dominated the division you are 110% correct. I forget the exact month, but sometime around 1971, I browsed thru the Ring Magazine ratings and found that not only did Mexico own the title (Olivares) but also nine of the top ten contenders. Names such as ChuCho Castillo, Jesus Pimentel, Raphael Herrera, Rodolfo Martinez, Romeo Anaya, Rogelio Lara, Octavio Gomez and a couple others filled the top ten with the lone non-Mexican being Scotland's Evan Armstrong. Soon to follow were the "Z" boys, Carlos Zarate and Alphonso Zamora, Lupe Pintor and on and on. Mexico owned the division and I had a chance to box in the gym with most between 1971-72. It was George Parnassus who brought these greats into L.A. to headline his promotions at the FORUM and he'd showcase them prior to the events at what was then known as the "ELKS Bldg." located across the street from MacArthur Park downtown. It was there and at the Alexandria Hotel where I would workout with and watch these great fighters. When you add to the undercard names such as Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles, Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, Ruben Navarro, etc. etc. and Aileen Eaton's success at the Olympic Auditorium, it's no secret why Los Angeles was the world's top fight town of the era. How lucky for me to be the age I was and so into boxing at the time. It hasn't been the same since and, unfortunatly, never will be. Everything changes, and I thank the great spirit for allowing me to see these guys up close and personal. Today, I feel lucky to have this simple thread to rehash such memories with those who also were apart of it.

-Rick Farris[/quote]

Rick, I've really been scrutinizing some of boxrec's write-ups which are pretty cool. When you mention the bantams of that era another one I think about is Julio Guerrero, who was a kill or be killed type of fighter in the Satterfield mode. Check out this duke out between he and Rogelio Lara. Were you or anyone else at this card? This sounds like Marquez and Vasquez going at it.

1970-04-18 : Rogelio Lara beat Julio Guerrero by KO in round 8 of 10
Location: Forum, Inglewood, California, USA
Referee: Dick Young

"A right to the jaw put Lara down in the 2nd. In the next round, a right uppercut dropped Guerrero for a short count and a cut opened under his left eye. Guerrero was knocked through the ropes in the 4th but came back to buckle Lara's knees at the bell. A left hook put Lara flat on his back and a right-left combo had Rogelio down again in the 6th as Guerrero opened up a vicious assault. But the tide began to turn in a free-swinging 7th and Lara belted Julio through the ropes in the 8th and before Guerrero could crawl back and regain his feet, it was all over." -San Antonio Light

This bout was one of 3 ten rounders on the undercard of the first Ruben Olivares-Chucho Castillo world Bantamweight title fight.

Scartissue

kikibalt wrote:
The wife behind my granddaughters and I. on th left is Breanne, Bobby's daughter, on the right
is Chanelle, Tony's daughter

Beautiful family Frank. I lived in Az. between 1999-2002 and worked with boxers at the old Madison Gym in downtown Phoenix, on the corner of Van Buren & 19th Ave. Just a couple miles away, in the barrio around 16th St. was where Michael Carbajal lived and had his own gym, a converted church right across the street. Recently my friend Richard Rodriguez (a trainer known as Ricky Ricardo) called to tell me about the situation between Michael and his brother Danny, a really sad story. Ricky knows Tony pretty well and would see him at local boxing events a few years back. I'll never forget the Baltazar boys and I'm honored to call their father my friend. I'm curious if John Montano is still the Arizona boxing commisioner?

-Rick Farris

scartissue wrote:Dagos . . . When you talk about Olivares leading a crew of bantams that dominated the division you are 110% correct. I forget the exact month, but sometime around 1971, I browsed thru the Ring Magazine ratings and found that not only did Mexico own the title (Olivares) but also nine of the top ten contenders. Names such as ChuCho Castillo, Jesus Pimentel, Raphael Herrera, Rodolfo Martinez, Romeo Anaya, Rogelio Lara, Octavio Gomez and a couple others filled the top ten with the lone non-Mexican being Scotland's Evan Armstrong. Soon to follow were the "Z" boys, Carlos Zarate and Alphonso Zamora, Lupe Pintor and on and on. Mexico owned the division and I had a chance to box in the gym with most between 1971-72. It was George Parnassus who brought these greats into L.A. to headline his promotions at the FORUM and he'd showcase them prior to the events at what was then known as the "ELKS Bldg." located across the street from MacArthur Park downtown. It was there and at the Alexandria Hotel where I would workout with and watch these great fighters. When you add to the undercard names such as Jose "Mantequilla" Napoles, Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez, Ruben Navarro, etc. etc. and Aileen Eaton's success at the Olympic Auditorium, it's no secret why Los Angeles was the world's top fight town of the era. How lucky for me to be the age I was and so into boxing at the time. It hasn't been the same since and, unfortunatly, never will be. Everything changes, and I thank the great spirit for allowing me to see these guys up close and personal. Today, I feel lucky to have this simple thread to rehash such memories with those who also were apart of it.

-Rick Farris

Rick, I've really been scrutinizing some of boxrec's write-ups which are pretty cool. When you mention the bantams of that era another one I think about is Julio Guerrero, who was a kill or be killed type of fighter in the Satterfield mode. Check out this duke out between he and Rogelio Lara. Were you or anyone else at this card? This sounds like Marquez and Vasquez going at it.

1970-04-18 : Rogelio Lara beat Julio Guerrero by KO in round 8 of 10
Location: Forum, Inglewood, California, USA
Referee: Dick Young

"A right to the jaw put Lara down in the 2nd. In the next round, a right uppercut dropped Guerrero for a short count and a cut opened under his left eye. Guerrero was knocked through the ropes in the 4th but came back to buckle Lara's knees at the bell. A left hook put Lara flat on his back and a right-left combo had Rogelio down again in the 6th as Guerrero opened up a vicious assault. But the tide began to turn in a free-swinging 7th and Lara belted Julio through the ropes in the 8th and before Guerrero could crawl back and regain his feet, it was all over." -San Antonio Light

This bout was one of 3 ten rounders on the undercard of the first Ruben Olivares-Chucho Castillo world Bantamweight title fight.

Scartissue[/quote]


Scar . . . Yes! You bet I saw that fight, it was about a month before my pro debut and it was a war, one I'd forgotten about until reading this post. Guerrero was a banger, but his chin wasn't as good as Lara's. About a year later, I worked with Lara prior to his challenging Romeo Anaya for the title. In that fight, Anaya was lucky to retain his title, I thought that Rogelio had pulled off an upset, but the officials gave it to the champ.

-Rick

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kikibalt wrote:
"The Wife"
By Frank

Frank, I hope Connie feels better soon. Last time I remember seeing her was in the late 60's, attending a Jr. GG's card at the Teamsters Gym. Ironically, today we were shooting the TV series I work on (The Cleaner) right on the corner of 7th & Stanford St. downtown. At lunch, I walked down the block and went inside the old Teamsters Union Hall, where the gym was once located. Today, the gym floor consists of office cubicals and I wasn't able to enter to go downstairs into the basement. Man, reading your memories is kinda like hearing those old walls speak. The first boxing match I ever had was in that building in the mid-60's and you were the matchmaker! Maybe the ghost of Keeny Teran was in the house? Who knows?

-Rick

Scar
When you mentioned Julio Guererro you were right. He had a tremendous left hook to the liver like a lot of Mexican fighters of that time.
I saw him fight the Flyweight Champ,Borkursor who was movtng up to fight bantams,at the downtown bullring in TJ. The problem Julio had is that he didn´t have much else but the left hook to the body. The Thai was a southpaw. Julio kept throwing the left hook to the body ,but Borkursor kept catching it on the right elbow. It had no effect on him. Eventually Guerrero was stopped in the fight. He was a real crowd pleaser like you said.

kikibalt wrote:
The wife behind my granddaughters and I. on th left is Breanne, Bobby's daughter, on the right
is Chanelle, Tony's daughter

Great looking girls. They look very happy. I think your wife was going to hit you in the back of the leg with the crutch.

kikibalt wrote:
"The Wife"
By Frank

You´re right.Your wife doesn´t look very happy in that picture. What did you do? Take the picture when she was asleep and then put it on the Internet. Good goin´Frank. Lets hope she doesn´t see this. The next picture might be you on the couch, or at least you sleeping there for a while

kikibalt wrote:
"The Wife"
By Frank

Oh dear, that is a serious plaster. Pass on our best wishes to Connie, Frankie.

scartissue wrote:How're ya doin' Bollox (I love that name, it's so broad in what you can use it for. "He's a bollox!" or "I made a bollox of it all!" or "Give 'em a kick in the bollox!")? Since you're obviously from down under, tell us what was the general feeling back in the day towards Hector Thompson. I thought he was phenominal from what I've read and from what little I've seen. Couldn't believe the way he whitewashed Jimmy Heair in the manner he did. Pity he came along the same time as Duran and Cervantes.

Scartissue

Hector Thompson destroyed our own Pat McCormack in Oz, really picked him apart - and McCormack was nothing if not rugged.
McCormack still raves about Hector.[/quote]

Bennie,her is a write-up that I found on boxrec of the Thompson-McCormick fight

1973-09-10 : Hector Thompson beat Pat McCormack by TKO in round 4 of 10
Location: Festival Hall, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Referee: Terry Reilly

"Australian jr. welterweight champion Hector Thompson, 140, was in devastating form against Irishman Pat McCormack, 139 1/4, at Melbourne. Thompson won the 1st round, McCormack edged the 2nd and 3rd, then Thompson opened up in the 4th. A four punch combination had McCormack dazed. The Irishman, not knowing what he was doing, turned away, staggered, and referee Terry Reilly rescued him." -Ring magazine, December 1973 issue

Scartissue[/quote]




Jesus, he made McCormack quit! That takes some doing. Thanks Scar.

PS: Sorry if I gazumped your earlier question on Thompson.

kikibalt wrote:
Joey Maxim...1955

Whatever the heat, and it was the same for both men, Maxim beat the greatest fighter who ever lived.