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witherspoon wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:
Come on then Terrible Tim, let's hear your logic.

I am hopeless with those cryptic crosswords and even with the answer I can see no link...

Well, ermmmm, i think i meant to invoke an image of a snake playing second fiddle, snakes natural rival being mongoose - Johnson, as gifted and capable as he was, is usually seen as being under Moore's shadow.
In my defence, that kind of thought process was assisted by copious amounts of Dutch Lager.

That's quite good, actually.

witherspoon wrote:You call that a clue? Go have some beer.

We need some experts on this one.

Where's BRR when you need him.

Or trainee junior boxing historian 4th class, Bobby Boxbuzz.

Collins2000 wrote:

witherspoon wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:
Come on then Terrible Tim, let's hear your logic.

I am hopeless with those cryptic crosswords and even with the answer I can see no link...

Well, ermmmm, i think i meant to invoke an image of a snake playing second fiddle, snakes natural rival being mongoose - Johnson, as gifted and capable as he was, is usually seen as being under Moore's shadow.
In my defence, that kind of thought process was assisted by copious amounts of Dutch Lager.

That's quite good, actually.

Thanks!
I second the call for assistance.
This damn Joe-mid-parting fella is driving me nuts. I'm drinking heavy too.

raylawpc wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

Is it Lew Tendler?

No. Clue: This fellow's first name was Joe.

Choynski?

witherspoon wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

Okay. He was born as Joseph Youngs. But he's known to us all as the all-time great welterweight and middleweight champion, TOMMY RYAN.

raylawpc wrote:Okay. He was born as Joseph Youngs. But he's known to us all as the all-time great welterweight and middleweight champion, TOMMY RYAN.

Never heard of him.

Thank You.
I was hoping you would not reveal the answer, i was convinced that i could figure it out given time.
But now i'm just glad that it's over.

Collins2000 wrote:

raylawpc wrote:Okay. He was born as Joseph Youngs. But he's known to us all as the all-time great welterweight and middleweight champion, TOMMY RYAN.

Never heard of him.

For Collins (from the IBHOF website):

An intelligent, adaptable fighter, Tommy Ryan held world titles in both the welterweight and middleweight divisions. He also schooled several of his contemporaries, including champions James J. Jeffries and Gentleman Jim Corbett, in some of the finer points of boxing. Ryan helped Jeffries develop the crouch he used when he wrested the heavyweight title from Bob Fitzsimmons, and later, he showed Corbett how to counteract the same maneuver.

Born Joseph Youngs, Ryan changed his name after he ran away from home. He honed his boxing skills in lumber camps, then turned professional in 1887 as a lightweight. He scored knockouts in seventeen of his first eighteen bouts, the exception being a 57-rounder with Jimmy Murphy that ended without a decision.

In 1893, Ryan began a five-battle series (not counting an exhibition) with the brawling Mysterious Billy Smith. The first two contests were draws. The third, held in Minneapolis, was a challenge for Smith's welterweight title. After twenty rounds, the Minneapolis police interrupted the fight. Ryan, judged to be in the lead at that point, was awarded the championship.

Ryan easily resisted an attempt by Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil) to take the title in 1895, stopping the older boxer in the third round. The next year, Ryan faced his former sparring partner Kid McCoy in a non-title match. Ryan trained lightly for this bout and lost by knockout in the fifteenth round. Supposedly, McCoy tricked Ryan by telling him that he was not in shape.

In 1898, after triumphing in a brutal brawl with Tommy West, Ryan turned his attention to the middleweight ranks. He captured the championship with a twenty-round decision over Jack Bonner. Ryan never relinquished this title, holding it until his retirement in 1907. This ten-year hold on the middleweight crown is unrivaled.

Following his retirement, Ryan traveled the vaudeville circuit and performed in boxing exhibitions with Fitzsimmons. He also managed boxers, ran a gym in Syracuse, New York, and invested in several businesses in California, where he eventually settled.

I know who he is NOW, Ray; I did a little reading up on him after you gave the answer. Until then I had never heard of him.

He has a very distinctive face; I'm surprised none of our resident experts/historians could tell us who he was...

Ryan and Smith are two of my favorite old-timers in the smaller weight classes. But, then again, back then it might as well have been a free for all, as middleweights often fought heavyweights, etc.

HomicideHenry wrote:Ryan and Smith are two of my favorite old-timers in the smaller weight classes. But, then again, back then it might as well have been a free for all, as middleweights often fought heavyweights, etc.

Yet from a perfectly clear full frontal picture you couldn't recognise him?

Right, I'm up to speed on Paddy Ryan now. Thanks for the info, Ray.

Who are these two?

..collins...re: my dissertation on ko and tko:

I hold these truths to be self-evident..

jaclem2 wrote:..collins...re: my dissertation on ko and tko:

I hold these truths to be self-evident..

Have a go at the picture, mate.

Collins2000 wrote:Right, I'm up to speed on Paddy Ryan now. Thanks for the info, Ray.

Who are these two?

On the left is Les Darcy but don't know the other fella

Dave boy Green

Collins2000 wrote:How about this one?

metchampion wrote:Dave boy Green

Collins2000 wrote:How about this one?

Bennie got that one last week.

bollox wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:Right, I'm up to speed on Paddy Ryan now. Thanks for the info, Ray.

Who are these two?

On the left is Les Darcy but don't know the other fella

The man on the right has a really cool robe.

McGoorthy?

Woller

Les Darcy & Eddie McGoortey is correct.

Well done Bollox and Woller.

How about these two?

Collins2000 wrote:How about these two?

Carlos Ortiz (left) and Ken Buchanan

raylawpc wrote: Carlos Ortiz (left) and Ken Buchanan

Correct and in record time. Nice one.

Who are these three former World Champs (from this circa early 1933 photo)?