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Wales wrote:this is the shot to pieces version of Danny Williams, no ehart, no desire and everything looks, well, gone, going or never there.

bit of respect due for danny i think, yes, shot to bits now, but...brought a lot of excitement to the table over the years, far more talent and heart than many men who went onto become world champion.

one armed comeback v potter

one minute distruction of kali meehan

KO of tyson

big hearted effort v klitschko

KO of that ? german chap in the fight where the bell was rung by the promoter.

all in all danny was very inconsistent (the occasional stink-fest), never knew what danny would turn up on the night...... but..... to suggest he was 'never there' .. is, in my opinion, an insult to a warrior who brought excitement many times. truly lovely guy too.

rhino222 wrote:

Wales wrote:this is the shot to pieces version of Danny Williams, no ehart, no desire and everything looks, well, gone, going or never there.

bit of respect due for danny i think, yes, shot to bits now, but...brought a lot of excitement to the table over the years, far more talent and heart than many men who went onto become world champion.

one armed comeback v potter

one minute distruction of kali meehan

KO of tyson

big hearted effort v klitschko

KO of that ? german chap in the fight where the bell was rung by the promoter.

all in all danny was very inconsistent (the occasional stink-fest), never knew what danny would turn up on the night...... but..... to suggest he was 'never there' .. is, in my opinion, an insult to a warrior who brought excitement many times. truly lovely guy too.

Danny IS a LEGEND !!!!

rhino222 wrote:

Wales wrote:this is the shot to pieces version of Danny Williams, no ehart, no desire and everything looks, well, gone, going or never there.

bit of respect due for danny i think, yes, shot to bits now, but...brought a lot of excitement to the table over the years, far more talent and heart than many men who went onto become world champion.

one armed comeback v potter

one minute distruction of kali meehan

KO of tyson

big hearted effort v klitschko

KO of that ? german chap in the fight where the bell was rung by the promoter.

all in all danny was very inconsistent (the occasional stink-fest), never knew what danny would turn up on the night...... but..... to suggest he was 'never there' .. is, in my opinion, an insult to a warrior who brought excitement many times. truly lovely guy too.

You misread rhino, I said the skills displayed against Mcdermott looked "gone, going or never there" I was referring to the skills that make up a boxer, and not insinuating Danny never had them. I said everything looks "gone, going or never there".

they were clearly gone or going as a "prime" danny williams would of dispatched John with relative ease.

I feel that Danny punches far harder than Fury, and thats the Danny nowadays.
John still took some big shots off Danny, i'd agree the pace wasn't the hottest, but John didn't blow out after his big assault in the 1st fight, and going 12 rounds against anyone proves stamina.
remember Fury was blowing quite hard in his last fight, and that was a stroll in the park type fight

Wales wrote:Fury isnt rubbish at all. Who was the last ehavyweight produced in the UK to swathe through opponents like Fury? You might not like him, and he might not be the second coming of Ali, but its totally unfair to call a 21 year old 7 fight novice 'rubbish'. Especially considering his opponents to date, and the manner of which they've been dispatched. John Mcdermott in his 8th (is it??) fight?

Also, agree with James. Everyone talks of John Mcdermotts stamina after going 24 rounds in his last 2 fights with Danny Williams... come on... this is the shot to pieces version of Danny Williams, no ehart, no desire and everything looks, well, gone, going or never there.

Didn't Skelton cut through 10 heavyweights in 10 months? So I'll happily compare Fury to Skelton if you wish. But I don't think its unfair to call him rubbish. Anyone who puts themselves up on a pedestal is asking for people to have pop.

Fury's opponents have been out of shape and cannon fodder. I don't care about their supposedly accumalative winning records. The last guy was a disgrace and Ellis was even worse.

On one hand you congratulate Fury for taking on McDermott in his 8th fight yet in the next you mention that he couldn't get Williams out of their who showed no heart, desire and looked gone.

I congratulate Fury for taking on Mcdermot in his 8th fight because we rarely see prospect fight guys with winning records, let alone english champions and british title challengers (that arent shot) until they're well into their teens (fight wise). Fury also has virtually no senior amateur experience.

You mentioned Skeltons 10 heavyweights in 10 months, then you say "I dont want to compare winning records" - that is where the comparison there would, i'd imagine without cheking, fall down.

Furys opponents have been cannon fodder? I think he's fought really good fighters for the time he is at in his career, each time building on the alst fight and learning a little bit more, be it experience or skills.

I dont mention he couldnt get williams out of there, I mention the fact people talk about STAMINA yet fail to mention the fighter Mcdermott went these magical 24 rounds with is a shot Danny Williams.

Old bones Ian wrote:I feel that Danny punches far harder than Fury, and thats the Danny nowadays.
John still took some big shots off Danny, i'd agree the pace wasn't the hottest, but John didn't blow out after his big assault in the 1st fight, and going 12 rounds against anyone proves stamina.
remember Fury was blowing quite hard in his last fight, and that was a stroll in the park type fight

The trouble is, Danny rarely lands a clean flush shot any more, because his balance has gone. He has immense physical strength, which means he can still club people into submission, but he is not the brixton bomber of old.

Yes, McDermott has good stamina for a big lad, but Fury will apply a lot more pressure and certainly will move a lot more than the immovable object that williams has become.

I like Fury and McDermot for different reasons. I like Fury because he's young and seems to have all the right skills and his fights are always exciting. You also think that he's not actually going to get a knock out and then he comes back and smashes his oppenent down to the canvas.

I like McDermot because he's a good old fashioned style bruiser who never gives up and seems to be a nice guy. I think that if he was with a different trainer or even promotor he may of done a bit better as well.

I think overall Fury will win a harder fought fight than he expected but end up stopping McDermot in the middle rounds. Fury's speed should get the better of Big John.

I think it's great to see a heavyweight boxer with some attitude and confidence early in his career and also prepared to take people on and have plenty of fights even if he isn't that fit. It shows that he's got lots of desire to do well and not just be in it for the money, there's too many boxers around nowdays that are like that.

Danny Williams is shot to pieces. It's only because McDermott is even worse that he's still British champion. He was struggling against Sosnowski before taking that massive shot, and two close wins over the human doughnut doesn't convince me he has much left.

Fury and Chisora could take him now, IMO.

1southpaw wrote:why would fury want to fight for the english title when he goes on about being irish all the time

Fury is English.
He only chased the Irish citizenship to try and blag himself a spot in Beijing last Summer seeing as price was Britains number 1.
They couldn't prove his Irish"ness", and that takes some doing considering many a footballer over the past has "qualified" for Ireland based on the fact they used to know someone who went there on holiday once!

I fancy Big John to be pullled out around the 7th round. Fury will catch him with too many shots and will be way up at that stage.

Mcdermot is a good opponent on paper.

but his two defeats to popov and skelton are the most significant. hes very hollow boned and tyson will be able to throw him around with relative ease

Two things are for sure in this matchup - Big Bad John will be very big, and very bad.

Fury by stoppage in 4.

Riddick Blowe wrote:Two things are for sure in this matchup - Big Bad John will be very big, and very bad.

Fury by stoppage in 4.

I'm wondering whether to go as I've watched a few shows at the Brentwood Centre in the past, its only 20mins away from me. That was in my pre-wheelchair days, I assume there would be facilites for me, perhaps I could get in cheaper, afterall I would bring my own seat!

Well IMO Fury is a big nothing, weird shape, big mouth and can't be bothered to train properly. He has been fed no marks and will end up in a heap as soon as he meets someone who can punch (it happened before - no names, no pack drill!). John could well flatten him and shut up that mouth - which would mean a big relief from the endless BS pressers. Bring on Mr Price Hayemaker.

I think Fury will completely overwhelm McDermott to be honest. The hard body shots and workrate will be too much for the podgy Londonder. I can see it going Fury's way in about 3 rounds; not to disimilar to the way Skelton dealt with Big John.

funso banjo baby wrote:
but his two defeats to popov and skelton are the most significant.

Popov was 10-0 at the time and fight was Stopped coz John broke his Ankle getting 44 pins in it..
He should of never been in with Skelton that night....

I Rate Fury but think this fight has come a Year to soon.

Forgot about that ankle incident, that was nasty.

Yeah i remember that Mcdermott had Popov against the ropes and tried unloading a few shots on him, but got caught by a big left hook, he went down and kind of looked shocked, but when he got up his ankle was gone, replays were painful to watch.

he's done well to come back from that.

MALONEY’S FURY AT TYSON
FRANK MALONEY has lashed out at rent-a-quote motormouth Tyson Fury.
FTM promoted John McDermott defends his English heavyweight title against the unbeaten pretender at the Brentwood Centre on Friday September 11.
Fury, unbeaten in seven fights has criticised the quality of heavyweight boxing on Maloney bills, but the promoter reckons the mouthy Mancunian must be suffering from amnesia.
Maloney said: “Perhaps Fury had a hard spar that day when he made those comments, and I’ll forgive him if he did.
“I would say my track record with heavyweights is better than anybody in British boxing.
“My work with Lennox Lewis is there for all to see and I helped discover Nikolai Valuev and John Ruiz – one great world champion and two decent ones.
“They aren’t bad fighters to have on your bills. Let’s be honest Fury wouldn’t have been allowed in the same city as Lennox, let alone ring!
“Domestically I got Julius Francis paydays, Fury can only dream of. I wonder if Tyson’s connections will do the same.”
And Maloney reckons Fury should be more worried about his own promoter, Mick Hennessy than what quality he has served up.
Maloney added: “Fury should worry for the future, because it is rumoured Mick will lose his TV deal at the end of the year.
“And if Mick had such belief in him, why did he get blown out of the water by me in the purse bids for this fight?
“Fury and Mick are quick to tell the world he is the greatest heavyweight hope in the world, but he obviously can’t be that valued because he is the away fighter in his first title fight.”
“Before Tyson starts telling everyone he is the best, he wants to prove he is the top heavyweight in the north-west.
“Didn’t David Price school him as an amateur or am I suffering from amnesia?”
McDermott (25-5) won the English crown with a sensational two round blast out of Pele Reid in April 2008 and will be making his first defence
In the chief support a battle of little big men sees St Helens Gary Davies (9-2-1) risks his British bantamweight title against Ian Napa (18-7).
Tickets for the show priced £90 (ringside) and £35 (body of the hall) are available from www.frankmaloney.com and 0871 226 1508. There is a discount for those who buy from the web.

I just went on Wikipedia to find out with the 'T' stands for in FTM, but all I found out was that Frank Maloney is a UKIP politician and once said, "I don't want to campaign around gays...I don't think they do a lot for society...what I have a problem with is them openly flaunting their sexuality."

Not very good PR. In fact, positively awful.

FtmPress wrote:MALONEY’S FURY AT TYSON
FRANK MALONEY has lashed out at rent-a-quote motormouth Tyson Fury.
FTM promoted John McDermott defends his English heavyweight title against the unbeaten pretender at the Brentwood Centre on Friday September 11.
Fury, unbeaten in seven fights has criticised the quality of heavyweight boxing on Maloney bills, but the promoter reckons the mouthy Mancunian must be suffering from amnesia.
Maloney said: “Perhaps Fury had a hard spar that day when he made those comments, and I’ll forgive him if he did.
“I would say my track record with heavyweights is better than anybody in British boxing.
“My work with Lennox Lewis is there for all to see and I helped discover Nikolai Valuev and John Ruiz – one great world champion and two decent ones.
“They aren’t bad fighters to have on your bills. Let’s be honest Fury wouldn’t have been allowed in the same city as Lennox, let alone ring!
“Domestically I got Julius Francis paydays, Fury can only dream of. I wonder if Tyson’s connections will do the same.”
And Maloney reckons Fury should be more worried about his own promoter, Mick Hennessy than what quality he has served up.
Maloney added: “Fury should worry for the future, because it is rumoured Mick will lose his TV deal at the end of the year.
“And if Mick had such belief in him, why did he get blown out of the water by me in the purse bids for this fight?
“Fury and Mick are quick to tell the world he is the greatest heavyweight hope in the world, but he obviously can’t be that valued because he is the away fighter in his first title fight.”
“Before Tyson starts telling everyone he is the best, he wants to prove he is the top heavyweight in the north-west.
“Didn’t David Price school him as an amateur or am I suffering from amnesia?”
McDermott (25-5) won the English crown with a sensational two round blast out of Pele Reid in April 2008 and will be making his first defence
In the chief support a battle of little big men sees St Helens Gary Davies (9-2-1) risks his British bantamweight title against Ian Napa (18-7).
Tickets for the show priced £90 (ringside) and £35 (body of the hall) are available from http://www.frankmaloney.com and 0871 226 1508. There is a discount for those who buy from the web.

Very good points, why did his own promoter, Mick Hennessy not win the bid

The usual story of short arms and deep pockets, why did Froch as the new champion have to fight in his opponents back yard without any telly.
Saying that he has had regular work and a lot of press, just imagine how you would feel if you were David Price!

Asterix wrote:I just went on Wikipedia to find out with the 'T' stands for in FTM, but all I found out was that Frank Maloney is a UKIP politician and once said, "I don't want to campaign around gays...I don't think they do a lot for society...what I have a problem with is them openly flaunting their sexuality."

Not very good PR. In fact, positively awful.

If that is true then Dioufy - HitmanHAtton1 and Spud willl have Franks guts!

Dioufy and Hitmanhatton1 do a lot in society, none of it good though.

Coco wrote:The usual story of short arms and deep pockets, why did Froch as the new champion have to fight in his opponents back yard without any telly.
Saying that he has had regular work and a lot of press, just imagine how you would feel if you were David Price!