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Spud wrote:
I really do not care who it is - I want to see Amir Khan beaten - on the strict condition he is okay afterwards - another Breidis Prescott style defeat would be rather nice - I cannot stand Khan.

Yeah whats wrong with Khan?

Don't come out with Bollocks like that and not back it up!

Deserter wrote:

Autobarn wrote:some ppl can only see khan's speed and alleged "style."

what happens to him if he gtes winded by some brutal body shots and slows down?

It's not so much that, it's more that I haven't seen anything in Murray to suggest he's the man to upset the Khan 2.0 model. On the occasions I've watched him he's had an upright style with zero head movement and has seemed far too easy to hit as a result. That coupled with his lack of speed in relative terms makes he think that while Khan will still come unstuck as some point, Murray will not be the man to make this happen.

accuracy, poise, excellent strength and body shots that take the air out of you. these are some of murray's qualities that could lead him to chop down khan.

Autobarn wrote:

Deserter wrote:

Autobarn wrote:some ppl can only see khan's speed and alleged "style."

what happens to him if he gtes winded by some brutal body shots and slows down?

It's not so much that, it's more that I haven't seen anything in Murray to suggest he's the man to upset the Khan 2.0 model. On the occasions I've watched him he's had an upright style with zero head movement and has seemed far too easy to hit as a result. That coupled with his lack of speed in relative terms makes he think that while Khan will still come unstuck as some point, Murray will not be the man to make this happen.

accuracy, poise, excellent strength and body shots that take the air out of you. these are some of murray's qualities that could lead him to chop down khan.

You've just named khans qualities not murrays. i dont understand how people can honestly think he would stand a chance against khan. He's average at best.

sg1985 wrote:is there any actual truth to these rumours?

Murray is in training for Khan in case Kotelnik pulls out and he needs to step in, if offered.

No Kotelnik pull out as yet.

At least the public knows, on the outside chance Kotelnik can't fight, that he has a ready-made live replacement.

Not that Murray would necessarily be offered a fight anyway...

exittored wrote:

Spud wrote:
I really do not care who it is - I want to see Amir Khan beaten - on the strict condition he is okay afterwards - another Breidis Prescott style defeat would be rather nice - I cannot stand Khan.

Yeah whats wrong with Khan?

Don't come out with Bollocks like that and not back it up!

Its quite often people come on here make statements - and regardless of whether they back them up or not is irrelevant you or anybody else - are in no position to tell me what to do - I cannot stand Khan - its not the first time I have stated and it wont be the last - I want to see him get beaten and for me John Murray is the ideal person to do it.

Believe it or not I am entitled to my opinion and I have often stated Khan offensively is a world class boxer - defenisively and fighting on the back foot he is at best amateurish - and thus matching him if he beats Kotelnik is going to be a very difficult job indeed!!!

Autobarn wrote:

Deserter wrote:

Autobarn wrote:some ppl can only see khan's speed and alleged "style."

what happens to him if he gtes winded by some brutal body shots and slows down?

It's not so much that, it's more that I haven't seen anything in Murray to suggest he's the man to upset the Khan 2.0 model. On the occasions I've watched him he's had an upright style with zero head movement and has seemed far too easy to hit as a result. That coupled with his lack of speed in relative terms makes he think that while Khan will still come unstuck as some point, Murray will not be the man to make this happen.

accuracy, poise, excellent strength and body shots that take the air out of you. these are some of murray's qualities that could lead him to chop down khan.

I've seen nothing to suggest he possesses at least three of those qualities to the level he'd need to make an impact on Khan.

The doubts in his chin gives any genuine Light Welterweight an excellent chance against Khan - yes Murray is not a genuine Light Welterweight and Khan is huge at the weight - therein is Khans biggest chance.

To beat Murray - Khan would have to jump on him from the very first bell and not allow Murray onto his front foot when he is relentless - I honestly do not believe Khan could cope with the intensity or the pressure Murray would bring to the table.

Spud wrote:The doubts in his chin gives any genuine Light Welterweight an excellent chance against Khan - yes Murray is not a genuine Light Welterweight and Khan is huge at the weight - therein is Khans biggest chance.

To beat Murray - Khan would have to jump on him from the very first bell and not allow Murray onto his front foot when he is relentless - I honestly do not believe Khan could cope with the intensity or the pressure Murray would bring to the table.

u must be on crack mate.

Spud wrote:The doubts in his chin gives any genuine Light Welterweight an excellent chance against Khan - yes Murray is not a genuine Light Welterweight and Khan is huge at the weight - therein is Khans biggest chance.

To beat Murray - Khan would have to jump on him from the very first bell and not allow Murray onto his front foot when he is relentless - I honestly do not believe Khan could cope with the intensity or the pressure Murray would bring to the table.

How is Khan a big Light Welter?

Deserter wrote:
I've seen nothing to suggest he possesses at least three of those qualities to the level he'd need to make an impact on Khan.

yaewn. get some fvcking glasses then!

anyway, i don't see this fight happening. it is colin jones KO kirkland laing all over again. but if khan still has contract for wisdom tooth kotelkin, why risk your neck in such as fight? i could see andrew murray - beautiful boxer, no power, career seems to be going nowhere - getting the shot. john murray? nah

Spud wrote:The doubts in his chin gives any genuine Light Welterweight an excellent chance against Khan - yes Murray is not a genuine Light Welterweight and Khan is huge at the weight - therein is Khans biggest chance.

To beat Murray - Khan would have to jump on him from the very first bell and not allow Murray onto his front foot when he is relentless - I honestly do not believe Khan could cope with the intensity or the pressure Murray would bring to the table.

Thing is Spud if Khan jumps on him he is in danger of leaving himself open to counters. Khan is a sharpshooter but I doubt he hits hard enough to blow Murray out early.

I see this as a Khan landslide points victory if he boxes or Murray late in a war of attrition.

Either way very good domestic.

Autobarn wrote:

Deserter wrote:
I've seen nothing to suggest he possesses at least three of those qualities to the level he'd need to make an impact on Khan.

yaewn. get some fvcking glasses then!

anyway, i don't see this fight happening. it is colin jones KO kirkland laing all over again. but if khan still has contract for wisdom tooth kotelkin, why risk your neck in such as fight? i could see andrew murray - beautiful boxer, no power, career seems to be going nowhere - getting the shot. john murray? nah

Bloody Hell. Khan aint Laing and Murray aint Jones THAT IS FOR SURE!

we'll see what both go on to do. maybe the comparison will fit better, or not at all. i'm just bringing up the styles and perhaps similarities in how they can trouble each other. murray-khan would be one of the best domestic clashes, just as jones v laing was.

Autobarn wrote:we'll see what both go on to do. maybe the comparison will fit better, or not at all. i'm just bringing up the styles and perhaps similarities in how they can trouble each other. murray-khan would be one of the best domestic clashes, just as jones v laing was.

Fair enough, point taken.

Imagine Laing or Jones in the mix now at Welter! I reckon Laing would have given Cotto fits.

i think only one brit would give cotto serious problems currently, and only one in the future.

Autobarn wrote:i think only one brit would give cotto serious problems currently, and only one in the future.

who ????

only brits i can think that could give cotto issues are alot heavier...froch/mooresy etc

dont tell me u thought murray could cause that is just stupid

Autobarn wrote:

Deserter wrote:
I've seen nothing to suggest he possesses at least three of those qualities to the level he'd need to make an impact on Khan.

yaewn. get some fvcking glasses then!

I'd prefer not to if they're as rose-tinted as yours

With less than three weeks to go, is this likely (ie is it going to be the case that Murray comes in instead of Kotelnik?) I just can't see it happening.

cant see it cpming off although it would be good if it did

His defence against Barerra was to simply Nut him in the first round. I hope this is true but dont think it is.

Especially after reading http://www.allegedly.tv/drill/News/Ar ... dy123.html

Grays_Dan wrote:His defence against Barerra was to simply Nut him in the first round. I hope this is true but dont think it is.

Especially after reading http://www.allegedly.tv/drill/News/Ar ... dy123.html

Khan didn't nut Barerra

It was an accidental head clash and when you see the class in slow motion it's Barrera head that moves forward towards Khan's

terminator wrote:

Grays_Dan wrote:His defence against Barerra was to simply Nut him in the first round. I hope this is true but dont think it is.

Especially after reading http://www.allegedly.tv/drill/News/Ar ... dy123.html

Khan didn't nut Barerra

It was an accidental head clash and when you see the class in slow motion it's Barrera head that moves forward towards Khan's

khan was still gifted the desision it should have been stopped earlier but they kept it going so it wasnt a draw

True.

And only Don King and Terry Dooley moaned about it.

The rest went "bah, bah".

Adamj1987 wrote: khan was still gifted the desision it should have been stopped earlier but they kept it going so it wasnt a draw

He wasn't "gifted the decision" - The fight was in England, it was not a legit International title fight, merely an international bout. It should have been fought under English rules, which would have made him the winner.

It's surprising how few people mentioned that.

Well, the decision was made not to fight it under BBBofC rules so tough.

The actions of the doctor and the ref stank the joint out.