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Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 02 Aug 2009, 19:25
by Asterix
Terry D wrote:Junior looked aged in there. Despite the injury protest his arms were strong enough to throw the cornerman aside when going over to congratulate his opponent, which was a nice touch BTW.
His arms were fine, imo. His mind was not. I find Junior Witter infuriatingly frustrating when I watch him box. I think that's the reason he hasn't had more fans.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 03:47
by dondada
Ant Evans wrote:Retire, and take his big stupid gob with him. I for one won't miss this horrible little ladyboy lookalike at all.
Paydays out there for him? He can't even get on British TV for WBC title fights!
Yes, that's when he was the champ. Bit different when you're an 'opponent' though.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 03:48
by dondada
charlieb wrote:
...If he can afford to retire, he should retire.
If he could, I'd totally agree with you Charlie. I think he's miles away from that.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 04:09
by banjo
Not being funny but I bet Witter got paid more than any of us do in a year for that useless effort the other night, not as if he's strapped for cash is it?
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 04:15
by dondada
banjo wrote:Not being funny but I bet Witter got paid more than any of us do in a year for that useless effort the other night, not as if he's strapped for cash is it?
Oh aye, you're right there. I just think that ANY boxer who has operated at his level for the amount of time he has should be able to retire if they want. Not many can, mind.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 06:27
by DG.
REAL_DEAL wrote:No chance hatton still wouldn't want to give junior a pay day and box office and american tv if they wanted to show hatton wouldn't be interested in it.
Hatton better nt fight Witter - Hatton can not tke a punch anymore and Witter would knock his arse out.
Not wantng to give Witter a payday? Hatton gives no one a pay day, we pay HIM and the opponent.
Witter might get an Amir Khan fight - but have t watch the video of the Alexanbder fight to be sure if Witter would win.
Witter will fight on, no way does he want to go out into the work force and do a 9-5.
I hope Witter lands a Khan fight even it if means leaving Hennessy.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 07:25
by Dioufy
Say what you want about Hatton, but at least he showed massive heart in every fight, from Magee to Collazo - Mayweather even admitted that Hatton was one of the most determined fighters he had faced after shipping loads of clean counters. Witter quitting in a world title fight is pathetic. No heart. I look at Cotto's eye against Clottey, Hatton after three rounds vs Maussa and Williams vs Potter, plus millions more, and that's heart. After all the talk, Witter quits. I wanted him to win, but he's now living in the bed he made.
Never quit in a world title fight, unless he's an amazingly bad injury.
Hope McCloskey knocks him out.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:09
by jamesmcdonnell
DG. wrote:REAL_DEAL wrote:No chance hatton still wouldn't want to give junior a pay day and box office and american tv if they wanted to show hatton wouldn't be interested in it.
Hatton better nt fight Witter - Hatton can not tke a punch anymore and Witter would knock his arse out.
Not wantng to give Witter a payday? Hatton gives no one a pay day, we pay HIM and the opponent.
Witter might get an Amir Khan fight - but have t watch the video of the Alexanbder fight to be sure if Witter would win.
Witter will fight on, no way does he want to go out into the work force and do a 9-5.
I hope Witter lands a Khan fight even it if means leaving Hennessy.
Hatton would batter witter if they fought now. What would Junior do to keep Hatton off, he throws about five punches a round.
Hatton has been starched by Pacquaio and Mayweather, both men are all time greats, Witter is a minor belt holder with some ability, but who has always had some major flaws. Khan's win over Kotelnik recently puts Witter's level of ability into perspective. Khan Beat Kotelnik by a wide margin, with far less experience than Junior, and having never fought at 147. Witter almost lost the fight after throwing away almost half the fight doing nothing.
Hatton's punch resistance may have deteriorated, but just because Pacquaio banged him out, don't make the mistake of thinking Junior would do the same. When has Junior ever knocked out anyone of world class?
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:15
by DavidPayne
When was the last time Ricky Hatton didn't struggle with a Southpaw?
Witter is over the hill, but no more than Hatton.
Perhpa we'll have Fenech v Nelsonesque fight in another decade.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:46
by DG.
Hatton did not even compete with Pacman or Mayweather - he lost easily bith times.
Because you share a ring with the elite does not make you elite, especially when you are crushed.
So far it seems Witter had a real breakdown in the ring - maybe he quit? I wil watch the tape and decide.
If he quit it is not a good sign, go out on your shield, imo!
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:50
by Dioufy
Having watched it, he quit.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:51
by DavidPayne
Could anyone make a case that Ricky Hatton did better with Floyd Mayweather than Michael Jennings did with Miguel Cotto?
Could anyone make a case that Ricky Hatton did better with Manny Pac than Junior Witter would have done?
Nope. Flat square no from me.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:52
by hitman_hatton1
DG. wrote:Hatton did not even compete with Pacman or Mayweather - he lost easily bith times.
Because you share a ring with the elite does not make you elite, especially when you are crushed.
So far it seems Witter had a real breakdown in the ring - maybe he quit? I wil watch the tape and decide.
If he quit it is not a good sign, go out on your shield, imo!
he put up a fight against mayweather.
he was ultimately outclassed.
but to say he didn't compete that night is a Dennis comment tbh.
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Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:53
by jamesmcdonnell
DavidPayne wrote:Could anyone make a case that Ricky Hatton did better with Floyd Mayweather than Michael Jennings did with Miguel Cotto?
Could anyone make a case that Ricky Hatton did better with Manny Pac than Junior Witter would have done?
Nope. Flat square no from me.
No not really.
But can anyone confirm that they don't think hatton would have made a better go of it against Zab Judah, and wouldn't have quite against Alexander?
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:54
by DavidPayne
Give Hatton one more fight against someone with a pulse and you'll see someone quit between rounds. I almost guarantee it.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:55
by hitman_hatton1
DavidPayne wrote:Could anyone make a case that Ricky Hatton did better with Floyd Mayweather than Michael Jennings did with Miguel Cotto?
oh come on.
hatton was in there pitching for 6 or 7 rds.
american tv even had it level after 6 i believe.
jennings was beaten easily and out of sight.

Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:58
by DavidPayne
Michael Jennings would have gone 8-10 rounds with Mayweather.
I've been drinking though.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 08:59
by DavidPayne
Terry.
He will be overwhelmed by the "I don't want to be here" factor, cut, busted up and old.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:00
by jamesmcdonnell
DavidPayne wrote:Give Hatton one more fight against someone with a pulse and you'll see someone quit between rounds. I almost guarantee it.
I'll be he will be rescued by the ref before he quits.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:04
by banjo
hitman_hatton1 wrote:DavidPayne wrote:Could anyone make a case that Ricky Hatton did better with Floyd Mayweather than Michael Jennings did with Miguel Cotto?
oh come on.
hatton was in there pitching for 6 or 7 rds.
american tv even had it level after 6 i believe.
jennings was beaten easily and out of sight.

American TV(especially HBO) despise Floyd Mayweather Jr.
I gave Hatton 1 round, can't remember which one and to be fair there were some close ones but at the time of the KO Mayweather really had turned on the style and would have beaten Hatton quite clear on points anyway, he gave it his best shot and got beaten, he won't be the last fighter to be like that either.
The going out on the shield thing is a load of nonsense anyway, it's like when Oscar quit against Manny, what could Oscar have done? He was clearly getting weaker and Manny was getting more and more ferocious, it's just pissing into the wind really isn't it.
Witter on the other hand did a "Duran" he quit in a fight which was still up for grabs, only difference is Duran redeemed himself whereas Witter won't.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:06
by Dioufy
I think I gave him round 1 and round 5, but don't quote me on that.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:11
by DG.
hitman_hatton1 wrote:DG. wrote:Hatton did not even compete with Pacman or Mayweather - he lost easily bith times.
Because you share a ring with the elite does not make you elite, especially when you are crushed.
So far it seems Witter had a real breakdown in the ring - maybe he quit? I wil watch the tape and decide.
If he quit it is not a good sign, go out on your shield, imo!
he put up a fight against mayweather.
he was ultimately outclassed.
but to say he didn't compete that night is a Dennis comment tbh.
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Did he even land 5 punches the whle fight?
He did not compete, edward!

Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:12
by Counter-puncher
Dioufy wrote:I think I gave him round 1 and round 5, but don't quote me on that.
about 2 rounds 1 early 1 middleish sounds right. but i was quite drunk and very tired.
Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:13
by Dioufy
Counter-puncher wrote:Dioufy wrote:I think I gave him round 1 and round 5, but don't quote me on that.
about 2 rounds 1 early 1 middleish sounds right. but i was quite drunk and very tired.
So was I, but I remember being jolted wide awake and sober when Hatton pushed Mayweather back with that jab in round 1 - looking back though, it looked like a balance thing, but when it happened....

Re: What now for Junior Witter?
Posted: 03 Aug 2009, 09:14
by DG.
DavidPayne wrote:Give Hatton one more fight against someone with a pulse and you'll see someone quit between rounds. I almost guarantee it.
Exactly!
Witter lost 2 fast hungry younger guys, Hatton would not quit, he would be ktfo!
Hatton would never fight a hungry fighter yet alone a hungry younger one - he didn't in his prime why would he now?
