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Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 12:00
by granberry
Terry D wrote:granberry wrote:BoxBuzz wrote:I apologize on behalf of all humanity for clapberry's personal insult and unimaginable cruelty of claiming me as a possible mentor for our fellow contributor Collins.
I can assure Collins and all others that the pain this may cause him and his family and loved ones was in no way instigated by me. granberry is not a name that I travel under in order to dispense anguish, confusion, disinformation and other assorted acts of felonious mischief.
The genius granberry seeks to cloud the waters and bring people to the assumption that perhaps he and I are one and the same or somehow in league with one another. I claim my innocence of this charge. The fact that I purchased all of Joe Frazier's collected recordings from him, should not be extrapulated to assume that we are in any way affiliated.
But just to show I'm the forgiving sort, and that I like to stay on topic, I will offer up a great picture of one the best Left Hookers in history. A man that can both sing and box. A man that one occasion decked the greatest Heavyweight champion of all time. However he is singing a different tune in this particular pose.
What a nice left cross from the southpaw stance.
Totally incompetent Terry has now "established" that Joe Frazier threw his left hook from a southpaw stance.
Terry's flatulent incompetence ranks with other all time internet boob posts,
including the boobs on a site run by "Rafael" who have established that Sugar Ray Robinson knocked out Gene Fullmer with a "left jab"
and the all time winner by boob boxing "historian" Monte Cox
that to get information on flyweight champion Pancho Villa's early fights one should look in the Mexican newspapers.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 15:04
by Jaclem
..senya 13....thanks..i find that most interesting, as fleischer over the years was one of the strictest in defining what constitutes a hook.....and the book quote contradicts much of his own writing.
...me...i really don't know what else to call a short arcing punch...no matter what the stance...except a hook. i've just been posting of how the more traditional writers and historians have been defining it. as i pointed out, even the genius detective ellery queen was locked in to that term.
granberry....hi there. p.s. when it comes to boxing history, you really don't want to mess with me. ditto for just about everything else.
(hey guys...this one should really set him off
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 15:45
by granberry
Jaclem wrote:..
granberry....hi there. p.s. when it comes to boxing history, you really don't want to mess with me. ditto for just about everything else.
(hey guys...this one should really set him off
Jaclem,
You've got it backwards.
With the very limited range of your interest in boxing timewise,
your emotional irrationality when it comes to Rocky Marciano,
and your eagerness to display your total ignorance of anything before your own time
i.e. your shallow, stupid comments displaying your complete ignorance of Joe Walcott the Barbados Demon,
you should stick very close to your buddy, the clueless and superficial buzz.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 16:13
by Senya13
Only had time to dig the books out now.
1929 edition
Chapter XI.
The Right Hook to the Jaw
There are several ways of using the right, but the most effective punch is the right hook. Many good fighters use the straight right to the face or body just as they do the left, but the greatest damage can be accomplished through the hook.
There is little difference in landing of the straight right and the hook, the only difference being that in the hook, the arm is bent at the moment of the landing.
...
The right hook is a most effective punch and should not be neglected. It is a punch that punishes badly and oftimes is the knockout blow. It is the one blow into which you can get the full weight of the body and the full force of the shoulders, better than any other.
In the 1932 edition the text is almost identical.
Arthur Hobart Farrar "How to fight" (1943)
page 39.
The right-hook to body
On the other hand,
Rocky Graziano "Rocky's Boxing Book" (1979)
page 37
Right Cross
Some trainers and boxers call it a right hook, but while I was in the ring we always referred to this punch as a right cross.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 17:09
by Collins2000
This proves Crankberry knows as little about boxing technique as he does about boxing history.
But we already knew that.
Posted: 08 Jun 2007, 23:46
by Collins2000
Decagon wrote:I'm sorry, but I have to side with Granberry in this one.
You mean you agree with his assertion that
"A southpaw would hit himself in the face if he tried to throw a "left hook."
If so, that just means neither of you have a clue about boxing technique.
Posted: 09 Jun 2007, 01:37
by Senya13
Decagon wrote:A right hook from an orthodox stance would get its power from the left foot. I don't see how this punch could work very well.
Many Roy Jones Jr fights, long right hook to the left side of the opponent's body, it made them flinch with pain.
Posted: 09 Jun 2007, 01:38
by Jaclem
..the 'hook" commentary is interesting...obviously even among the boxing fraternity there is no universal agreement. this is one nit i shall refrain from picking.
..re: grandberry....hey guys..what did i tell ya? I don't know if i'll bother to respond....will be busy on the weekend signing books ...besides, i'm not sure what it is i'd respond to.
i forget which thread it is in which box buzz gets picked on for referring to frazier's hook knocking ali flat on his back...and then a picture was posted with ali on his side...check out the link buzzy provides on the thread "greatest heavyweight" and you shall see...as most of us have many many times...including the time we saw the fight...ali lying...guess where.
damn.....buzz....do you supposed berry berry suspects you are on my payroll? would it do any good to deny it? i mean....there is a paper trail he might dig up.
Posted: 09 Jun 2007, 03:49
by Senya13
What did it cross to be called that? It wasn't a swing, it wasn't an uppercut, it didn't cross no opponent's arm. A step forward with a counter-clockwise twist of the body. and a whipping move of the arm. It's a right hook, obviously.
Posted: 09 Jun 2007, 13:34
by DaveV17
asdf
Posted: 09 Jun 2007, 14:51
by Senya13
Decagon wrote:It's called a cross because it goes across the body, generally.
Straight right basically goes across the body also, based on trajectory/angle.