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BoxBuzz wrote:

If what you are insinuating is true, then no one has ever received this "gift" as you would call it in any other event in history. Is this what you believe? Please answer the question.

No buzz.

I asked the question.

And you can't answer it.

HOW MANY FIGHTS CAN YOU NAME.....?

where a fighter who was knocked down at the VERY END of a round

got EXTRA TIME between rounds beyond the legitimate one minute between rounds

in the break immediately after the round he was knocked down in?

"NO BUZZ" is your answer? That does not seem very thoughtful.


Actually you'll need to go back and read my answer again.

You are not satisfied with my answer as being "non descript" and that is what you are trying to say. So I'll say it for you.

But I did give an answer.

So with your question answered, now answer mine.

Do you believe that to be the only time in boxing history that such events have transpired?

And just how many seconds to you count that were "gifted"?

Buzz cannot answer the simple question which thread is based on.

And he never will.

Because there is only ONE answer.

And that answer does not fit with the Agenda of the worshippers at The Religion of Ali.

Poor buzz.

Well if it is true and authentic that this is the first time and only time that an event of this nature has ever occurred in the history of the sport then as I mentioned before this is an interesting fact even if moot.

You now have clearly made that assertion. So time will tell if you are indeed correct, and then IF there is truly only ONE answer as you claim, you sir will have the honor of "being correct". For the moment I remain skeptical.

Answer the question, buzz:

HOW MANY FIGHTS CAN YOU NAME.....?

where a fighter who was knocked down at the VERY END of a round

got EXTRA TIME between rounds beyond the legitimate one minute between rounds

in the break immediately after the round he was knocked down in?

Well I did answer the question with a "non descript" bout that I have seen. So unless I'm lying or am given to hallucinations I think this has happened.

You seem to be saying I'm wrong, I accept that, and since I can't name the principals you have the current high ground.

And until someone can come up with another similar event you will have the high and prestigious honor of "being correct" on this matter. At least within our little forum.

But didnt' we already cover this?

Named earlier in this thread:

Cribb vs Molineaux I.

coggi-gonzalez I.

Cintron-Martinez

So others besides myself have seen such things, and they could remember the principals in the affairs. So unless they are lying or hallucinating you will not have the honor of being "correct" in your assertion. I'm pretty sure none of these fights are the one I'm referring to so there is at least a fifth floating around out there when you add Cooper Clay. My guess? And it's just a guess is that there are far more than this. What's your guess?

You did say there was ONLY ONE answer didn't you?

I guess poor old deluded miscreant granberry is wrong as usual.

There is no fight other than this one, except in the world of the Thomas Hauserites.

Grasping at bare knuckle fights which were not under Queenberry rules is a sorry attempt.

All this has been gone over earlier in this thread.

Give it up buzz.


Ali got extra time between rounds JUST AFTER HE WAS KNOCKED DOWN at the very end of the round.

Like the much of his career, that has the stench of raw sewage,

except of course to the devout parishioners of The Religion of Ali.

Point:
It was not a singular event. Not the first or last time someone has used some sort of a ploy for some sort of gain/advantage.

Would you agree?

An 'event' with the stench of raw sewage of this sort was definitely not a 'singular' event in Ali career.

I know you see it that way.

Coggi-Gonzalez I.

Cintron-Martinez

These are not bare knuckle fights.

Don't you know intense emotion clouds judgement? Not that I think Ali cares.

Your question has been answered several times in this post, but again, you don't want to hear that, do you?

A question for you? Why are you so upset with this man, that you feel the need to make threads asking questions, which you know the answer but as proven, there are other answers and examples too?

It doesnt actually do you any favours.

Just sayin'

BoxBuzz wrote:I know you see it that way.

Have you been whining to that nonce AntonS again, Bobby?

Hey Collie, we all see things through that unique perspective we call our own. Another's opinion does not bother me. And sometimes I like to engage with the more exotic opinions. I'm not trying to make you or him angry but apparently failing. And I thought I was just making casual conversation...who knew?

bengulnaci1 wrote:Coggi-Gonzalez I.

Cintron-Martinez

These are not bare knuckle fights.

Don't you know intense emotion clouds judgement? Not that I think Ali cares.

Your question has been answered several times in this post, but again, you don't want to hear that, do you?

A question for you? Why are you so upset with this man, that you feel the need to make threads asking questions, which you know the answer but as proven, there are other answers and examples too?

It doesnt actually do you any favours.

Just sayin'

You are wrong, as expected.

In Coggi-Gonzalez I they declared rounds over early.

That's not what happened when 185 pound Henry Cooper flattened Ali with a single left hook in the very fight before Ali was supposedly able to beat Sonny Liston.

LOL

http://cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/sho ... php?t=4278

There was no extra time between rounds in the Cintron fight---only a disputed count.

But you've always got bare knuckle fights that didn't follow Queesnberry rules to fall back on.

Meanwhile nothing can lift the stench emanating from the Cooper-Ali farce.

granberry wrote:You are wrong, as expected.

In Coggi-Gonzalez I they declared rounds over early.

That's not what happened when 185 pound Henry Cooper flattened Ali with a single left hook in the very fight before Ali was supposedly able to beat Sonny Liston.

LOL

http://cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/sho ... php?t=4278

There was no extra time between rounds in the Cintron fight---only a disputed count.

But you've always got bare knuckle fights that didn't follow Queesnberry rules to fall back on.

Meanwhile nothing can lift the stench emanating from the Cooper-Ali farce.

In fact, Coggi-Gonzalez I, Cintron-Martinez - Those 2 incidents are actually worse than anything Ali was ever involved in.

Funny how you focus on Ali's boxings controversies, but not the far more blatant, extreme and wonderful that litter the sports history, hmmmm.

Futhermore dismissing bareknuckle fights, when your own question asks' How many fights can you name.....' is hypocrytical. Why not include those, seeing as your own question asks it? I sense an alteria motive here, oh well :)

And finally, Ali got 4-5 seconds extra, What was Cooper going to do with those seconds? Not alot.

http://dustbowlbluez.blogspot.com/2009/ ... ey_24.html

Me pointing this out to you again is not going to change anything in your mind, is it?

bengulnaci1 wrote:

granberry wrote:You are wrong, as expected.

In Coggi-Gonzalez I they declared rounds over early.

That's not what happened when 185 pound Henry Cooper flattened Ali with a single left hook in the very fight before Ali was supposedly able to beat Sonny Liston.

LOL

http://cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/sho ... php?t=4278

There was no extra time between rounds in the Cintron fight---only a disputed count.

But you've always got bare knuckle fights that didn't follow Queesnberry rules to fall back on.

Meanwhile nothing can lift the stench emanating from the Cooper-Ali farce.

In fact, Coggi-Gonzalez I, Cintron-Martinez - Those 2 incidents are actually worse than anything Ali was ever involved in. Funny how you focus on some of boxings controversies, but not others, hmmmm.

Futhermore dismissing bareknuckle fights, when your own question asks' How many fights can you name.....' is hypocrytical. Why not include those, seeing as your own questions asks it? I sense an alteria motive here, oh well :)

And finally, I'll repeat it again, Ali got 2 seconds extra, as verified by the timekeeper and the referee. What was Cooper going to do with those 2 seconds? Not alot.

Me pointing this out to you again is not going to change anything in your mind, is it?

Why do you BELIEVE he got 2 seconds?

Do you have ulterior motives?

LOL

None of the fights you and other member of the Religion of Ali posting here have 'cited' fit as answers to the question asked on this thread.

When you have to resort to ad hominem attacks you only demonstrate you have no leg to stand on.

Hold on tight to that 'two seconds.'

And remember, Ali 'beat' Jimmy Young.

LOL

And the Liston 'fights' were not fakes.

LOL

And remember, Cleaveland Williams was only shot at point blank range in the stomach for two seconds.

I don't credir Ali for beating Cat Williams because he was sick but it is interesting he fought six more years. I also don't credit Ali for beating the Old Mongoose because he was well , old. The same way an intellectually honest person would take into consideration Ali's age and poor conditioning in his fight with Jimmy Young.

As far as Liston, he was old, slow, and out of it. Ali just beat the tar out of him. Who know what happened in the second fight? Perhaps Old Man Liston didn't want another beating.



THATONE

Nice swerve away from the questions I asked:

Funny how you focus on Ali's boxings controversies, but not the far more blatant, extreme and wonderful that litter the sports history, hmmmm.


Futhermore dismissing bareknuckle fights, when your own question asks' How many fights can you name.....' is hypocrytical. Why not include those, seeing as your own question asks it? I sense an 'ulterior motive' here
(fixed the spelling, don't say I dont read what you say :) )

And finally, Ali got 4-5 seconds extra, What was Cooper going to do with those seconds? Not alot.
(I did actually correct myself, here - as per the facts)

And finally, the coup de grace:

http://dustbowlbluez.blogspot.com/2009/ ... ey_24.html

Now, I gave you answers, whether you agree with them or not. Your turn.

PS This is not some sort of 'Ali Crusade'. You obviously dislike Ali, which is your choice, for whatever reason. However you seem obliged to rant, and in my opinion, and I qoute, 'without a leg to stand on'. Why?

PPS Before you reply, as i am sure you will, re-read my post, answer my questions, if you can.

The devout members of The Religion of Ali reister their agony at having the light shone on the deity they grovel for.

HOW MANY SECONDS ?

Well later Ali gave ol' 'enry another shot.....but it didn't turn out well for Henry. So a bit of fuss for not much traction.

So what have we learned? 5 seconds that could have changed history? Probably not. But we will never know.

Since we are here to ask clever questions, Ali beat EVERY fighter than ever deposited him to the canvas. How many fighters can we name that have done that? (There are a few I believe but not a lot.) Dempsey or Frazier can not claim this unless gran knows something I don't.

granberry wrote:The devout members of The Religion of Ali reister their agony at having the light shone on the deity they grovel for.

5 Seconds and it didn't make a difference LOL

http://dustbowlbluez.blogspot.com/2009/ ... ey_24.html

Oh dear, couldn't answer these simple questions

You failed on all accounts, bad thread, bad effort at trolling and a total failure in replying to any questions posed.

'I'm still not getting any answers

LOL'

Sounds familiar? Hypocrite?

Ali has respect, in the boxing community, the masses and this is what really bugs you. You resent people for this

Oh well, live with it because thats just the way it is. Life's a bitch like that.

PS Collins can continue the banter you guys have, as atleast you reply to his posts DD

LOL

bengul,

It is a puzzle to people in boxing why Ali's reputation is so overblown.

As Georgie Benton used to say to me over and over,

"The guy's just another fighter."

But of course you know more about boxing than Georgie Benton.

After all, you post on boxrec.

At last, a sensible answer.

Many boxing people know where to place Ali in the history books, the majority would look at his achievements favourably. By that, I do not mean 'The Greatest' - Are they all 'polluted' by this 'Religion of Ali'?

So you and George Benton did not rate Ali. That's fine and dandy.

Eddie Futch did, Cus D'Amato did, for example.

By that logic it must mean that you know more about boxing than they ever did, as you post here too, correct?

Horses for course, my friend.